Shameful disgraceful behaviour
Well I never
You go Luis, stand your ground
Can't believe this has become so blown out of proportion as it has, more so from a woman who doesn't even know her own mind.
Red card to Jennifer, I say
Wonder if a female coach, president or whatever kissed a male player in the same circumstances would she also be accused of an act of violence
or asked to resign.
Where some women make me feel proud to be a woman, there are others who make me feel downright ashamed.
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At first she defended him but to please others, she threw him under the bus.
Hearing on our news at the moment, its now a s*xual assault and I'm also hearing Luis mom has gone on a hunger strike to defend him.
What a great Mum/woman
This situation reminds me of the scandal with our MMA fighter Kubrat PUlev and the "journalist" Jenny Sushe he kissed in a euphoria of winning.
She wasn't offended at the moment and took part in the after party.
But soon after she changed her mind.
And nearly ruined his career.
There is an interesting video from the party night in this
Her, sitting on his lap.
Yea pc culturelle sucks
This situation reminds me of the scandal with our MMA fighter Kubrat PUlev and the "journalist" Jenny Sushe he kissed in a euphoria of winning.
She wasn't offended at the moment and took part in the after party.
But soon after she changed her mind.
And nearly ruined his career.
There is an interesting video from the party night in this
Her, sitting on his lap.
but maybe Jenny's are best avoided lol
With pictures like that I don't think there's a real need to watch the video to know where it's headed.
Spain's victory was short lived and so too, the loss of her father.
Each to their own priorities I suppose
Yea pc culturelle sucks
"joking" lol
But a word to the wise
the next time you get your d*ck caught it your boxers, don't handle your crotch unless you're certain, your not under his eye
Ever watch handmaids tale ?
this is where we are now at ... its beginning
this is where we are now at ... its beginning"
Who'da thought so many women would support that lecherous wild bull?
this is where we are now at ... its beginning"
Who'da thought so many women would support that lecherous wild bull?
so I still haven't a clue how so many became controlled under the eye of one.
Social media is setting a good example though.
So tell me, how do you know it was bull unless you watched it
Soon men will have no dealings with women, can't say I'd blame them.
At first she defended him but to please others, she threw him under the bus.
Hearing on our news at the moment, its now a s*xual assault and I'm also hearing Luis mom has gone on a hunger strike to defend him.
What a great Mum/woman
As none of them made any mention of Jenni Hermoso initially defending Luis Rubiales, could you cite a source for that, please?
As none of them made any mention of Jenni Hermoso initially defending Luis Rubiales, could you cite a source for that, please?
Rubiales claimed that Hermoso 'lifted him up' and that he had asked for 'a little peck', but despite the FA using a string of still photos to laboriusly explain these claims, video footage clearly demonstrates that he jumped on Hermoso. She has refuted his claims and he clearly lied about at least one of them.
In Hermoso's lengthy written statement she said that this incident and the FA's conduct following it was the last straw in a manipulative, hostile and controlling culture, plus a long list of situations that the players have been denouncing for years.
At the end of the video Itchy posted in her op, Rubiales is seen grabbing a young woman around her shoulders, pulling her towards him and giving her a very firm kiss on the cheek while she looks uncomfortable and pulls away as soon as she can.
Rubiales is a grown man who should be able to control his 'silly ethusiastic impulsive reactions' such that they don't include grabbing, jumping on and kissing young women. If a child, or man had complained about him grabbing and kissing it would be taken more seriously, but for some reason women are expected to accept this endemic, systematic intrusion on their person.
Please don't patronise women by dismissing the situation as a storm in a teacup. The few cntextual items I've exampled above are the drop in the ocean. This particular droplet has been caught on camera whereas most misogyny and abuse goes unseen, unheard, or just plain ignored. Not allowing this evidenced incident to be brushed under the carpet is about a far wider issue.
Rubiales claimed that Hermoso 'lifted him up' and that he had asked for 'a little peck', but despite the FA using a string of still photos to laboriusly explain these claims, video footage clearly demonstrates that he jumped on Hermoso. She has refuted his claims and he clearly lied about at least one of them.
In Hermoso's lengthy written statement she said that this incident and the FA's conduct following it was the last straw in a manipulative, hostile and controlling culture, plus a long list of situations that the players have been denouncing for years.
At the end of the video Itchy posted in her op, Rubiales is seen grabbing a young woman around her shoulders, pulling her towards him and giving her a very firm kiss on the cheek while she looks uncomfortable and pulls away as soon as she can.
Rubiales is a grown man who should be able to control his 'silly ethusiastic impulsive reactions' such that they don't include grabbing, jumping on and kissing young women. If a child, or man had complained about him grabbing and kissing it would be taken more seriously, but for some reason women are expected to accept this endemic, systematic intrusion on their person.
Please don't patronise women by dismissing the situation as a storm in a teacup. The few cntextual items I've exampled above are the drop in the ocean. This particular droplet has been caught on camera whereas most misogyny and abuse goes unseen, unheard, or just plain ignored. Not allowing this evidenced incident to be brushed under the carpet is about a far wider issue.
mouthspeak, for some reason, I thought of youyes or no but do you view it as a s*xual assault?
