sasseezlakes entrance, Victoria Australia3,150 posts
the trouble is half of cs is lying about somthing and its dam annoying when all you want to do is trust someone, you shouldnt have to be on guard all the time.
gingerb: Lying about anything is never acceptable.
An out and out lie that will cause hurt and devastation is never acceptable, hello you.
I would not be devastated about a person who lied on a profile about their age, if I ask that person to explain to me why they did that and I found their reason acceptable then I would be happy.
PPV announced in his profile that he had five camels up for a father whose daughter he could date?
To date, those camels have never arrived at my father's doorstep.
I am using perhaps bad examples and taking the mickey a bit, but I fail to look too deep into a situation that means that this woman is not happy within herself that she had to lie, and all sorts of assumptions are made.
I saw - A woamn told me she was 38 and she is really 45.
FM is not 72, it does not make him a person with problems and a liar.
That is where I am coming from and misleading information can soon be cleared up.
Lying in a relationship is wrong, yet if we look at lies and really go deeper with this, we lie to our children that Santa Claus exists and the tooth fairy. We make up fairy stories, we write jokes that have never happened.
Those boundaries are acceptable for me, lies and dishonestly with malicious intent are not acceptable. In any form.
symbolistartistHanko, Southern Finland Finland761 posts
guiriman: you shouldn't feel targeted .. it wasn't my intention .. I am speaking about people who flagrantly use false profiles .. I can only imagine to deceive people .. not your case at all .. and yes .. I too find it strange that people are so ready to defend liars.
If I really believed the site was full of people with false profiles, I would leave as I wouldn't see any real reason to stay .. I don't think that is the case ...but there some in use everyday.
No I really didn't mean it seriously since mine really is hidden, it was a kind of half-joke. But it's sad and strange that people feel a need to do these things, really makes me want to hide away from the world... on the other hand there are decent people too
symbolistartistHanko, Southern Finland Finland761 posts
Sommerauer71: An out and out lie that will cause hurt and devastation is never acceptable, hello you.
I would not be devastated about a person who lied on a profile about their age, if I ask that person to explain to me why they did that and I found their reason acceptable then I would be happy.
PPV announced in his profile that he had five camels up for a father whose daughter he could date?
To date, those camels have never arrived at my father's doorstep.
I am using perhaps bad examples and taking the mickey a bit, but I fail to look too deep into a situation that means that this woman is not happy within herself that she had to lie, and all sorts of assumptions are made.
I saw - A woamn told me she was 38 and she is really 45.
FM is not 72, it does not make him a person with problems and a liar.
That is where I am coming from and misleading information can soon be cleared up.
Lying in a relationship is wrong, yet if we look at lies and really go deeper with this, we lie to our children that Santa Claus exists and the tooth fairy. We make up fairy stories, we write jokes that have never happened.
Those boundaries are acceptable for me, lies and dishonestly with malicious intent are not acceptable. In any form.
That is my view on the topic in hand.
I think that in order to have gotten your point about people "lying" about their age one would have had to read what your wrote quite carefully. Perhaps it wasn't so obviuos to everyone that you talked about people who joke about their age. I think that sort of joke is quite obvious though. But if someone takes off ten years of their real age it really doesn't sound like a joke. It simply sounds stupid. I can't personally think of a single thing I would ever have lied about that was NOT a joke... I don't see the point. But of course that doesn't guarantee that I'm a saint in all other ways too LOL.
symbolistartist: I think that in order to have gotten your point about people "lying" about their age one would have had to read what your wrote quite carefully. Perhaps it wasn't so obviuos to everyone that you talked about people who joke about their age. I think that sort of joke is quite obvious though. But if someone takes off ten years of their real age it really doesn't sound like a joke. It simply sounds stupid. I can't personally think of a single thing I would ever have lied about that was NOT a joke... I don't see the point. But of course that doesn't guarantee that I'm a saint in all other ways too LOL.
Hi symbol.
This is often the problem and I have been guilty of it too, that people do not read carefully.
Maybe it was not so obvious, but I did use an example that could have been checked very easily.
But what gets to me, is the 'I never lie about anything' and condeming a person who has lied about their age.
It could have been a simple mistake, my point is now very clear in that we all have lied about something in our existence, there is a difference to me, in a harmless situation where a person lies about something and it can be cleared up than a lie that is with malicious intent.
Lying about ones age is pretty pointless to me, especially on entry to a new relationship, again, if you are hoping to find the one person and it lasts forever, then having to fess up about that lie is pretty much evident and the longer it went on the harder it is going to be.
That is wrong, because then that is misleading a person and that is never right, then the subject of whether it is acceptable from my point of view would change, because then it is not the fact that they have lied about their age, it would be deeper and the attempt to deceive me would be very much raised and questioned.
