something all should know... (325)
seekndestroy: actually the sole purpose of a heart is to pump blood through our veins and arteries so as to ensure that all our cells are properly oxygenated...
thought process, emotions, reflex and intentional reactions as well as body movements are controlled by the brain.... obviously some are less gifted than others when it comes to their ability to properly use their brain... such as those who cant figure out that their heart controls nothing more than the regular flow of blood !!!!!!
someone with a "big heart" is nothing more than somone who MAY be able to pump blood more efficiently that's all !!!!
thought process, emotions, reflex and intentional reactions as well as body movements are controlled by the brain.... obviously some are less gifted than others when it comes to their ability to properly use their brain... such as those who cant figure out that their heart controls nothing more than the regular flow of blood !!!!!!
someone with a "big heart" is nothing more than somone who MAY be able to pump blood more efficiently that's all !!!!
yea..i keep the same thing BUT they wouldn't listen! i guess people with "big heart" have very 'tiny head'
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It seems we have entered the humorous stage of the thread!! Well, at least it's more of a positive collective effort!!!!
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OneKitty: I did not read what eveyone else wrote.
OP, did you write this?
I am conflicted.
It is indeed a piece.
Later, K
OP, did you write this?
I am conflicted.
It is indeed a piece.
Later, K
That was clever of you...
Yes I wrote it.
Why are you conflicted?
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Love is like oxygen
You get too much, you get too high
Not enough and you're gonna die
Love gets you high
-Electric Light Orchestra
The OP's beginning thread sounded a lot like Buddhist philosophy.
Are we wrong to want to be loved in return, and to suffer if we desire it?
I don't think so. Take a newborn baby. The one thing it needs most in the world is love...that is the natural order of things, and as we grow we learn not only to want love, but to give love.
It is also true that those who grow up in a loveless environment find it hard to love themselves as well as other people.
If we were to continuously give out love - others would be the recipients, and rightly so.
It is true that uncontrolled or selfish desires can cause us unnecessary suffering when such desires are thwarted. But that doesn't mean that desiring love, a basic need, is selfish - it is unbreakably part of the circle.
You get too much, you get too high
Not enough and you're gonna die
Love gets you high
-Electric Light Orchestra
The OP's beginning thread sounded a lot like Buddhist philosophy.
Are we wrong to want to be loved in return, and to suffer if we desire it?
I don't think so. Take a newborn baby. The one thing it needs most in the world is love...that is the natural order of things, and as we grow we learn not only to want love, but to give love.
It is also true that those who grow up in a loveless environment find it hard to love themselves as well as other people.
If we were to continuously give out love - others would be the recipients, and rightly so.
It is true that uncontrolled or selfish desires can cause us unnecessary suffering when such desires are thwarted. But that doesn't mean that desiring love, a basic need, is selfish - it is unbreakably part of the circle.
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calmheartseeks: Love is like oxygen
You get too much, you get too high
Not enough and you're gonna die
Love gets you high
-Electric Light Orchestra
The OP's beginning thread sounded a lot like Buddhist philosophy.
Are we wrong to want to be loved in return, and to suffer if we desire it?
I don't think so. Take a newborn baby. The one thing it needs most in the world is love...that is the natural order of things, and as we grow we learn not only to want love, but to give love.
It is also true that those who grow up in a loveless environment find it hard to love themselves as well as other people.
If we were to continuously give out love - others would be the recipients, and rightly so.
It is true that uncontrolled or selfish desires can cause us unnecessary suffering when such desires are thwarted. But that doesn't mean that desiring love, a basic need, is selfish - it is unbreakably part of the circle.
You get too much, you get too high
Not enough and you're gonna die
Love gets you high
-Electric Light Orchestra
The OP's beginning thread sounded a lot like Buddhist philosophy.
Are we wrong to want to be loved in return, and to suffer if we desire it?
I don't think so. Take a newborn baby. The one thing it needs most in the world is love...that is the natural order of things, and as we grow we learn not only to want love, but to give love.
It is also true that those who grow up in a loveless environment find it hard to love themselves as well as other people.
If we were to continuously give out love - others would be the recipients, and rightly so.
It is true that uncontrolled or selfish desires can cause us unnecessary suffering when such desires are thwarted. But that doesn't mean that desiring love, a basic need, is selfish - it is unbreakably part of the circle.
