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Sep 19, 2009 7:44 AM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
Mulberry4000: i could not agree with you more best wishes
and what's that got to do with it?confused
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Sep 19, 2009 7:47 AM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
Scubadiva
ScubadivaScubadivaNew Jersey, USA106 Threads 11 Polls 2,689 Posts
RayfromUSA: I already showed in a post above that Ahmadinejad never made that statement or anything like it.
It was a false translation by Haeretz that put those words in his mouth.


The Bush League and Israel have mounted a big campaign to twist Ahmadinejad's words and pretend that he threatened war against Israel when he never did.

They can't tell the truth because it would be too lame.

What if Bush had told the truth:

"The Iranian president has quoted Ayatollah Khomeini, who died seventeen years ago, as saying 'the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time?'"
Pretty lame, huh?

Or if Bush had said the truth about Iran's nuclear program,

"Given ten years time, Iran might be able to build a single nuclear weapon to use against Israel, which itself has had a couple hundred nukes for quite awhile?"
Pretty lame, too.

So the Bush leaguers had to jazz up the story some.

They said to themselves:
"Here's how we'll spin it,
We'll say Ahmadinejad has stated publicly that he wants to wipe Israel off the map. And since Iran is trying to enrich uranium for its nuclear power plants, we'll say that Iran plans to nuke Israel.


That was my understanding as well. The translator, an American of Iranian descent, spoke on this issue on NPR about a year ago and explained the entire circumstances.

This is just good press and populist propaganda because we need a new enemy.

I'm not going to say that he didn't say such things in Iran to suck up to the Iranian Redneck equivalents, but such is politics. I still maintain that this is much ado about nothing.
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Sep 19, 2009 7:48 AM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
Englishman55
Englishman55Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK31 Threads 2 Polls 6,405 Posts
Tbilisigal: Too much propaganda about Iran . Sad . where in the world we got an Idea about the "currupt" Iranina goverment ? . Why we are not seeing the "currupt" Afgan govermetn who rigged the poll ? Why we are not seeing a more corrupt nuclear Pakistani govemrnet who hate Israel more that Arabs do ? Why we choose to Ignore the biggest lie "WMD" that killed millions in Iraq ? .Iran has all the right to develop a nuclear weapon to use as a detterent and nobody can stop that espescially most of its regional players have got it .Israel,Pakistan,China ,russia and India, West cannot expect Iran to fight with Knife whe they got all the guns .


Well Said thumbs up
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Sep 19, 2009 7:56 AM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
Tbilisigal: Too much propaganda about Iran . Sad . where in the world we got an Idea about the "currupt" Iranina goverment ? . Why we are not seeing the "currupt" Afgan govermetn who rigged the poll ? Why we are not seeing a more corrupt nuclear Pakistani govemrnet who hate Israel more that Arabs do ? Why we choose to Ignore the biggest lie "WMD" that killed millions in Iraq ? .Iran has all the right to develop a nuclear weapon to use as a detterent and nobody can stop that espescially most of its regional players have got it .Israel,Pakistan,China ,russia and India, West cannot expect Iran to fight with Knife whe they got all the guns .
Up to your Old Rhetoric again I see!
Still as Anti-Semite as ever!thumbs down
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Sep 19, 2009 8:28 AM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
armadilo
armadiloarmadiloteh, Iran2 Posts
he always say many things
now in iran no one accept him as president he stand in president chair whit military power
he isnt our president
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Sep 19, 2009 8:33 AM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixparis, Ile-de-France France89 Threads 23 Polls 2,325 Posts
Tbilisigal: Too much propaganda about Iran . Sad . where in the world we got an Idea about the "currupt" Iranina goverment ? . Why we are not seeing the "currupt" Afgan govermetn who rigged the poll ? Why we are not seeing a more corrupt nuclear Pakistani govemrnet who hate Israel more that Arabs do ? Why we choose to Ignore the biggest lie "WMD" that killed millions in Iraq ? .Iran has all the right to develop a nuclear weapon to use as a detterent and nobody can stop that espescially most of its regional players have got it .Israel,Pakistan,China ,russia and India, West cannot expect Iran to fight with Knife whe they got all the guns .



I salut youcheers
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Sep 19, 2009 8:37 AM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
Brewer
BrewerBrewerJacksonville, Florida USA1 Threads 73 Posts
Overthrow him then!

We have a saying here, "Liberty or Death". Trouble is if US topples him it will never be regarded as legitimate. If the people gain their own freedom then it has a chance to last.
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Sep 19, 2009 8:50 AM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
Brewer: Overthrow him then!

We have a saying here, "Liberty or Death". Trouble is if US topples him it will never be regarded as legitimate. If the people gain their own freedom then it has a chance to last.
Brewer, welcome to the site and welcome to my thread. Always good to hear from someone with a brain! When you respond to someone click the "QUOTE" button so everybody will know who you are responding to.cheers
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Sep 19, 2009 9:01 AM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
Brewer
BrewerBrewerJacksonville, Florida USA1 Threads 73 Posts
ooby_dooby: Brewer, welcome to the site and welcome to my thread. Always good to hear from someone with a brain! When you respond to someone click the "QUOTE" button so everybody will know who you are responding to.


