President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing? (122)
DazzleYou: This post is so wrong. Yes they were saudis, but they were trained in camps in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda was based in Afghanistan and the Taliban supported their work. When asked to give them up the Taliban refused. Therefore we went to war with Afghanistan.GWB didn't start the war with Iraq, Sodamn Insane started the war when he invaded Kuwait. George Bush Sr. stopped the push to Baghdad because they surrendered, but they never kept their end of the surrender. GWB returned to the original state of War after Sodamn Insane refused to comply with 14 U.N. Resolutions and terms of surrender.
Absolutely! Thank you for this post.
I am getting so sick of know it all people with a vengeance for GWB and complete ignorance of the facts try to make it easier on themselves to push an Obama agenda to the world.
He's not going to save you! He's not going to change that fact that there are people living in Michigan with dirt floors!! Guess what? There are people living everywhere with dirt floors~ it's no president's fault!
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DazzleYou: This post is so wrong. Yes they were saudis, but they were trained in camps in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda was based in Afghanistan and the Taliban supported their work. When asked to give them up the Taliban refused. Therefore we went to war with Afghanistan.GWB didn't start the war with Iraq, Sodamn Insane started the war when he invaded Kuwait. George Bush Sr. stopped the push to Baghdad because they surrendered, but they never kept their end of the surrender. GWB returned to the original state of War after Sodamn Insane refused to comply with 14 U.N. Resolutions and terms of surrender.
George W went against the UN in invading Iraq.
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I'll stick to Obama's visit this side of the Atlantic......
he has diffused the tension that had developed between American and European politicians in the Preceeding couple of decades.....
he has once again opened the road to friendship with the Russian Federation which had been totally booted tot he side with the arrogance of the previous American administration.......
he has also achieved laying the groundwork for larger co-operation between the nations of the more developed western sphere.....
and he has also re-established the US leadership built on respect rather then diktat.......
Wouldn't you call that achieving results after the mess the the previous US administration had made of it's role as World leader?
he has diffused the tension that had developed between American and European politicians in the Preceeding couple of decades.....
he has once again opened the road to friendship with the Russian Federation which had been totally booted tot he side with the arrogance of the previous American administration.......
he has also achieved laying the groundwork for larger co-operation between the nations of the more developed western sphere.....
and he has also re-established the US leadership built on respect rather then diktat.......
Wouldn't you call that achieving results after the mess the the previous US administration had made of it's role as World leader?
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I didn't watch all of Obama's trip but what I saw I liked. This was the first trip of a new American president from a different political party, a different racial make up, a different background, a different way of speaking, a different way of thinking, a different way of dealing with people, a different demeanor, a different approach to solving problems and a very different agenda.
What he did on this trip was to show himself to the rest of the world to give them the opportunity to take the measure of him. To me, one of the most telling events of his trip was when his wife Michelle put her arm around the Queen of England. That right there showed the world that things in American leadership were very different. Hail to the Queen for not making an issue out of it and hail to Michelle for being human.
I can only wonder how successful John McCain would have been on his first trip abroad. I believe it would have been a case of "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Yawn!
Barack Obama's election has electrified the American people and the world with hope.
Diehard Bush supporters will never accept him and will endeavor to tear him down at every chance they get as evidenced by this thread. Instead of kicking that SOB Bush in the pants followed by kicking him out of office, they chose to support his lunacy and they can't to this day, face the fact that Bush was a madman. He has singlehandedly destroyed the Grand Old Party but Republicans refuse to admit it and I guess they never will. I've noticed something though. Many, Republicans today are calling themselves Libertarians and Conservatives. Maybe it's time for them to start calling themselves Americans. Give the man a chance. If he screws up, I'll bring the feathers, somebody else can bring the tar and we'll have ourselves a grand old time.
But I'll tell ya, he's got a very long way to go to out do George Bush at being a screw up.
What he did on this trip was to show himself to the rest of the world to give them the opportunity to take the measure of him. To me, one of the most telling events of his trip was when his wife Michelle put her arm around the Queen of England. That right there showed the world that things in American leadership were very different. Hail to the Queen for not making an issue out of it and hail to Michelle for being human.
I can only wonder how successful John McCain would have been on his first trip abroad. I believe it would have been a case of "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Yawn!
