If a Christian...

what is your view and take on Angel numbers?
..............confused dunno
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Angels are male messengers that is all they are............wave
That is a psychologically interesting comment. Where in the Bible do you find text even implying God made all of his Angels to be male or even a limit to how many he made? While it is conceded that the 4 seraphim and cherubim named in the Bible are male names, nothing suggests those 4 are a complete list of all of the Angels. We could perhaps discourse about the angels named in The Book of Enoch, or the Book of Jubilee texts or even the Yakizi texts, but those are not Christian Bible texts, nor do they imply all angels are male. Let us note that the true purpose of the Biblical flood was to eliminate the Nephilim offspring from the planet and not only did this attempt fail but the FEMALE wife of one of Noah's children escaped the flood with Noah and his brood and later bore multiple children. The simple fact that angels found teh daughters of man to be fair and mated with them implies the existence of female angels or else there would have been no purpose to God giving them a sex organ. Further we know nothing of angel culture and just because we assume Azrael or Zaqiel are males (for whatever twisted psychological reason on our part) does not mean they are. In all of the texts there is room for both female cherubim and female seraphim. Only a misogynist would assume otherwise.

Regarding Angel numbers, as some forms of superstition became less believable in the 20th century the concept of Lucky Numbers fell out of vogue and around 1980 began to be replaced by the term Angel Number. Both have similar meaning but the name change makes the concept sound more likable. Find your 'magical' angel number and always play it at the lottery and your magical angel spirit will make you rich. Yeah, sure.

Neither concept name has any basis in either the Bible, the Torah or the Holy Quran, or even in fact. Chaos rules the Universe and without Chaos, entropy and a very careful balance of the two the thermonuclear reactions that light our sun and every other star in the Universe could not occur and the Universe would be a very cold place indeed.


Angels are not male or female in the way that humans understand and experience gender. But whenever angels are mentioned in the Bible, the word translated “angel” is always used in the masculine form. Also, when angels appeared to people in the Bible, they were always seen as men. And when they were given names, the names were always masculine.


The Hebrew and Greek word for angel is always male.

The Greek word angelos and the Hebrew word ???????? (malak) are both masculine nouns translated “angel,” meaning a messenger from God (Strong’s 32 and 4397).

“Praise the LORD, you his angels , you mighty ones who do his bidding, who obey his word.” (Psalm 103:20)

“Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels , numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they were saying: ‘Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!’” (Revelation 5:11-12)
When angels appeared to people in the Bible, they were always seen as men.

Two angels appeared as men when they ate at Lot’s house in Sodom in Genesis 19:1-22 and sent him and his family away before destroying the city.

“The angel of the LORD” told Samson’s mother she would have a son. She described the angel to her husband as “a man of God” in Judges 13.

An “angel of the Lord” appeared as a man described as “like lighting, and his clothes were white as snow” (Matthew 28:3). This angel rolled back stone in front of Jesus’ tomb in Matthew 28.
When they were given names, the names were always masculine.

The only named angels in the Bible are Gabriel and Michael.

Michael was mentioned first in Daniel 10:13, then in Daniel 21, Jude 9, and Revelation 12:7-8.

Gabriel was mentioned in Daniel 8:12, Daniel 9:21 in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Gabriel announced John the Baptist’s birth to Zechariah in Luke 1, then Jesus’ birth to Mary later in Luke 1.
Two Women with Wings in Zechariah
Some read the prophecy in Zechariah 5:5-11 and interpret the two women with wings as female angels.

“Then the angel who was speaking to me came forward and said to me, ‘Look up and see what is appearing.’ I asked, ‘What is it?’ He replied, ‘It is a basket.’ And he added, ‘This is the iniquity of the people throughout the land.’ Then the cover of lead was raised, and there in the basket sat a woman! He said, ‘This is wickedness,’ and he pushed her back into the basket and pushed its lead cover down on it. Then I looked up—and there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth. ‘Where are they taking the basket?’ I asked the angel who was speaking to me. He replied, ‘To the country of Babylonia to build a house for it. When the house is ready, the basket will be set there in its place” (Zechariah 5:5-11).