As I understand it, her immediate response was that she didn't like what happened, but after that it's not clear whether she was truly defending him, whether she was processing the incident, or whether it was before, or after she was under enormous pressure from the RFEF to justify Rubiales' actions.
Certainly, by the time she issued her own lengthy statement to refute the FA's spin (the cherry-picked photos with the lie that she picked him up therefore the kiss was consensual) she stated that the highly public incident had shocked her, but that she had since had time to reflect.
I don't think you can justifiably claim that she doesn't know her own mind. When events are public we are under a lot of social pressure to smooth over inappropriate behaviour. When events are surprising it can take time to process them. When someone in authority who has power over you does something inappropriate, or the organisation above them puts pressure on you to act like it didn't happen, it can be difficult to confront that, especially in public, especially in the middle of a celebration.
What I found interesting about this video, however, was the way the female guest justified the behaviour as simply continental. She defensively shouted the male guest down when he said he had lived in Spain and nobody ever kissed him and besides, that action is illegal in Spain. It struck me that she, as an attractive young woman had been kissed many a time and had been conditoned to accept that's just the way things are on the continent.
Now who was it that said you can kiss 'em on the lips, or grab 'em by the pu**y and they just let you do it?
Is ever a kiss seexual- I suppose is the question.
The dude went a bit far, we can all agree on that.
He was happy though
Now who was it that said you can kiss 'em on the lips, or grab 'em by the pu**y and they just let you do it?
Is ever a kiss seexual- I suppose is the question.
The dude went a bit far, we can all agree on that.
He was happy though
As for the beginning of your comment....
Unlike Jennifer I know my own mind and don't need the courts to decide it for me.
Unfortunately though I do know how this is going to turn out...
but hopefully, I'm wrong.
But you're welcome
its all over the net, nothings hidden it is what it is.
She had a change of heart, simple as end of.
WHY... is another matter.
The older chap made an interesting point when he suggested that Rubiales' initial defensiveness was understandable, as was his change of heart when he later apologised. I think we can accept that initial reactions can change after a time of reflection for both of them, except as Hermoso's male boss, he should have known better than to put himself in that position in the first place.
s*xual assault can mean a lot of things. In popular understanding it perhaps refers to a range of non-consensual grabbing, touching and penetrating, but more recently it is used to refer to rape, which is now understood to take more forms than penetration of a va*ina with a p*nis.
The action was certainly inappropriate.
It was a violation.
It would qualify as s*xual harassment in the workplace; it was physical; it was a man acting in a manner more consistent with s*xual contact with a woman, than a work based behaviour.
I think it could be argued that the inappropriate behaviour may come under the now broad umbrella of s*xual assault, but I'm not sure that's the best way to describe it. It fails to capture the nuanced social dynamic and context surrounding the event.
As Professor Carol Anderson said, we have to name things to be able to face them, to be able to deal with them. We all know something is wrong here, but we don't know how to name it - that's clearly a part of the problem.
It doesn't matter that he spoiled the moment and took it away from her. She's not that important.
Her success is superceded by his achievement, or his celebration.
That's just the way it is on every continent.
wouldn't like to think of you bursting a blood vessel in your neck
The man in the middle clearly wasn't expecting that outburst from her and the other chap sat back whilst he seemed to of been enjoying it. she on the other hand should be done for verbal abuse or better still, suspended until she does a course on anger management.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, or so's to speak
I think there's only one word for his actions which in my books is thoughtlessness.
I'm glad afterwards he decided to apologies but I can fully understand why in the beginning he wouldn't.
Maybe business & pleasure should not always mix and less of friendly relationships between both, or there is another solution, keep women out of men's sports
At first she defended him but to please others, she threw him under the bus.
Hearing on our news at the moment, its now a s*xual assault and I'm also hearing Luis mom has gone on a hunger strike to defend him.
What a great Mum/woman
C
I don't know anything about him so for me my view isn't a personal reference as in if I like him or not, but going by your comment... it may shed some light on this witch hunt for him, if that's the case, that's not right either.
Can't find anything anywhere about how's his mother doing
wouldn't like to think of you bursting a blood vessel in your neck lol
The man in the middle clearly wasn't expecting that outburst from her and the other chap sat back whilst he seemed to of been enjoying it. she on the other hand should be done for verbal abuse or better still, suspended until she does a course on anger management.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, or so's to speak
I think there's only one word for his actions which in my books is thoughtlessness.
I'm glad afterwards he decided to apologies but I can fully understand why in the beginning he wouldn't.
Maybe business & pleasure should not always mix and less of friendly relationships between both, or there is another solution, keep women out of men's sports
I think it's pretty clear the misogyny in women's sports, or in women's lives in general is not pleasurable for women.
Saying it's about friendly working relationships puts equal blame on both, when clearly Hermoso was not culpable in her own unpleasant, gender-based negative experience. Rubiales was at fault.