Ok I stated previously that I would no longer post on this thread but it seems that there are people here who take this seriously and I will continue to respond to them. I will attempt to keep my replies civil...and I will ignore any post that is off topic.
The OP's beginning thread sounded a lot like Buddhist philosophy.
We really should be careful using labels. far too often we see something that seems familiar and we discard it based solely on that assumption. But many times looking at something old with a fresh perspective can reveal things we may have missed previously.
Are we wrong to want to be loved in return, and to suffer if we desire it?
I don't feel it's a question of right or wrong...but more about is it necessary to suffer. That is the brunt of the op.
I don't think so. Take a newborn baby. The one thing it needs most in the world is love...that is the natural order of things, and as we grow we learn not only to want love, but to give love.
I respectfully disagree...what a newborn needs most is nutrition and security...those are paramount for it's survival...as for love I believe the capacity for a newborn to love is far superior to an adults. Usually what happens is we start out with all the love we'll ever need and slowly it is conditioned out of us until we hopefully arrive at a point in our lives where we can see through the fog of misinformation and get back to the understanding we had as a child.
It is also true that those who grow up in a loveless environment find it hard to love themselves as well as other people.
I don't believe that is possible...there is no such place as a loveless one. Only people who have forgotten how to show it. But it's still there and we only need feel it.
If we were to continuously give out love - others would be the recipients, and rightly so.
Yes, that is the idea...all you need is to find one other person who understands this and you will both be recipients..then imagine if everyone did the same. Then everyone would be receiving...that's the beauty of it...the giving is the point the rest takes care of itself.
It is true that uncontrolled or selfish desires can cause us unnecessary suffering
I'm more interested in this necessary suffering that this statement points to.
Thank for your participation in the thread.
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Lee464: Ok I stated previously that I would no longer post on this thread but it seems that there are people here who take this seriously and I will continue to respond to them. I will attempt to keep my replies civil...and I will ignore any post that is off topic.
The OP's beginning thread sounded a lot like Buddhist philosophy.
We really should be careful using labels. far too often we see something that seems familiar and we discard it based solely on that assumption. But many times looking at something old with a fresh perspective can reveal things we may have missed previously.
Are we wrong to want to be loved in return, and to suffer if we desire it?
I don't feel it's a question of right or wrong...but more about is it necessary to suffer. That is the brunt of the op.
I don't think so. Take a newborn baby. The one thing it needs most in the world is love...that is the natural order of things, and as we grow we learn not only to want love, but to give love.
I respectfully disagree...what a newborn needs most is nutrition and security...those are paramount for it's survival...as for love I believe the capacity for a newborn to love is far superior to an adults. Usually what happens is we start out with all the love we'll ever need and slowly it is conditioned out of us until we hopefully arrive at a point in our lives where we can see through the fog of misinformation and get back to the understanding we had as a child.
It is also true that those who grow up in a loveless environment find it hard to love themselves as well as other people.
I don't believe that is possible...there is no such place as a loveless one. Only people who have forgotten how to show it. But it's still there and we only need feel it.If we were to continuously give out love - others would be the recipients, and rightly so.
Yes, that is the idea...all you need is to find one other person who understands this and you will both be recipients..then imagine if everyone did the same. Then everyone would be receiving...that's the beauty of it...the giving is the point the rest takes care of itself. It is true that uncontrolled or selfish desires can cause us unnecessary suffering
I'm more interested in this necessary suffering that this statement points to.Thank for your participation in the thread.
You're one of the most "SELFLESS" People I have ssen in a long time!The OP's beginning thread sounded a lot like Buddhist philosophy.
We really should be careful using labels. far too often we see something that seems familiar and we discard it based solely on that assumption. But many times looking at something old with a fresh perspective can reveal things we may have missed previously.
Are we wrong to want to be loved in return, and to suffer if we desire it?
I don't feel it's a question of right or wrong...but more about is it necessary to suffer. That is the brunt of the op.
I don't think so. Take a newborn baby. The one thing it needs most in the world is love...that is the natural order of things, and as we grow we learn not only to want love, but to give love.
I respectfully disagree...what a newborn needs most is nutrition and security...those are paramount for it's survival...as for love I believe the capacity for a newborn to love is far superior to an adults. Usually what happens is we start out with all the love we'll ever need and slowly it is conditioned out of us until we hopefully arrive at a point in our lives where we can see through the fog of misinformation and get back to the understanding we had as a child.