The angel talking with the prophet Zechariah is described with the masculine word malak and masculine pronouns. However, confusion arises when, in the prophecy, two women with wings fly away with the basket of wickedness. The women are described with wings of a stork (an unclean bird), but not called angels. As this is a prophecy full of imagery, readers are not required to take the metaphors literally. This prophecy conveys imagery of Israel’s unrepentant sin and its consequences

As the Cambridge commentary puts it, “No meaning need be sought for the details of this verse. They merely convey the fact, clothed in imagery in keeping with the vision, that wickedness was borne swiftly from the land.”
I think that is a mistake a lot of Bible interpreters have made through the centuries. I suspect that instead of theological imagery some of the Old Testament texts were attempts (distorted probably by the o*al tradition father to son pass down method used by Hebrews before the Torah became a written document) to physically describe actual things and events for which their language had no words. However as our technology has advanced a lot of the things presumed by many to be fanciful imaginings or fables can be matched today to things we know about now. Consider the Tabernacle and it's description and use. The importance of lead sheeting on the uniforms of the maintenance worker priests from the Levite tribe (so similar to the lead apron worn by a modern X Ray technician), the use of a Candelabra (made of lead in those days) hammered flat and used to plug the hole in the Ark, the maintaining of a n 800 Meter (2,000 Cubits) distance of the Ark from the people when in transit, The Tabernacle exclusion area, etc.
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We have words for much that is in the Bible's Old Testament. The Ancients did not. We understand a lot of it and how some things described would work (not all yet, but a lot of it). Nothing magical, just more advanced than the easily fooled goat herders were. So maybe Zachariah was being pictoral, or maybe he was describing exactly what he saw. You can call them Angels, you can call them Houri, you can call them sisters of Isis/Ishtar/Aphrodite What he saw had been seen by others and the winged women were a known thing long before the time of old Zachariah.

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See also Exodus 19:18. Do we not have words for this?
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Thank you Ken I found your explanations most interesting.
You are obvious well versed in the Old Testament.
Also in the NT? like how the book of Daniel, written a long time before Revelations fit the prophecies together,
Please tell us more Ken...........................jenny
No idea what "a hell" it is. lol

Personally I'd advce to keep a far away from ungodly stuff as possible.
Be careful basically and also when in doubt.. don't.

And how about you Itchy? What is it to you?
Where do I even begin with you two?
nevertheless thank you Jen & ken for both your comments handshake

I'm taking it Ken you have no belief in Angel numbers?
I don't either and after doing little research on it, I've realised perhaps I've looked in the wrong direction in trying to understand how do numbers connect us to the spiritual world .. which of late, I'm beginning to think and question if they do.

Over the years I've often blogged/questioned about naked Angels, unfortunately no-one could educate me any wiser.. yet here you are speaking of one or are referring to, as a Goddess handshake

Note to self, research Ishtar typing

Likewise Jenny, I also believe gender does not matter even when the Bible portrays God favouring male, most. Because I'm not familiar with it can you please explain the basket of wickedness, the unclean bird in other words?
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Noting also the general impression one gets from reading how God spoke to Moses about the 2 Cherubim who would sit on the Tabernacle leaves the reader with the distinct impression that they were not cute little human infants carrying cute little bows and arrows like Cupid does. Probably something more akin to an Allosaurus than a human infant.

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what makes you think having a connection with our spirituality, possibly our fate is of ungodly stuff?

what is it to me... how long have you got hmmm
On on that note I bid you a gnite
but speaking of Moses, unless I'm mistaken his angelic number was 777.
My sister was obsessed with 7, as in triple it.
when born she weighed 7lb 7 always felt she needed the third one to come the full circle, not sure why... she was born on the 21st, three 7's equals 21... maybe that was her way of thinking, I don't know, I never paid too much attention since that's not my kind of stuff.. but now my minds not as closed off as it once used to be.