Barack Obama's election has electrified the American people and the world with hope.
Diehard Bush supporters will never accept him and will endeavor to tear him down at every chance they get as evidenced by this thread. Instead of kicking that SOB Bush in the pants followed by kicking him out of office, they chose to support his lunacy and they can't to this day, face the fact that Bush was a madman. He has singlehandedly destroyed the Grand Old Party but Republicans refuse to admit it and I guess they never will. I've noticed something though. Many, Republicans today are calling themselves Libertarians and Conservatives. Maybe it's time for them to start calling themselves Americans. Give the man a chance. If he screws up, I'll bring the feathers, somebody else can bring the tar and we'll have ourselves a grand old time.
But I'll tell ya, he's got a very long way to go to out do George Bush at being a screw up.
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ooby_dooby: Maybe it's time for them to start calling themselves Americans. Give the man a chance. If he screws up, I'll bring the feathers, somebody else can bring the tar and we'll have ourselves a grand old time.
Fair enough!
In response to: But I'll tell ya, he's got a very long way to go to out do George Bush at being a screw up.
I disagree, but time will tell! We have no choice BUT to give him a chance really.
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NeWildflower: Fair enough!
I disagree, but time will tell! We have no choice BUT to give him a chance really.
I disagree, but time will tell! We have no choice BUT to give him a chance really.
I concede all to have the right of an opinion......but in as far as GWB's achievements I would suggest one takes a good look at the rest of the world's views on the matter just a few months back.....
....believe me.....I have nev3er in all my life witnessed so much anti-US feelings in the EU as during his administration.....
Obama has successfully reversed that and there is obvious respect....and therefore collaboration......to the US once again leading the free world in this new century....
It stats with trust.....and nobody this end of the globe trusted Bush and his cronies I am afraid.....
Obama has regained that trust.....
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gozoman2: I concede all to have the right of an opinion......but in as far as GWB's achievements I would suggest one takes a good look at the rest of the world's views on the matter just a few months back.....
....believe me.....I have nev3er in all my life witnessed so much anti-US feelings in the EU as during his administration.....
Obama has successfully reversed that and there is obvious respect....and therefore collaboration......to the US once again leading the free world in this new century....
It stats with trust.....and nobody this end of the globe trusted Bush and his cronies I am afraid.....
Obama has regained that trust.....
....believe me.....I have nev3er in all my life witnessed so much anti-US feelings in the EU as during his administration.....
Obama has successfully reversed that and there is obvious respect....and therefore collaboration......to the US once again leading the free world in this new century....
It stats with trust.....and nobody this end of the globe trusted Bush and his cronies I am afraid.....
Obama has regained that trust.....
Not yet, there is a lot to do. As to me he seem to have fresh ideas and world view, but he should prove his goals by appropriate actions...
As regards Bush, if not 9/11 he would be just an average president, this allowed him to be at the centre of publicity...
otherwise there would be nothing to mention about him in the world history
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jetdevil2001: Not yet, there is a lot to do. As to me he seem to have fresh ideas and world view, but he should prove his goals by appropriate actions...
As regards Bush, if not 9/11 he would be just an average president, this allowed him to be at the centre of publicity...
otherwise there would be nothing to mention about him in the world history
As regards Bush, if not 9/11 he would be just an average president, this allowed him to be at the centre of publicity...
otherwise there would be nothing to mention about him in the world history
Oh for sure......never said that Obama has solved the problems that humankind faces......
....but for the first time in a very long time, at least in Europe, there is common consensus that this man evokes trust.....and that is one huge step for a leader who needs all the support he can get to be able to deliver.....
In his messages Obama has undertaken one principal....we are but one Tribe.....Humankind....
....and if we are to solve the problems facing us, we must do it together.
We have no other choice.
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gozoman2: Oh for sure......never said that Obama has solved the problems that humankind faces......
....but for the first time in a very long time, at least in Europe, there is common consensus that this man evokes trust.....and that is one huge step for a leader who needs all the support he can get to be able to deliver.....
In his messages Obama has undertaken one principal....we are but one Tribe.....Humankind....
....and if we are to solve the problems facing us, we must do it together.
We have no other choice.