It is also true that those who grow up in a loveless environment find it hard to love themselves as well as other people.
I don't believe that is possible...there is no such place as a loveless one. Only people who have forgotten how to show it. But it's still there and we only need feel it.If we were to continuously give out love - others would be the recipients, and rightly so.
Yes, that is the idea...all you need is to find one other person who understands this and you will both be recipients..then imagine if everyone did the same. Then everyone would be receiving...that's the beauty of it...the giving is the point the rest takes care of itself. It is true that uncontrolled or selfish desires can cause us unnecessary suffering
I'm more interested in this necessary suffering that this statement points to.Thank for your participation in the thread.
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Lee464: Unfortunately, as one of the more astute posters stated earlier...'a few rotten apples spoil the entire barrel'
Sad yes, but it's the world we live in.
I never intended to have this thread go this way and I apologize to those of you who might have got something from it if it hadn't. but it was clear to me after the first 2 pages that the majority of posters on this thread are incapable of intelligent discourse and couple that with the fact that I've been a nit bored the last couple days and well...I just couldn't help but show them for the intellectually stunted, social misfits that they are...so I fed the frenzy.
again apologies to yourself and 3 or 4 others and to all who read but had the good sense not to get involved.This will be my last post on this thread...I'll leave the carcass of it to the vultures who killed it as they will no doubt need to get the last word in.
l8r
Of course,If in doubt,blame others!You're another Adherent of that School that asks not;What went wrong,but go right to;Who is to blame.Sad yes, but it's the world we live in.
I never intended to have this thread go this way and I apologize to those of you who might have got something from it if it hadn't. but it was clear to me after the first 2 pages that the majority of posters on this thread are incapable of intelligent discourse and couple that with the fact that I've been a nit bored the last couple days and well...I just couldn't help but show them for the intellectually stunted, social misfits that they are...so I fed the frenzy.
again apologies to yourself and 3 or 4 others and to all who read but had the good sense not to get involved.This will be my last post on this thread...I'll leave the carcass of it to the vultures who killed it as they will no doubt need to get the last word in.
l8r
Boy and they always find a Sündenbock other than them.
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Lee464: Ok I stated previously that I would no longer post on this thread but it seems that there are people here who take this seriously and I will continue to respond to them. I will attempt to keep my replies civil...and I will ignore any post that is off topic.
The OP's beginning thread sounded a lot like Buddhist philosophy.
We really should be careful using labels. far too often we see something that seems familiar and we discard it based solely on that assumption. But many times looking at something old with a fresh perspective can reveal things we may have missed previously.
Are we wrong to want to be loved in return, and to suffer if we desire it?
I don't feel it's a question of right or wrong...but more about is it necessary to suffer. That is the brunt of the op.
I don't think so. Take a newborn baby. The one thing it needs most in the world is love...that is the natural order of things, and as we grow we learn not only to want love, but to give love.
I respectfully disagree...what a newborn needs most is nutrition and security...those are paramount for it's survival...as for love I believe the capacity for a newborn to love is far superior to an adults. Usually what happens is we start out with all the love we'll ever need and slowly it is conditioned out of us until we hopefully arrive at a point in our lives where we can see through the fog of misinformation and get back to the understanding we had as a child.
It is also true that those who grow up in a loveless environment find it hard to love themselves as well as other people.
I don't believe that is possible...there is no such place as a loveless one. Only people who have forgotten how to show it. But it's still there and we only need feel it.If we were to continuously give out love - others would be the recipients, and rightly so.
Yes, that is the idea...all you need is to find one other person who understands this and you will both be recipients..then imagine if everyone did the same. Then everyone would be receiving...that's the beauty of it...the giving is the point the rest takes care of itself. It is true that uncontrolled or selfish desires can cause us unnecessary suffering
I'm more interested in this necessary suffering that this statement points to.Thank for your participation in the thread.
That which I have highlighted is what I believe you were trying to express in your OP. It is reasonable thinking and I tend to agree. However, it went out of context shortly thereafter and with several. This is (or could be again) a thought provoking thread, thank you for sharing it.The OP's beginning thread sounded a lot like Buddhist philosophy.
We really should be careful using labels. far too often we see something that seems familiar and we discard it based solely on that assumption. But many times looking at something old with a fresh perspective can reveal things we may have missed previously.
