As is evident from some posters here, Israel is totally justified in challenging international law in her blatant annexing of Palestinian land. Israel is above common law. They, being chosen by god, are to be allowed to make up laws that suit their agenda. It should be understood that goyim laws just do not apply. And no logic should apply. Only Alberta states the true situation in Israel and the Palestinians should be just liquidated in a slow continuous fashion and the world WILL just sit by docile.
The United States has offered Israel incentives to impose a one-time 90 day moratorium on building in the occupied territories. Israel says they will consider the offer but will not stop construction in occupied East Jeruselem even with these incentives. What are you opinions on this?
SB....Netanyhu is one of the most influencial men in the world
Sorry ttom, Netanyahu is only important in Israel. He is seen by many millions if not billions of people as an irrational man making unjust demands of a beaten foe.
I, and millions of Americans are wondering what are his ulterior motives for inviting himself to MY country and talking to the Vice President who represents ME and has no decision making authority, and then traveling on to address another forum of HIS People on MY Countries soil.??????????????
I see him and you as potential adversaries. As do many MILLIONS of others. Are you ttom?
And in this thread we actually shook hands and agreed on many points. Now we are at odds in every exchange. Might it be that we've reached an impasse? That the anger is first and the ideas ,..redundant? We both feel passion for our causes.
At this very moment Netanyahu heads to Washington to talk to Biden.
What is this? Why is he then going to address Jewish leaders in New Orleans? Does he feel this is his land? His property?
Neither side is "right" but unlike the "the truth lies somewhere in between" axiom just does not fit here. ttom. Don't you read the international headlines? The Asian theater, European the colleges they all protest Israels obstinance in these negotiations. Netanyahu has the knife stuck in and he's twisting. Do you and he think the WORLD isn't taking note ,..forming opinions? Lasting opinions. This and other Forums serve as a chronical of this "child" Israel.
They've been beaten, butchered, slaughtered, selectivly and in purges. They have been starved, had their infrastructure vitually laid to waste, subject to gestopo raids in the middle of the night just to have their husbands/brothers, sons and daughters arrested, without charge and held for years and years and years.
Any resistance shown has been met with the most vicious heavy-handed , disproportionate retaliation by one of the most mechanized killing machines the world has ever ever seen.
And you have the contemp,...........the audacity,..
the CONCIET ,..........to suggest Abbas is" there for the long haul" W T F does that mean ttom?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Its like a father negotiating with a kidnapper that has his family held captive. He will say and do Any Thing He HAS TO to prevent this RAGING MANIAC from slaughtering his FAMILY. You have the conciet to suggest that this being done in Good Faith???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? That a just and honorable peace is at hand????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? That sir is the height of Conciet That sir is Netanyahu and the Zionists vicious, contemptious stance. "Come on lets sign a treaty where we get to keep all your land we've stolen, kick you out of your traditional areas of East Jeruselem , encapsulate your population with IDF and you can be our human shields against all of our enemies, And for a bonus we get 70 percent of YOUR aquifer right, and you had better toe the line or we'll squish you like a bug on the sidewalk.
They've been beaten, butchered, slaughtered, selectivly and in purges. They have been starved, had their infrastructure vitually laid to waste, subject to gestopo raids in the middle of the night just to have their husbands/brothers, sons and daughters arrested, without charge and held for years and years and years.
Any resistance shown has been met with the most vicious heavy-handed , disproportionate retaliation by one of the most mechanized killing machines the world has ever ever seen.
And you have the contemp,...........the audacity,..
the CONCIET ,..........to suggest Abbas is" there for the long haul" W T F does that mean ttom?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Its like a father negotiating with a kidnapper that has his family held captive. He will say and do Any Thing He HAS TO to prevent this RAGING MANIAC from slaughtering his FAMILY. You have the conciet to suggest that this being done in Good Faith???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? That a just and honorable peace is at hand????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? That sir is the height of Conciet That sir is Netanyahu and the Zionists vicious, contemptious stance. "Come on lets sign a treaty where we get to keep all your land we've stolen, kick you out of your traditional areas of East Jeruselem , encapsulate your population with IDF and you can be our human shields against all of our enemies, And for a bonus we get 70 percent of YOUR aquifer right, and you had better toe the line or we'll squish you like a bug on the sidewalk.
It was the same time you showed me the garrot trick, boy I thought I would never talk the same again! And the "Which shell is the pea under flim-flam" remember that one? And what about the "Fark this and Fark that with all the double-hand gestures, boy those were the good old days. Geeze it seems like yesterday you could just shoot twenty or thirty Palestine teenagers and then go have dinner. Not now! All the paper work and clean , ahhhh, just isn't the same.
RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — U.S. efforts to restart peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians have not produced results so far, the Egyptian foreign minister said Thursday, less than two weeks before a key Arab decision on whether to halt the negotiations.
The peace talks, launched last month at the White House, have stalled over Israeli settlement construction in the West Bank, and Israeli and Palestinian leaders traded barbed remarks Thursday about their future.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has refused to extend a 10-month moratorium on new housing starts that ended on Sept. 26. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas says he won't resume the talks without an extension on the building curbs.
Well ttom, Looks like we'll find out soon if your "treaty" will happen.
And IF it does, it will be signed under "DURESS". And , like Netanyahus ploy to herd all the little goy into a couple of prison-camp like enclaves and let them fester until one of them steps out of line then he'll twist that into another slaughter-house.
Vicious, maniacal plot. But so transparent it makes me barf.
Ah,...the height to impotence! Always ducking, always running. So sad to have been exposed SO EFFICIENTLY.. Conrad how can you stand to look in the mirror? When you've been so cleanly defeated. Bravo
PS mikygr, how do you post the Aipac cartoon, I want to use that as a signature.
Dude, do you really know what your saying???????????????????? The fragmented remnants of the Wast Bank will be just like another refugee camp for Christ sakes. No one wants to live under Israels thumb. They want Israel out of their lives and the way Netanyahu has them surrounded it will be living hell. You know it and Netanyahu knows it. It will just be years more of shooting fish in a bucket! YOUR NOT FOOLING ANYBODY TTOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals, and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. Here are some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic.
Kerithoth 6b: Uses of Oil of Anointing. "Our Rabbis have taught: He who pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over gentiles (goyim) or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle and vessels is right, for it is written: "Upon the flesh of man (Adam), shall it not be poured (Exodus 30:32]); and cattle and vessels are not man (Adam).
"Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since after death one is called corpse and not a man (Adam). But why is one exempt in the case of gentiles (goyim); are they not in the category of man (Adam)? No, it is written: 'And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are man" (Adam); [Ezekiel 34:31]: Ye are called man (Adam) but gentiles (goyim) are not called man (Adam)."
In the preceding passage, the rabbis are discussing the portion of the Mosaic law which forbids applying the holy oil to men.
The Talmud states that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to Gentiles, because Gentiles are not human beings (i.e. are not of Adam).
Another example from tractate Yebamoth 61a: "It was taught: And so did R. Simeon ben Yohai state (61a) that the graves of gentiles (goyim) do not impart levitical uncleanness by an ohel [standing or bending over a grave], for it is said, 'And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men (Adam), [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men (Adam) but the idolaters are not called men (Adam)."
The Old Testament Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or the grave of a human imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a Gentile, the Jew is not rendered unclean, since Gentiles are not human (not of Adam).
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