If perfect dream has been in this relationship for months and has found out by accident then only he can decide if is acceptable, it would not be to me. But if it is a person who I was meeting for the first time, then it would be something that I would clear up fairly quickly and be done with it.
I do not see the point in falsehoods, but I am not going to condemn a person and label them with titles because of a couple of sentences.
My point of view only and up for question should anybody wish to discuss. Not up for changing and altering to suit themselves.
symbolistartistHanko, Southern Finland Finland761 posts
Sommerauer71: Hi symbol.
This is often the problem and I have been guilty of it too, that people do not read carefully.
Maybe it was not so obvious, but I did use an example that could have been checked very easily.
But what gets to me, is the 'I never lie about anything' and condeming a person who has lied about their age.
It could have been a simple mistake, my point is now very clear in that we all have lied about something in our existence, there is a difference to me, in a harmless situation where a person lies about something and it can be cleared up than a lie that is with malicious intent.
Lying about ones age is pretty pointless to me, especially on entry to a new relationship, again, if you are hoping to find the one person and it lasts forever, then having to fess up about that lie is pretty much evident and the longer it went on the harder it is going to be.
That is wrong, because then that is misleading a person and that is never right, then the subject of whether it is acceptable from my point of view would change, because then it is not the fact that they have lied about their age, it would be deeper and the attempt to deceive me would be very much raised and questioned.
If perfect dream has been in this relationship for months and has found out by accident then only he can decide if is acceptable, it would not be to me. But if it is a person who I was meeting for the first time, then it would be something that I would clear up fairly quickly and be done with it.
I do not see the point in falsehoods, but I am not going to condemn a person and label them with titles because of a couple of sentences.
My point of view only and up for question should anybody wish to discuss. Not up for changing and altering to suit themselves.
I get your point and I made a similar one some 10-20 pages further down the line, however this to me sounds condemning: "But what gets to me, is the 'I never lie about anything' and condeming a person who has lied about their age." I don't understand what grounds you have to make this sort of assumption. Surely people who don't like to lie would not particularly like the idea of other people lying either?
symbolistartistHanko, Southern Finland Finland761 posts
guiriman: it don't ..
so far I found out today .. santa ain't real .. you ain't a saint .. and .. I'm not perfect ... bad bad day ..
Well nothing I said was meant to refer to you in any way... just so you know Imperfection is what makes the world go round, keeps us on our toes and gives us something to bicker about.
Well, me neither I dont het why people lie about stuff like age.. -it would also make me think this person clearly is capable of ebing dishonest i their personal relationships, and also that she is uncomfortable with herself as she is..
incidentally, I also dont tell my children about the tooth fairy, or santa claus, -except for my youngest daughter who insisted that the tooth fairy DID exist.. because she really really wanted a coin under her pillow,- so I agreed with a wink in my eye--
But as soon as the coin was lifted, she also admitted that it 'probably was me..' after all...
No, I think in 2009 (as someone stated at the beginning of the thread) it is just childish and foolish to have to lie within personal relationships..
symbolistartist: Dear Stevvy, what I really had in mind was someone max 6 years older, so in fact considering that I'm close to my birthday we just MIGHT be able to squeeze that one in... However as I'm getting tired of second guessing whether men are lying or not ...........
Yo wont be more tired with me guessing if I am laying or not. Yes I do.
I've resorted to following the Chinese horoscope. According to which three years my senior would be perfect! Can you go and change the constellation of your stars somehow...
symbolistartist: Totally unacceptable. If someone is here to find a partner for real, then why lie at all? It's ludicrous. I don't get the "it's quite normal to lie about things" thing. I'd ditch the person at once.
I agree! I am a woman and I do not lie about my age to anyone!
symbolistartistHanko, Southern Finland Finland761 posts
Steevyv: No problem. Changed. Now I am 45.
Cool! So are you into art, cats and qigong, a non/smoker and non/drinker too? And honest. Obviously old enough not to want more children? I bet you are, most guys I meet are!
perfectdream2005: Here is my story - I found a very interesting woman here in CS, a lot of common interests etc , but later I accidently found out that in real life she is not 38 years old as it was said in her profile, but some 7 years older. What would be your reaction in such a situation? Is this acceptable?
I guess, I were disappointed at first - but I would continue with the relationship.
symbolistartist: Truth to say Sommer, I don't quite get the point of this argument so I rather call it a day if you don't mind. I think it's normal to categorize, and though I'm a flexible person there are some moral standards that I rather hold onto
I did not realise their was an argument, but then I am still at work.
It is normal to catergorise, but it is not normal to label people I don't know.
That is a moral standard that I hold onto. Amongst others.
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