Are we wrong to want to be loved in return, and to suffer if we desire it?
I don't feel it's a question of right or wrong...but more about is it necessary to suffer. That is the brunt of the op.
I don't think so. Take a newborn baby. The one thing it needs most in the world is love...that is the natural order of things, and as we grow we learn not only to want love, but to give love.
I respectfully disagree...what a newborn needs most is nutrition and security...those are paramount for it's survival...as for love I believe the capacity for a newborn to love is far superior to an adults. Usually what happens is we start out with all the love we'll ever need and slowly it is conditioned out of us until we hopefully arrive at a point in our lives where we can see through the fog of misinformation and get back to the understanding we had as a child.
It is also true that those who grow up in a loveless environment find it hard to love themselves as well as other people.
I don't believe that is possible...there is no such place as a loveless one. Only people who have forgotten how to show it. But it's still there and we only need feel it.If we were to continuously give out love - others would be the recipients, and rightly so.
Yes, that is the idea...all you need is to find one other person who understands this and you will both be recipients..then imagine if everyone did the same. Then everyone would be receiving...that's the beauty of it...the giving is the point the rest takes care of itself. It is true that uncontrolled or selfish desires can cause us unnecessary suffering
I'm more interested in this necessary suffering that this statement points to.Thank for your participation in the thread.
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YouMeUs: That which I have highlighted is what I believe you were trying to express in your OP. It is reasonable thinking and I tend to agree. However, it went out of context shortly thereafter and with several. This is (or could be again) a thought provoking thread, thank you for sharing it.
Thank you. Your participation is welcome and encouraged.
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YouMeUs: That which I have highlighted is what I believe you were trying to express in your OP. It is reasonable thinking and I tend to agree. However, it went out of context shortly thereafter and with several. This is (or could be again) a thought provoking thread, thank you for sharing it.
Think of it this way...Control is elusive at best...but, I only really have a fairly possible chance of controlling that which is mine. I cannot expect to control other peoples thoughts actions or feelings but I do have a chance of controlling my own. so when I understand this then the thoughts feelings and actions of others cease to be an issue to me as I have no input with them.
So I spend my time doing what I can with the things I can control and not worrying about the things I can't. It's when we don't understand this that we begin to expect things from others that we can't control and this is the road to pain. When really we should realize that we have all we need already.
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Lee464: Think of it this way...Control is elusive at best...but, I only really have a fairly possible chance of controlling that which is mine. I cannot expect to control other peoples thoughts actions or feelings but I do have a chance of controlling my own. so when I understand this then the thoughts feelings and actions of others cease to be an issue to me as I have no input with them.
So I spend my time doing what I can with the things I can control and not worrying about the things I can't. It's when we don't understand this that we begin to expect things from others that we can't control and this is the road to pain. When really we should realize that we have all we need already.
So I spend my time doing what I can with the things I can control and not worrying about the things I can't. It's when we don't understand this that we begin to expect things from others that we can't control and this is the road to pain. When really we should realize that we have all we need already.
Sorry...forgot to add...
If we don't yet realize that we have everything we need to be happy in life then we need to contemplate that and find it. it is within each and everyone of us...this is the part that noone can help us with we must do it alone...it's a journey of self-discovery and nothing outside of ourselves can point us there.
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Lee464: A heart that desires will always be vulnerable to suffering. Remember that your heart ships with everything it requires from the factory and that it's true purpose is to share it's inexhaustible supply of love and happiness.
It's when we get confused and begin to believe that our heart requires something from another source that we set ourselves up for disappointment and suffering...and deservedly so, as we've then become selfish beings...
Your heart was designed to send out goodness with no thought to where it's going or to whom...just a steady outward stream of love.
The person who understands what his heart is for has a heart that is incapable of being hurt...a heart that wants nothing can not be disappointed.
Those who complain about a broken heart have forgotten what the purpose of their heart is and deserve the pain as punishment for that transgression.
It's when we get confused and begin to believe that our heart requires something from another source that we set ourselves up for disappointment and suffering...and deservedly so, as we've then become selfish beings...
Your heart was designed to send out goodness with no thought to where it's going or to whom...just a steady outward stream of love.
The person who understands what his heart is for has a heart that is incapable of being hurt...a heart that wants nothing can not be disappointed.
