President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing? (122)
gozoman2: Don't really think so....he made it clear that as president of the US his main role is that of safeguarding his people's interests.....and that there are areas of disagreement even between the best of allies within the EU....
but it is not time to harp on the differences...but find solution of common interests and goals.....
in essence that was Obama's message in Europe
but it is not time to harp on the differences...but find solution of common interests and goals.....
in essence that was Obama's message in Europe
It is a rough game I hope he can. It is not a one man show. I wonder about the people you don't see. Only time will tell.....The choice is be part of the problem or Find Solutions All we can do now is give him a chance to find solutions or it will become a bigger problem
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gooddogman: The man sure likes to talk, he be good at pep rally's. Other than that what is his wife wearing. I think he like playing the great savior role.....We Will See....If he can get things turned around. In Europe and the world oh I forgot he is going to fix everything.....
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gozoman2: Bingo as always Hugs...same track u and i....
Yep...We always have been when it comes to Oboma and the U.S.....
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gooddogman: It is a rough game I hope he can. It is not a one man show. I wonder about the people you don't see. Only time will tell.....The choice is be part of the problem or Find Solutions
All we can do now is give him a chance to find solutions or it will become a bigger problem
All we can do now is give him a chance to find solutions or it will become a bigger problem
Not only is it not a one man show......
but it also ain't a one country show like previously imposed by the previous administration....
the time of we dictate, you follow is past.....and I believe Obama has made that very clear in the last few days to the rest of the leaders of the world community.
That...on it's own merits...is an achievement....
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gozoman2: Not only is it not a one man show......
but it also ain't a one country show like previously imposed by the previous administration....
the time of we dictate, you follow is past.....and I believe Obama has made that very clear in the last few days to the rest of the leaders of the world community.
That...on it's own merits...is an achievement....
but it also ain't a one country show like previously imposed by the previous administration....
the time of we dictate, you follow is past.....and I believe Obama has made that very clear in the last few days to the rest of the leaders of the world community.
That...on it's own merits...is an achievement....
Not only shouldn't it be a one person show...BUT it shouldn't be just a government show either...it takes the people of a country to make a country run and to make changes...NOT just one man or one government....Sooooooo to the people of the U.S....I say be the changes you seek...rather than just sit back and complain that the right man isn't in power...try taking some responsibility for your own country.....
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Not only shouldn't it be a one person show...BUT it shouldn't be just a government show either...it takes the people of a country to make a country run and to make changes...NOT just one man or one government....Sooooooo to the people of the U.S....I say be the changes you seek...rather than just sit back and complain that the right man isn't in power...try taking some responsibility for your own country.....
Well, Obama certainly embraced modern technology (i.e. the internet) on his campaign trail - and if he's clever he'll use it to get some feedback from his 'customers' rather than risk getting a little isolated by a close fraternity of advisers who might be tempted to shield him from the realities of life!
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rusty_knight: Well, Obama certainly embraced modern technology (i.e. the internet) on his campaign trail - and if he's clever he'll use it to get some feedback from his 'customers' rather than risk getting a little isolated by a close fraternity of advisers who might be tempted to shield him from the realities of life!
Yes and that's important to stay realistic and to do the will of the people...Frankly I can't remember if there ever has been a government in power that has done that...and not just done their own will.....
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gozoman2: Not only is it not a one man show......
but it also ain't a one country show like previously imposed by the previous administration....
the time of we dictate, you follow is past.....and I believe Obama has made that very clear in the last few days to the rest of the leaders of the world community.
That...on it's own merits...is an achievement....
but it also ain't a one country show like previously imposed by the previous administration....
the time of we dictate, you follow is past.....and I believe Obama has made that very clear in the last few days to the rest of the leaders of the world community.
That...on it's own merits...is an achievement....
I am not one for a world community... or a one world order...The leaders of other countries have blamed the U.S for things that they have created. When the money is handed out they stand in line. We all have problems because of bad leaders....I believe the countries should fix their problems before looking to fix ours. Do you think Canada doesn't have problems, they are at war also....U.K. It is like foot ball game there are 11 players and we just see the quaterback...Obama is just another man being told what to do by the money men who run it all...Corporations...Big Oil...World Bank..G2..wake up smell the coffee.
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rusty_knight: Thanks - I sent a quick email to the White House offering my services as a 'special adviser' with 'CS' experience......... they probably don't know what 'CS' stands for, but I'm not telling them, so there!
Maybe you'll get a date.......
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gooddogman: I am not one for a world community... or a one world order...The leaders of other countries have blamed the U.S for things that they have created. When the money is handed out they stand in line. We all have problems because of bad leaders....I believe the countries should fix their problems before looking to fix ours. Do you think Canada doesn't have problems, they are at war also....U.K. It is like foot ball game there are 11 players and we just see the quaterback...Obama is just another man being told what to do by the money men who run it all...Corporations...Big Oil...World Bank..G2..wake up smell the coffee.