I think he didn't apologise immediately because he thought his behaviour was acceptable. He thought his behaviour was acceptable because he's never been challenged in a way that hurt him. It's so much easier to dismiss women's obvious discomfort and objections (like the young woman at the end of your op video) if there are no consequences like the end of your career.
I do wonder if Rubiales had apologised immediately and/or if the FA hadn't issued the damage control lies and/or if the RFEF hadn't pressured Hermoso (and even her family members) into defending Rubiale's actions and/or there wasn't a historical context of systemic misogyny that they'd all been complaining about for years...*large intake of breath*...whether Hermoso would have accepted the apology and that would have been the end of it.
I think his actions combined with the aftermath were the last straw and seein as it was all recorded and public, there's an opportunity to fight back, at least against him. I do hope that he's not the only ne wh is made an exampe of, though: I think some FA and RFEF heads should roll, too.
We are never going to affect change unless people are held to account.
As for what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, trying to be heard as a woman is not verbal abuse.
C
At first she defended him but to please others, she threw him under the bus.
Hearing on our news at the moment, its now a s*xual assault and I'm also hearing Luis mom has gone on a hunger strike to defend him.
What a great Mum/woman
Now she's caught up in the #MeToo crap movement That movement has destroyed many innocent men's lives whom were found innocent
Okay he got carried away he shouldn't of done it but I have seen males kiss their players on the lips like that all caught up in the moment
Definitely not s*xual assault at all
Now she's caught up in the #MeToo crap movement That movement has destroyed many innocent men's lives whom were found innocent
Okay he got carried away he shouldn't of done it but I have seen males kiss their players on the lips like that all caught up in the moment
Definitely not s*xual assault at all
Personally, I don't see how we can move on without addressing the issue and without there being consequences for those who transgress the legal protections that we didn't have when we were that age.
Personally, I don't see how we can move on without addressing the issue and without there being consequences for those who transgress the legal protections that we didn't have when we were that age.
Just my way of seeing things without getting too p.c about the whole situation.
I note too that he happened to slap her on the behind as she walked away. Also extremely inappropriate - it was grossly stupid behaviour. To destroy someone's career however over a moment of exuberant folly is to my mind over the top. It calls to mind that Oscar 2022 event 'Will Smith SLAPS Chris Rock at Oscars 2022'.
Just my way of seeing things without getting too p.c about the whole situation.
Then why was her toes curling and she had this dreamy look?
This man should have been spoken to long ago the ladies had complained many a time,
We do not live in the dark ages anymore,
shame it all had to (kick off)
Yep this man did not think he was doing anything wrong
Maybe his mother could have taught him manners a long time ago.
So sorry the good football playing on both sides had to end this way
Take care itchy from lip kissing grunters
Then why was her toes curling and she had this dreamy look?
Especially in times when they claim to be "independent" and "strong".
But in reality many are turning themselves into a product, a product they sell to...men.
Yet a moment of euphoria and pure joy becomes an issue somehow.
You don't kiss people you hate or disappoint you.
I wonder if the kiss came from a woman in power, what the outcry would have been?!
Or if this woman, Jennifer, kissed him?
I think it's pretty clear the misogyny in women's sports, or in women's lives in general is not pleasurable for women.
Saying it's about friendly working relationships puts equal blame on both, when clearly Hermoso was not culpable in her own unpleasant, gender-based negative experience. Rubiales was at fault.
I think he didn't apologise immediately because he thought his behaviour was acceptable. He thought his behaviour was acceptable because he's never been challenged in a way that hurt him. It's so much easier to dismiss women's obvious discomfort and objections (like the young woman at the end of your op video) if there are no consequences like the end of your career.
I do wonder if Rubiales had apologised immediately and/or if the FA hadn't issued the damage control lies and/or if the RFEF hadn't pressured Hermoso (and even her family members) into defending Rubiale's actions and/or there wasn't a historical context of systemic misogyny that they'd all been complaining about for years...*large intake of breath*...whether Hermoso would have accepted the apology and that would have been the end of it.
I think his actions combined with the aftermath were the last straw and seein as it was all recorded and public, there's an opportunity to fight back, at least against him. I do hope that he's not the only ne wh is made an exampe of, though: I think some FA and RFEF heads should roll, too.
We are never going to affect change unless people are held to account.
As for what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, trying to be heard as a woman is not verbal abuse.
if you think shouting is not verbal abuse, then our views differ again.
Personally speaking I myself think change will never be effective unless the geese & ganders behaviours are looked upon in the same manner, with no exception of one over the other.
Equality in other words.
No fuss no difference even if it is a tad more disturbing/damaging.
Now she's caught up in the #MeToo crap movement That movement has destroyed many innocent men's lives whom were found innocent
Okay he got carried away he shouldn't of done it but I have seen males kiss their players on the lips like that all caught up in the moment
Definitely not s*xual assault at all
hopefully they were compensated in some way or another.
Not s*xual assault... agreed