Don’t Fight Insanity With Insanity

ACCIDENT that is the word, but gunning folk on mass is no accident. two different shades of grey

Accident or no accident, when your family member is dead, they are still dead.

True that is sad and when a plane goes down through accident folk still dead

Different deaths one can almost be understood accident, helps grieving mass senseless shooting can never be come to terms with

I know you didn't intend it this way, but to argue that a death from a car accident is not as noteworthy as a death from a shooting is demeaning to the families of those who lost a family member in a car accident.

That is exactly the negative attitude, which prevents solutions to problems.

if you crash into a school bus and kill 30 kids by mistake thats not the same as beheading a dozen small children.

Not the same to whom? The families of the dead?

In what way are the families of the children killed by mistake in the school bus any less injured than the families of the other dead children?

Is this view not diminishing of the pain suffered by the children killed on the bus?

Is it not focusing on the rare tragedy while ignoring the common tragedy and using the statistically insignificant to make policy based on sensationalization?

A car nor a gun kills. It is the person that does. To avoid needless accidents maybe make it more difficult to use either. Many people shot them selves by accident. One thing that is difficult to control is someone with a criminal mind who could earn owning either or both. The person could use either as weapon.

And we have 350 million now the last I checked was around 267 million and over 7 billion world wide. but in the USA - children, adults and senior citizens. A child hardly ever dies in school or on a bus.There is a tiny percentage of crazy people in the age range of 18-62 that make up for Statistics. If you die and then you are a victim of an act of crime or traffic accident. When Gun Owners our required to bind an insurance Co. to the owners of firearms. Would help shooting victims

@Swamie if someone crazy or not was hellbent on murdering people, he, she or it would still find away including but not limited to getting a gun illegally.

Agree bigbj guns don't kill anyone can flip. Even police Right over the ridge from me.

And we have 350 million now the last I checked was around 267 million and over 7 billion world wide. but in the USA - children, adults and senior citizens.

As of a year ago. It's higher now... including hundreds of thousands of illegals who poured into America illegally over the Mexican border thanks to an assist by the Democrats since then.

By Year By Month
Date Value
Jul 1, 2019 329.16 million
Jul 1, 2018 327.17 million
Jul 1, 2017 325.15 million
Jul 1, 2016 323.07 million
Jul 1, 2015 320.74 million
Jul 1, 2014 318.39 million
Jul 1, 2013 316.06 million
Jul 1, 2012 313.87 million
Jul 1, 2011 311.58 million
Jul 1, 2010 309.33 million
Jul 1, 2009 306.77 million
Jul 1, 2008 304.09 million
Jul 1, 2007 301.23 million
Jul 1, 2006 298.38 million
Jul 1, 2005 295.52 million
Jul 1, 2004 292.81 million
Jul 1, 2003 290.11 million
Jul 1, 2002 287.63 million
Jul 1, 2001 284.97 million
Jul 1, 2000 282.16 million
Jul 1, 1999 279.04 million
Jul 1, 1998 275.85 million
Jul 1, 1997 272.65 million
Jul 1, 1996 269.39 million
Jul 1, 1995 266.28 million
Jul 1, 1994 263.13 million
Jul 1, 1993 259.92 million
Jul 1, 1992 256.51 million
Jul 1, 1991 252.98 million
Jul 1, 1990 249.62 million
Jul 1, 1989 246.82 million
Jul 1, 1988 244.50 million
Jul 1, 1987 242.29 million
Jul 1, 1986 240.13 million
Jul 1, 1985 237.92 million
Jul 1, 1984 235.82 million
Jul 1, 1983 233.79 million
Jul 1, 1982 231.66 million
Jul 1, 1981 229.47 million
Jul 1, 1980 227.22 million
Jul 1, 1979 225.06 million
Jul 1, 1978 222.58 million
Jul 1, 1977 220.24 million
Jul 1, 1976 218.04 million
Jul 1, 1975 215.97 million
Jul 1, 1974 213.85 million
Jul 1, 1973 211.91 million
Jul 1, 1972 209.90 million
Jul 1, 1971 207.66 million
Jul 1, 1970 205.05 million
Jul 1, 1969 202.68 million
Jul 1, 1968 200.71 million
Jul 1, 1967 198.71 million
Jul 1, 1966 196.56 million
Jul 1, 1965 194.30 million
Jul 1, 1964 191.89 million
Jul 1, 1963 189.24 million
Jul 1, 1962 186.54 million
Jul 1, 1961 183.69 million
Jul 1, 1960 180.67 million
Jul 1, 1959 177.83 million
Jul 1, 1958 174.88 million
Jul 1, 1957 171.98 million
Jul 1, 1956 168.90 million
Jul 1, 1955 165.93 million
Jul 1, 1954 163.03 million
Jul 1, 1953 160.18 million
Jul 1, 1952 157.55 million
Jul 1, 1951 154.88 million
Jul 1, 1950 152.27 million
Jul 1, 1949 149.19 million
Jul 1, 1948 146.63 million
Jul 1, 1947 144.13 million
Jul 1, 1946 141.39 million
Jul 1, 1945 139.93 million
Jul 1, 1944 138.40 million
Jul 1, 1943 136.74 million
Jul 1, 1942 134.86 million
Jul 1, 1941 133.40 million
Jul 1, 1940 132.12 million
Jul 1, 1939 130.88 million
Jul 1, 1938 129.82 million
Jul 1, 1937 128.82 million
Jul 1, 1936 128.05 million
Jul 1, 1935 127.25 million
Jul 1, 1934 126.37 million
Jul 1, 1933 125.58 million
Jul 1, 1932 124.84 million
Jul 1, 1931 124.04 million
Jul 1, 1930 123.08 million
Jul 1, 1929 121.77 million
Jul 1, 1928 120.51 million
Jul 1, 1927 119.04 million
Jul 1, 1926 117.40 million
Jul 1, 1925 115.83 million
Jul 1, 1924 114.11 million
Jul 1, 1923 111.95 million
Jul 1, 1922 110.05 million
Jul 1, 1921 108.54 million
Jul 1, 1920 106.46 million
Jul 1, 1919 104.51 million
Jul 1, 1918 103.21 million
Jul 1, 1917 103.27 million
Jul 1, 1916 101.96 million
Jul 1, 1915 100.55 million
Jul 1, 1914 99.11 million
Jul 1, 1913 97.22 million
Jul 1, 1912 95.33 million
Jul 1, 1911 93.86 million
Jul 1, 1910 92.41 million
Jul 1, 1909 90.49 million
Jul 1, 1908 88.71 million
Jul 1, 1907 87.01 million
Jul 1, 1906 85.45 million
Jul 1, 1905 83.82 million
Jul 1, 1904 82.17 million
Jul 1, 1903 80.63 million
Jul 1, 1902 79.16 million
Jul 1, 1901 77.58 million
Jul 1, 1900 76.09 million