Of course we all have problems...and yes we are at war...backing the U.S. for the wrong reasons...non-existent weapons of mass destruction...and 911 terrorists who came from Saudi Arabia...not Iraq or Afghanistan...BUT stand behind you we did..even in the face of misinformation and our soldiers are also dying every day for that support....it doesn't matter if you support the world community or not...the fact is...the U.S. is and has always been a part of it...and that won't change....
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gooddogman: I am not one for a world community... or a one world order...The leaders of other countries have blamed the U.S for things that they have created. When the money is handed out they stand in line. We all have problems because of bad leaders....I believe the countries should fix their problems before looking to fix ours. Do you think Canada doesn't have problems, they are at war also....U.K. It is like foot ball game there are 11 players and we just see the quaterback...Obama is just another man being told what to do by the money men who run it all...Corporations...Big Oil...World Bank..G2..wake up smell the coffee.
Neither am I.....in effect that is what I like about the EU...sure ain't perfect and there is a lot of funny power games involved....but within the unity of the EU each individual country strives for the best interests for it's citizens.....
but without the use of force and without imposition......
Yes....we all have problems...from the smallest nations like ours to the largest like yours.....but we only have one planet to share between us......
and at some point we got to pull together if we want to better the state of things from as present....
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gozoman2: Neither am I.....in effect that is what I like about the EU...sure ain't perfect and there is a lot of funny power games involved....but within the unity of the EU each individual country strives for the best interests for it's citizens.....
but without the use of force and without imposition......
Yes....we all have problems...from the smallest nations like ours to the largest like yours.....but we only have one planet to share between us......
and at some point we got to pull together if we want to better the state of things from as present....
but without the use of force and without imposition......
Yes....we all have problems...from the smallest nations like ours to the largest like yours.....but we only have one planet to share between us......
and at some point we got to pull together if we want to better the state of things from as present....
We are on the same page as pulling together. I disagree with the riches countries who do not treat their citizen with respect. The leaders should be in prison for there crimes. I think a small country can make a big difference in the world by example. Africa is larger and has wealth but look at it's peoples conditions. Mexico, why do it people flee....The goverments must work for the people not the people for the goverments. This is dictatorship. I see Obama trying to be all things to all people that will not work.
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gooddogman: We are on the same page as pulling together. I disagree with the riches countries who do not treat their citizen with respect. The leaders should be in prison for there crimes. I think a small country can make a big difference in the world by example. Africa is larger and has wealth but look at it's peoples conditions. Mexico, why do it people flee....The goverments must work for the people not the people for the goverments. This is dictatorship. I see Obama trying to be all things to all people that will not work.
I don't think he is............. he has clearly stated to us Europeans when asked that he believes that he will always put the interests of the USA above those of any other country - obvious, but well stated.
He is NOT trying to be all things to all people just clearly stating his objectives and also the reality that he is unlikely to succeed (e.g. he'd like a nuclear free world but doesn't see that happening in his lifetime).
What he DOES do is show that he realises that his view and his country's view (i.e. the USA) does NOT coincide with all the needs of all other countries but that we CAN have a decent working relationship where we recognise conflicting interests but have respect for each other and do our best to prevent those conflicting interests cause any major problems.
That's NOT 'trying to be all things to all people'!
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jetdevil2001: And again the same... Do you really think that Russia and China are interested in N.Korea's provocation, these two great countries in past and future, just want to solve this matter peacefully, but not like US government did it always, dooming countries into chaos, Russia and China border on N. Korea, thus, they are unwilling in driving the situation over the edge. As for Russia, they are always open for negotiations and cooperation in all affairs in comparison with the USA, when it always advisedly foced the situation with Russia. Medvedev proved out to be a true leader with democratic views, just look what Russian government doing to protect and support socially its citizens both socially and financially
I would kind of buy that ....if....you did not still did not have Russian troops in Georgia.
Kind of throws out the Medvedev let us talk things out and have a picnic at the end of the day concept, yes?
None of the major world powers (including the USA) want a nuclear holocaust. But all will use conventional force to protect national interest and national security.
Even look at how China is handling the Tibetian situation. China is not threatening the Tibetian with WMDs but rather is using a variety of conventional and unconventional methods on them.
As for the US forcing Russia into a agreement....LOL.....they are big boys over there in the Kremlin. The last time we went there to talk to them on Iran....they booted Gates and Rice out the talk session.
So? I think to talk....both have to sit at the same table to hear the words.
Maybe President Obama will do better with them. But I got a feeling that this ain't going to play out the way most hope.
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Good post above - a real test of Obama's diplomatic skills qwhen faced with leaders who certainly don't have the same motivations........... he needs to reassert common interests and also show that the expansion of NATO doesn't have to be a bad thing for the former dictating power of the Warsaw Pact.
We'd have never imagined some of the countries being NATO members who are now NATO members - maybe Russia could be persuaded to join, but I believe that there is something so proud in the Russian culture that they'd never accept being anything but being top dog in any military alliance.
We'd have never imagined some of the countries being NATO members who are now NATO members - maybe Russia could be persuaded to join, but I believe that there is something so proud in the Russian culture that they'd never accept being anything but being top dog in any military alliance.
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gooddogman: As long as he isn't giving the farm away...I wish him to do well.