I know, I just goofed that one.
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Sep 19, 2009 12:04 PM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
roseofsharon
roseofsharonroseofsharonmanchester, Hampshire, England UK60 Threads 3 Polls 8,699 Posts
Even if the Holocaust was a “myth” I am uncertain as to how that equates to Israel needing to be “wiped off the map”....?!

There is historical documentary evidence to prove otherwise. But then if there are those whom choose to believe in what hasn't been proved to exist, can we be surprised there are those who will be convinced that something didn't happen, despite proof?!
confused

roll eyes doh
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Sep 19, 2009 12:11 PM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
guide
guideguidethessaloniki, Central Macedonia Greece50 Posts
RayfromUSA: In international diplomacy, the job of translation is always the job of the speaker's own team of translators,
never the translators of other nations.

Those nations might have their own translators, but only the speaker's own translators can be trusted to faithfully interpret what the speaker says.

So when Ahmadinejad speaks, the only valid translation to English is that effected by his own translators. But Ooby_Dooby has quoted translations that came from Haeretz, an Israeli news agency with ties to the Israeli government.

Could we trust Iran to translate speeches by the Israeli Prime Minister into English?
No, of course not.

And by the same token we can't trust Israel's translation of the Iranian president's speeches.

For example:
We have often heard that Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be wiped of the face of the map.

But he never said anything like that.

What he said, in a speech to Iranian youth was a direct quote from the late Ayatollah Khoumeini:

" ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ??? "

"The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time"

So there was absolutely no threat of violence or war. Just a citation from Khoumeini wishing for the eventual end of the Zionist occupational régime.

I echo that wish.

It's nothing but hypocrisy to accuse Iran of agressive intent on the basis of such seriously twisted translations.

What country on earth has invaded or orchestrated coups in more foreign nations than any other nation in history?

Not Iran.

What nations occupy the territory of other nations at this moment?

Not Iran.

What countries have huge stocpiles of nuclear weapoons?

Not Iran.

What countries are itching for war?

Not Iran.




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Sep 19, 2009 12:56 PM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
armadilo: he always say many things
now in iran no one accept him as president he stand in president chair whit military power
he isnt our president
interesting post....
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Sep 19, 2009 2:15 PM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
lonelycowboy101
lonelycowboy101lonelycowboy101Caro, Michigan USA9 Threads 6 Polls 441 Posts
Mulberry4000: i could not agree with you more best wishes

Get real where do you guy's come up with some of this .If he translated it different than what it was intended the translator would be found beheaded . and what most people don't realize is most Irianian peole speak some english . If it was not translater correctly it would be corrected instantly . Are you telling me with all the highly inteligent people that are listening to the speaches they wouldn't bring this up . what that is a bigger conspiracy than anything I hav ever heard , I supose when they are chanting in the streets Death to america death to Isreal they are realy saying come here let me give you a hug .
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Sep 20, 2009 4:45 PM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
lonelycowboy101: Man get Real!!... He said it face it. I have friends that lived in Iraq they will tell you exactly what he said and why he said it.


Yeah??? well I have friends who were present at the time and videotaped the whole speech and they will tell you exactly what he said. And play the videotape to prove you wrong.

Oh here they come now.


First the lie as it is generally presented.
False claims about what was said.



Now what was actually said.



Here's an exact quote of what he said in Farsi.

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

According to Farsi-language expert Juan Cole, and even right-wing services like MEMRI, the correct translation of what Ahmadinejad said is:

"The Imam said that this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

Ahmadinejad was being prophetic, not threatening.
He was citing Imam Khomeini, who said this line in the 1980s (a period when Israel was still selling arms to Iran, so apparently it was not viewed as a ghastly threat then).

In his speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad had just reminded his audience that the Shah's regime, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein had all, at one time, seemed enormously powerful, yet the first two had vanished almost beyond recall and the third was now in prison. So, too, the "occupying regime" in Jerusalem would someday be gone.

His message was, in essence, "This too shall pass."
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Sep 20, 2009 4:59 PM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
lonelycowboy101
lonelycowboy101lonelycowboy101Caro, Michigan USA9 Threads 6 Polls 441 Posts
RayfromUSA: Yeah??? well I have friends who were present at the time and videotaped the whole speech and they will tell you exactly what he said. And play the videotape to prove you wrong.

Oh here they come now.First the lie as it is generally presented.
False claims about what was said.



Now what was actually said.



Here's an exact quote of what he said in Farsi.

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

According to Farsi-language expert Juan Cole, and even right-wing services like MEMRI, the correct translation of what Ahmadinejad said is:

"The Imam said that this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

Ahmadinejad was being prophetic, not threatening.
He was citing Imam Khomeini, who said this line in the 1980s (a period when Israel was still selling arms to Iran, so apparently it was not viewed as a ghastly threat then).