I can't answer that question the last time I looked for the population count was 1995. And I thought if I had a penny from everyone I could be rich. But if everybody stayed home for a day. that saves lives. Canada seems to be safer then the USA colder climinate less crime

Equating terrorism with car accidents is whats insane.

so just continue to do nothing then and allow people to be murdered and call it collateral damage

At some point the answer to that is yes.

The classic example you learn about in Econ 101 is pollution. You may be able to reduce the level of a polluted body of water that is 75% polluted down to 25% fairly cheaply. But reducing it from 25% polluted to 10% polluted may cost twice as much as reducing it to 25% from 75%.

And reducing it from 10% to 1% polluted might cost 4 times much as the last reduction.

And reducing it from 1% to 0.1% might cost 8 times as much, which may be the entire wealth of every person on the planet.

And so on.

It's the law of diminishing returns for your investment. The more you try to reduce something the more the incremental cost of the reduction.

In the example you NEVER get to the point where pollution is reduced to nonexistent. There is ALWAYS some level of pollution. You could spend every penny that ever existed on a problem and STILL never reduce it to ZERO.

But of course you can't spend every penny because there are other things you need to spend money on too that are equally or more important such as eating.

This is exactly the same principle. The number of people killed by incidents like this is infinitesimal. We have already reduced the level down to a statistically insignificant level. The cost of reducing it even further, which may or may not even be possible is not worth spending because there are other uses for those resources which will benefit society more.

Resources are not unlimited. It doesn't make sense to waste them on something that is so statistically insignificant and may not be able to be reduced significantly no matter how much is spent on it.

In any event, it certainly isn't sane to infringe any further on the gun ownership rights of 349,999,990 US citizens because there are 10 crazy people out there. That's letting the tail wag the dog.

That isn't to say that there aren't some other areas that might be appropriate to look into such as the one President Trump is suggesting, i.e. focusing on identifying people with mental problems before they get to the point where they can commit such acts and isolating them from society. It's entirely possible that the left's obsessive compulsion to focus the discussion on gun control, when there is no evidence at all that this is an effective solution since there are already hundreds of gun control laws, has diverted attention away from what may in fact be a viable way to further reduce the problem.

The statistics you never hear about are the ones about the thousands of innocent lives that are SAVED every year because law abiding citizens had the right to own guns.