It is just hard to trust anymore. I don't care for the people in his cabinet.
It is just hard to trust anymore. I don't care for the people in his cabinet.
You mean the ones that worked for Fannie Mae or the ones who cheated on their taxes?
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ttom500: I would kind of buy that ....if....you did not still did not have Russian troops in Georgia.
Kind of throws out the Medvedev let us talk things out and have a picnic at the end of the day concept, yes?
None of the major world powers (including the USA) want a nuclear holocaust. But all will use conventional force to protect national interest and national security.
Even look at how China is handling the Tibetian situation. China is not threatening the Tibetian with WMDs but rather is using a variety of conventional and unconventional methods on them.
As for the US forcing Russia into a agreement....LOL.....they are big boys over there in the Kremlin. The last time we went there to talk to them on Iran....they booted Gates and Rice out the talk session.
So? I think to talk....both have to sit at the same table to hear the words.
Maybe President Obama will do better with them. But I got a feeling that this ain't going to play out the way most hope.
Kind of throws out the Medvedev let us talk things out and have a picnic at the end of the day concept, yes?
None of the major world powers (including the USA) want a nuclear holocaust. But all will use conventional force to protect national interest and national security.
Even look at how China is handling the Tibetian situation. China is not threatening the Tibetian with WMDs but rather is using a variety of conventional and unconventional methods on them.
As for the US forcing Russia into a agreement....LOL.....they are big boys over there in the Kremlin. The last time we went there to talk to them on Iran....they booted Gates and Rice out the talk session.
So? I think to talk....both have to sit at the same table to hear the words.
Maybe President Obama will do better with them. But I got a feeling that this ain't going to play out the way most hope.
I hope he will be clever enough to cooperate with Russia and not rush into provocative words as did chosen by you preious government. The thing is that both sides have their own positions but it is possible to overcome them. But US goerment seems to continue the sam way, a few weeks ago an american general John Cartwright was send to Georgia to talk about rearming and preparing of a new strong, able to attack army....
Provocations are going on... or...
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rusty_knight: Good post above - a real test of Obama's diplomatic skills qwhen faced with leaders who certainly don't have the same motivations........... he needs to reassert common interests and also show that the expansion of NATO doesn't have to be a bad thing for the former dictating power of the Warsaw Pact.
We'd have never imagined some of the countries being NATO members who are now NATO members - maybe Russia could be persuaded to join, but I believe that there is something so proud in the Russian culture that they'd never accept being anything but being top dog in any military alliance.
We'd have never imagined some of the countries being NATO members who are now NATO members - maybe Russia could be persuaded to join, but I believe that there is something so proud in the Russian culture that they'd never accept being anything but being top dog in any military alliance.
That will never happen
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rusty_knight: I don't think he is............. he has clearly stated to us Europeans when asked that he believes that he will always put the interests of the USA above those of any other country - obvious, but well stated.
He is NOT trying to be all things to all people just clearly stating his objectives and also the reality that he is unlikely to succeed (e.g. he'd like a nuclear free world but doesn't see that happening in his lifetime).
What he DOES do is show that he realises that his view and his country's view (i.e. the USA) does NOT coincide with all the needs of all other countries but that we CAN have a decent working relationship where we recognise conflicting interests but have respect for each other and do our best to prevent those conflicting interests cause any major problems.
That's NOT 'trying to be all things to all people'!
He is NOT trying to be all things to all people just clearly stating his objectives and also the reality that he is unlikely to succeed (e.g. he'd like a nuclear free world but doesn't see that happening in his lifetime).
What he DOES do is show that he realises that his view and his country's view (i.e. the USA) does NOT coincide with all the needs of all other countries but that we CAN have a decent working relationship where we recognise conflicting interests but have respect for each other and do our best to prevent those conflicting interests cause any major problems.
That's NOT 'trying to be all things to all people'!
So if he requested additional European assistance for Afghanistan...in a decent and nice way...not demanding or twisting any ones arm there....why only 5000 for training police and a couple of F-16?
I am not condemning the additional force level given, Rusty. Please understand that. Any additional help is appreciated. But we are headed into the Summer season....when the Taliban make their offenses. Additional NATO forces for that summer time offense(s)..is sorely needed. Those additional NATO force can help secure many of the non Taliban town and villages. Keep a lot of friendly Afghans alive if those offenses occurs.
I don't mind the US being the heavy combat fighter here. It was the US struck on 9/11. Just want NATO and Europe to show more resolve in this fight. Resolve means more man power commitment.
We (Europe and the US)lose in Afghanistan or even get substantial bent in the country....e.g. some ceasefire arrangement like there is in Pakistan.....then every radical Islamic cleric in the world points to it....just like they did went Russia pulled out....and says the west can be beaten.
That is not good for Europe or the US.
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It is just hard to trust anymore. I don't care for the people in his cabinet.
Don't really think so....he made it clear that as president of the US his main role is that of safeguarding his people's interests.....and that there are areas of disagreement even between the best of allies within the EU....
but it is not time to harp on the differences...but find solution of common interests and goals.....
in essence that was Obama's message in Europe