In his speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad had just reminded his audience that the Shah's regime, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein had all, at one time, seemed enormously powerful, yet the first two had vanished almost beyond recall and the third was now in prison. So, too, the "occupying regime" in Jerusalem would someday be gone.

His message was, in essence, "This too shall pass."

Are you trying to say that the entire world let this go On ?
I was wondering do you know what the twelth Iman is ? I respect everyone's feelings but He belives he is the prophet that must bring about the return through a war .
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Sep 20, 2009 5:07 PM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
lonelycowboy101
lonelycowboy101lonelycowboy101Caro, Michigan USA9 Threads 6 Polls 441 Posts
RayfromUSA: Yeah??? well I have friends who were present at the time and videotaped the whole speech and they will tell you exactly what he said. And play the videotape to prove you wrong.

Oh here they come now.First the lie as it is generally presented.
False claims about what was said.



Now what was actually said.



Here's an exact quote of what he said in Farsi.

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

According to Farsi-language expert Juan Cole, and even right-wing services like MEMRI, the correct translation of what Ahmadinejad said is:

"The Imam said that this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

Ahmadinejad was being prophetic, not threatening.
He was citing Imam Khomeini, who said this line in the 1980s (a period when Israel was still selling arms to Iran, so apparently it was not viewed as a ghastly threat then).

In his speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad had just reminded his audience that the Shah's regime, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein had all, at one time, seemed enormously powerful, yet the first two had vanished almost beyond recall and the third was now in prison. So, too, the "occupying regime" in Jerusalem would someday be gone.

His message was, in essence, "This too shall pass."


I went up and looked at the link, It looks like it is from One of the conspiracy sites. The people in the middle east Know exactly what was said and what he plans to do .
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Sep 20, 2009 5:23 PM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
In response to rays diatribe, there is a great line in the NEW YORK POST

"It’s like a a lawyer who is defending a client accused of threatening to kill someone saying: “Well, Your Honour, my client did say he intended to murder the victim. But since then he’s moderated his intentions considerably, demonstrated by the fact that on at least one occasion he’s said merely that the victim will die"

rolling on the floor laughing
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Sep 20, 2009 5:37 PM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
lonelycowboy101
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Are you trying to say that the entire world let this go On ?
I was wondering do you know what the twelth Iman is ? I respect everyone's feelings but He belives he is the prophet that must bring about the return through a war .


I live in the entire world cowboy.
You're the one who's out of touch.
You can't help it, because all of your information is filtered through the US news media.

For instance.
The US media will claim that the US is helping Pakistan fight of the Taliban.

But then, the US created the Taliban in the first place, trained and armed them, and still arms them to this day.

Or do you think they make their own arms, or buy them?
From whom, and with what income?

The Taliban are a US invention. Just like Al Qaida.

Americans think the US is helping Pakistan.
And what do Pakistanis think?

A survey commissioned by Al Jazeera in Pakistan has revealed a widespread disenchantment with the United States for interfering with what most people consider internal Pakistani affairs.

The polling was conducted by Gallup Pakistan, an affiliate of the Gallup International polling group, and more than 2,600 people took part.

Interviews were conducted across the political spectrum in all four of the country’s provinces, and represented men and women of every economic and ethnic background.

When respondents were asked what they consider to be the biggest threat to the nation of Pakistan, an overwhelming number, 59% of respondents, said the greatest threat to Pakistan right now is, in fact, the US.

Two years ago, a worldwide survey asked people what nation they considered to be the biggest threat to world peace.
And the US won that one too.

So, to answer your question.

No, I don't think the whole world is involved with covering up the truth about what Ahmadinejad said.
Most of the world knows very well what he said.

But most people in the US and Britain don't know, because the media distorts the truth.
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Sep 20, 2009 5:46 PM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
rizlared: In response to rays diatribe, there is a great line in the NEW YORK POST

"It’s like a a lawyer who is defending a client accused of threatening to kill someone saying: “Well, Your Honour, my client did say he intended to murder the victim. But since then he’s moderated his intentions considerably, demonstrated by the fact that on at least one occasion he’s said merely that the victim will die"


Typical American distortion.

Ahmadinejad didn't say he intends to kill anybody or invade anybody.

What he said (in essence) was that one day, the régime illegally and brutally occupying Palestine (for over 60 years now) will pass from the pages of time.

I know he is right about that, It is even promised by Jesus himself (in Luke 21), and I thank God for his faithfulness to always set things right and deal with the oppressors.
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Sep 20, 2009 5:51 PM CST Ahmadinejad says Holocaust was a “lie”
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
RayfromUSA:

The Taliban are a US invention. Just like Al Qaida.





How dare you denigrate and belittle the deaths of troops fighting the Taliban, 6 Italian SAS solders were buried here on Saturday.

You are a pitiable resemblance of a human who deserves to be forced to go to Afghanistan and tell those troops face to face they are fighting a fake war, words cannot describe my utter disbelief in your inflated ego and propaganda crap.

You SIR are worthlessbarf
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