....but for the first time in a very long time, at least in Europe, there is common consensus that this man evokes trust.....and that is one huge step for a leader who needs all the support he can get to be able to deliver.....
In his messages Obama has undertaken one principal....we are but one Tribe.....Humankind....
....and if we are to solve the problems facing us, we must do it together.
We have no other choice.
But... he is not the only one telling it...
That guy, first of all should stop being a symbol or a kind of an idol, we had many of such in past, still... we will see, what will be in a year
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gozoman2: Oh for sure......never said that Obama has solved the problems that humankind faces......
....but for the first time in a very long time, at least in Europe, there is common consensus that this man evokes trust.....and that is one huge step for a leader who needs all the support he can get to be able to deliver.....
In his messages Obama has undertaken one principal....we are but one Tribe.....Humankind....
....and if we are to solve the problems facing us, we must do it together.
We have no other choice.
....but for the first time in a very long time, at least in Europe, there is common consensus that this man evokes trust.....and that is one huge step for a leader who needs all the support he can get to be able to deliver.....
In his messages Obama has undertaken one principal....we are but one Tribe.....Humankind....
....and if we are to solve the problems facing us, we must do it together.
We have no other choice.
Like Obama said 'I am not naive' but the man is an optimistic realist and he has a brain that, for whatever reason, is capable of seeing the other person's point of view.
He hasn't given us Europeans crap - he has quite firmly said that his country (the USA) is his priority and 'Yes' to the question when posed that the USA still has a LEADERSHIP role to play but he is prepared to do it in a style that isn't bullying and coercion!
He acknowledges that we are all different and that we all have different agendas and priorities.
Shame on the Republican for knocking him down on being ineffectual over North Korea - Obama clearly and firmly said that the international community should make very clear that North Korea should be condemned for going against the UN missile resolution even though it is also a right of every nation to use space exploration peacefully.
Shame on both Russia and China for grabbing the opportunity to undermine Obama immediately by calling for North Korea to be treated with kid gloves - they (Russia & China) have their own agenda and it will be a real test of Obama's character and determination and diplomatic skills to reach an accord and decent 'working relationship' with these two powers that pose a far greater potential threat than a few thousand dedicated terrorists.
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jetdevil2001: But... he is not the only one telling it...
That guy, first of all should stop being a symbol or a kind of an idol, we had many of such in past, still... we will see, what will be in a year
That guy, first of all should stop being a symbol or a kind of an idol, we had many of such in past, still... we will see, what will be in a year
....again totally agree in what you say.....
...but one does make a bit more noise when he is the leader of one of the most if not the most powerful nation on this planet no?
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jetdevil2001: But... he is not the only one telling it...
That guy, first of all should stop being a symbol or a kind of an idol, we had many of such in past, still... we will see, what will be in a year
That guy, first of all should stop being a symbol or a kind of an idol, we had many of such in past, still... we will see, what will be in a year
I don't think the power has gone to his head (not yet anyway)....... he comes across as a genuinely decent kind of guy and doesn't have to pretend to be interested in people - no fake 'glad-handing with the ignorant peasants as a chore one has to do now and again' - no, he's either genuine or a better actor than those in the movies!
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wixomwizard: He managed to piss a lot of Britts off.
Well I wasnt to sure about him to start with,but i had decided just maybe I was wrong.But as everyone knows there is no such thing as being both christian and muslim.So to stand in the face of two countries and lie like a rug,says to me that hes one of two things alright,either he will say or do whatever he thinks will pacify the sheep,or he thinks he can just do whatever he pleases and get by with it.Which is scary.------ This thread is Archived ------
rusty_knight: Like Obama said 'I am not naive' but the man is an optimistic realist and he has a brain that, for whatever reason, is capable of seeing the other person's point of view.
He hasn't given us Europeans crap - he has quite firmly said that his country (the USA) is his priority and 'Yes' to the question when posed that the USA still has a LEADERSHIP role to play but he is prepared to do it in a style that isn't bullying and coercion!
He acknowledges that we are all different and that we all have different agendas and priorities.
Shame on the Republican for knocking him down on being ineffectual over North Korea - Obama clearly and firmly said that the international community should make very clear that North Korea should be condemned for going against the UN missile resolution even though it is also a right of every nation to use space exploration peacefully.