Anyways, sleep
Like I wrote, I believe the writers of the 9th to 20th century make a big mistake when they dismiss some of the O.T. descriptions as mere symbolism set to text. The Bible's O.T. is based on lifted portions of the earlier written Hebrew Torah or Tanakh, which is itself partially based on extracts of o*al tales related by Abraham and others of events in Sumeria before the flood. All of it is based on something and things in Sumer may have been a lot more interesting than today's culture believes. When the people of Sumeria scattered after the left over ice wall melted and flooded their country the refugees went in many directions. Their written Sanskrit went East (following what we today call the old Silk Road) and much of Asia's written language contains similarity to ancient Sumer writing style. Some fled to the areas we call Mesopotamia and lower Egypt. Some went North and Northwest. They brought their ways and knowledge with them. The working of metal, the use of a plow, etc. They also brought their beliefs and tales of things they had seen or heard of. Each new region as it developed adopted parts of these tales as part of their religion. What Christians later called Angels the Hebrews called Mal'ak. The Greeks just called them gods and goddesses, As one of the Bible quotes cited by BC Jenny relates, there were lots of them, possibly even thousands. Sumerian text called them Anunnaki. Sumerian text says most, but not all of them left the Earth.
I like going as early as I can regarding the origins of religious stories. If there is a writing by no less than Sargon identifying Ishtar/Issa and Aphrodite as being the same being, who am I to argue with it? Some believe the one called Aphrodite was also the one called Athena and the differences between tales and aspects of both crept in long after they were no longer around. Note the sculpture (currently in the British Museum) depicts owls in the Greek style by her side. Owls are often associated with Athena. The lions at her feet and the turret on her head are conversely normally associated with the goddess Rhea, while the early depiction of an Ankh in her hand is usually associated with Issa/Ishtar. Since the sculpture is thousands of years old asking the sculptor which aspect of which goddess he/she had in mind would be hard, but it is possible all of them can be attributed to one. In any case winged women were common in several of the religions in the Mediterranean vicinity.

I find Exodus and on to be some of the most technologically interesting parts of the Bible. Decades ago in the year when when I was building a HAM radio I stumbled on Exodus and read the Arc's build instructions and just froze and had to re read while thinking OMG I think I know what that is. I kept it to myself until one day a decade or two later I was discussing the Bible with a few old Masons and learned in the 1930s the Masonic order in the US had come to the exact same conclusion, but as they tried to organize a project to replicate it, FDR confiscated their (everyone's) gold and that stonewalled the project. Adjustable directional antenna, capacitors, resistors, valves, power source,probably a superheterodyne circuit etc. It is all right there in the text, but totally obscure if you are merely looking for theological symbolism and lack technical knowledge. In WW2 captured GIs in Japanese POW camps built 'Foxhole Radios' under the noses of their guards using such materials as newspaper scraps, Zinc plating off uniform buttons, antennas made using the barbed wire of the fences surrounding them, etc. What Moses learned how to make during his 40 day and night sabbatical was a Foxhole Radio x10 because his transmitted too. You can do that if you aren't worried about a security service tracking you down. All through the O.T. we get hints of the lethality (and implied watt potential of the power source).
How long have you got? lol
I'll make it short- it might take away from the more important new testament stuff.
It really comes down to entertainment vs purpose/goal.
I feel this numerololgy or what it's called is a side track.
A dead end side track.
jmo

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TBH I'd never even heard of angel numbers, had a quick look online, okay there's a lot about it. wow I like learning new stuff

Happy new year Itchy wine
How do Ken wave
I find all of your last comment very interesting, just wish I had the time to research some of what you've mentioned, nevertheless thanks for taking the time to type and explain your input handshake

Because you strike me as someone who knows more than others ...
I believe if a passed loved one appears to you coming up to their first anniversary, it is for you to let them go, but should they appear to you after their anniversary means you'll be reunited with them within a year.

If you have any knowledge of this, I'd appreciate you letting me know...
but if not, then perhaps I'll just put it all down to being some hocus-pocus of some kind jackolantern
Even if I don't agree with you Oz, tah for your opinion just the same wine

Unlike you I don't kick to the curb what I can't comprehend or understand ..
..JMO wink

wave
you might say a lot wow
even if I had the patience and time, not sure if I'd even bother.
But then there is curiosity which sometimes gets the better of me.

Cheers and thank you Suzie ...
hope 2024 turns out to be the year you wish it to be wine

Slainte good luck
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