I don't believe in "atheists," can anybody prove "atheists" exist? ( Archived) (933)

Also to anonymous


It looks like after a whole bunch of nonsense we are still at the begiining.

You are basically trying to ask an impossible question as to all the requirements you are asking for. The question is not impossible, just all of the limitations you have put into it.



You are basically asking for proof of belief, while at the same time stating that belief does not exist. Or that belief is not proof of anything.

The definition of an atheist, christian, muslim, etc is " a person who believes.....( fill in the blank)". Then you want to question if a belief is even possible. Then you go on to say that YOU do BELIEVE in people, just not people who believe something. Do you not see the irony here? You will not accept the fact that people can believe something, while at the same time professing to BELIEVE something youself. You have already admitted to the ability of yourself to believe in something, so why won't you accept that someone else can believe in something different than you?


I am not clear what it is you are really trying to acomplish, other than to try and ruffle a few feathers.

If your postion is that no one truly believes anything, and by the same token there are no christians, muslims, jehovah;s witness', buhdists, atheists, agnostics, etc, then I guess I have nothing else to say. You have denied that belief itself exists. I am not sure how you could reconcile that with your christian perspective, but that is your own business.


And for all your word games- did christins exist before the word "christian". You know, i don't bleieve that jesus ever said one word in english. So did christians exist before the english language? OR, IS THE WORD AND DEFINITION FOR SOMETHING INDEPENDENT OF THE THING ITSELF?

If I see a fire, and a spanish speaking person comes along and says " fuego!". Has the fire somehow changed? Has its existance or properties changed even a little? Or is it simply a manner of language trying to define what and communicate something.

The language we use also evolves and usage and definitions are always changing. Why do they keep publishing new dictionaries?This does not have any bearing on the reality of the world, just how we communicate it to each other. Every group and sub group of people have their own language and manner of speaking, even within the same language structure. Talk to a preson from England, and america. We both speak english, but there are some very different word uses and spellings. Now talk to a california surfer, and a guy from the deep south. You may wonder if they are speaking the same language. None of the language differences have made any impact on the nature of the universe, just how we try to quantify and commicate to one another. If you want to start a language discussion or a topic on definitions do that, but make it a separate discussion. Get over it already.

If two scientists from different countries get together to work on an experiment, do you think that they spend a great deal of time disagreeing on the different wording about the things they both already know to be true? Or do they get to understand that they both agree on the same concepts , even though they use a different language to express them?


Jw

God means lord last time i checked not creator.
Thats that creationist crap IMO.

NATURE IS THE ONLY CREATURE

nature is not god
nature is balance
nature is fair
nature doesnt judge
natura baby

I love nature.

If you dont respect the laws of nature,you will be crushed.
And while nature provides everything, some nuthead decided to call it god.
Thank you very much,NOT

I was not mentioning the word "God" but the Greeek word "Theos" one of the many explanations of what it means is creator (haing the roots in the verb "tithimi" - free translation "puting things together" used to show the acts of a creator (HERODOT)).
But there are a lot of other theories about the roots of the word "Theos". I just choose one of them that was more suitable for me.
About the word "God" most probably you are right i do not know

Did anonymous give up on this topic? I find that hard to believe.

Oh well, life goes on. I will try and carry on somewhow, someway.

Atheists don't believe they are atheists.
Atheists don't believe some hocus pocus written on a book was written by an invisible man in the sky, that fact makes them atheists.
Atheists only accept as TEMPORARILY true what can be scientifically proven according to our current knowledge; for atheists a truth is only valid for as long as another well thought-out theory provides a more simple or complete explanation for that phenomenon.
Those facts make atheists atheists.
Playing with semantics and using ontological arguments is another thing atheists don't believe in.
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