Shame on both Russia and China for grabbing the opportunity to undermine Obama immediately by calling for North Korea to be treated with kid gloves - they (Russia & China) have their own agenda and it will be a real test of Obama's character and determination and diplomatic skills to reach an accord and decent 'working relationship' with these two powers that pose a far greater potential threat than a few thousand dedicated terrorists.
He hasn't given us Europeans crap - he has quite firmly said that his country (the USA) is his priority and 'Yes' to the question when posed that the USA still has a LEADERSHIP role to play but he is prepared to do it in a style that isn't bullying and coercion!
He acknowledges that we are all different and that we all have different agendas and priorities.
Shame on the Republican for knocking him down on being ineffectual over North Korea - Obama clearly and firmly said that the international community should make very clear that North Korea should be condemned for going against the UN missile resolution even though it is also a right of every nation to use space exploration peacefully.
Shame on both Russia and China for grabbing the opportunity to undermine Obama immediately by calling for North Korea to be treated with kid gloves - they (Russia & China) have their own agenda and it will be a real test of Obama's character and determination and diplomatic skills to reach an accord and decent 'working relationship' with these two powers that pose a far greater potential threat than a few thousand dedicated terrorists.
And again the same... Do you really think that Russia and China are interested in N.Korea's provocation, these two great countries in past and future, just want to solve this matter peacefully, but not like US government did it always, dooming countries into chaos, Russia and China border on N. Korea, thus, they are unwilling in driving the situation over the edge. As for Russia, they are always open for negotiations and cooperation in all affairs in comparison with the USA, when it always advisedly foced the situation with Russia. Medvedev proved out to be a true leader with democratic views, just look what Russian government doing to protect and support socially its citizens both socially and financially
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The man sure likes to talk, he be good at pep rally's. Other than that what is his wife wearing. I think he like playing the great savior role.....We Will See....If he can get things turned around. In Europe and the world oh I forgot he is going to fix everything.....
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gooddogman: The man sure likes to talk, he be good at pep rally's. Other than that what is his wife wearing. I think he like playing the great savior role.....We Will See....If he can get things turned around. In Europe and the world oh I forgot he is going to fix everything.....
...maybe so...maybe not......but he sure got a knack of getting people round a table to talk rather then bomb the hell out of them....
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rusty_knight: I don't think the power has gone to his head (not yet anyway)....... he comes across as a genuinely decent kind of guy and doesn't have to pretend to be interested in people - no fake 'glad-handing with the ignorant peasants as a chore one has to do now and again' - no, he's either genuine or a better actor than those in the movies!
I meant many people nowadays go mad about him in some way, I see this even here and that is all just because of his age and origine, but he behaves with dignity and people should see in him an US Presidet but not a kind of a pop star or messiah. But there is something symbolic in his coming... he is in the worst situation a president can imagine, an almost total disaster of the financial system, he should find way out of this... first, I think, stop, at least partially, copying the steps of Roosevelt’s "The New Deal", cause spending more then you can afford may lead to insolvency, just imagine if China refuses to buy US bond...
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gozoman2: ...maybe so...maybe not......but he sure got a knack of getting people round a table to talk rather then bomb the hell out of them....
As long as he isn't giving the farm away...I wish him to do well.
It is just hard to trust anymore. I don't care for the people in his cabinet.
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jetdevil2001: I meant many people nowadays go mad about him in some way, I see this even here and that is all just because of his age and origine, but he behaves with dignity and people should see in him an US Presidet but not a kind of a pop star or messiah. But there is something symbolic in his coming... he is in the worst situation a president can imagine, an almost total disaster of the financial system, he should find way out of this... first, I think, stop, at least partially, copying the steps of Roosevelt’s "The New Deal", cause spending more then you can afford may lead to insolvency, just imagine if China refuses to buy US bond...
agreeing or not......the global situation today is all countries...not just China....have everything to loose if the US does not recover economically....as it will...eventually...
...it is glaringly obvious that today's world is no longer made up of us and them.....but us.....and if any part of us goes down the drain...we all feel the pinch...
Obama is certainly no messiah......but at least he is clearly stating the obvious.....and as leader of the US...that is one good breath of fresh air for a change coming from that country....
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Good answer, and accurate.