Those who complain about a broken heart have forgotten what the purpose of their heart is and deserve the pain as punishment for that transgression.
I have to disagree with what you say...
A heart that is open will always be vulnerable to suffering, it will also be available to great joy. It is incredibly selfish to only put out a stream of love... we must also be available to receive love and a loss will obviously cause pain. Can there be any greater pain than losing a child?? That pain is equal to the incredible unconditional love a parent has for a child.
Without darkness there is no light, without pain there is no joy. Our lives are a balance of negative and positive and to live only one side of that is to live only half a life.
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Lee464: Think of it this way...Control is elusive at best...but, I only really have a fairly possible chance of controlling that which is mine. I cannot expect to control other peoples thoughts actions or feelings but I do have a chance of controlling my own. so when I understand this then the thoughts feelings and actions of others cease to be an issue to me as I have no input with them.
So I spend my time doing what I can with the things I can control and not worrying about the things I can't. It's when we don't understand this that we begin to expect things from others that we can't control and this is the road to pain. When really we should realize that we have all we need already.
So I spend my time doing what I can with the things I can control and not worrying about the things I can't. It's when we don't understand this that we begin to expect things from others that we can't control and this is the road to pain. When really we should realize that we have all we need already.
god, grant me the serenity to accept the things i cannot change,
the courage to change the things i can,
AND the wisdom to know the difference
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jbibiza: I have to disagree with what you say...
A heart that is open will always be vulnerable to suffering, it will also be available to great joy. It is incredibly selfish to only put out a stream of love... we must also be available to receive love and a loss will obviously cause pain. Can there be any greater pain than losing a child?? That pain is equal to the incredible unconditional love a parent has for a child.
Without darkness there is no light, without pain there is no joy. Our lives are a balance of negative and positive and to live only one side of that is to live only half a life.
A heart that is open will always be vulnerable to suffering, it will also be available to great joy. It is incredibly selfish to only put out a stream of love... we must also be available to receive love and a loss will obviously cause pain. Can there be any greater pain than losing a child?? That pain is equal to the incredible unconditional love a parent has for a child.
Without darkness there is no light, without pain there is no joy. Our lives are a balance of negative and positive and to live only one side of that is to live only half a life.
Well you've got me smiling because it's very difficult to debate your points as I spent the better part of my life believing what you say about balance and it is hard to let go of it as it makes so much sense to our minds as they are conditioned to see in terms of fragmentation and conflict.
In other words we think fundamentally in terms of ourselves and the rest of the world. That division is second nature to our conscious minds and is at work in every thought.
that is why I based the op on feelings and not thought. In order to understand we have to turn off our thinking minds and feel. Trust me it ain't easy, and it's neigh on impossible to explain using words as they are a product of thought.
Do you follow? I'm not being cagey here I'm serious.
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pikengren: god, grant me the serenity to accept the things i cannot change,
the courage to change the things i can,
AND the wisdom to know the difference
the courage to change the things i can,
AND the wisdom to know the difference
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Lee464: Well you've got me smiling because it's very difficult to debate your points as I spent the better part of my life believing what you say about balance and it is hard to let go of it as it makes so much sense to our minds as they are conditioned to see in terms of fragmentation and conflict.
In other words we think fundamentally in terms of ourselves and the rest of the world. That division is second nature to our conscious minds and is at work in every thought.
that is why I based the op on feelings and not thought. In order to understand we have to turn off our thinking minds and feel. Trust me it ain't easy, and it's neigh on impossible to explain using words as they are a product of thought.
Do you follow? I'm not being cagey here I'm serious.
In other words we think fundamentally in terms of ourselves and the rest of the world. That division is second nature to our conscious minds and is at work in every thought.
that is why I based the op on feelings and not thought. In order to understand we have to turn off our thinking minds and feel. Trust me it ain't easy, and it's neigh on impossible to explain using words as they are a product of thought.
Do you follow? I'm not being cagey here I'm serious.
I understand perfectly what you are saying... I just don´t agree with it. What good are you as a friend if you can´t share the pain of loss? How can you have empathy for those who suffer if you are incapable of suffering yourself? Your heart pouring out love doesn´t comfort another as the ability to share pain does. So basiclly I feel that the ideas you portray to be somewhat selfish and leaves you cut off from the rest of us poor fools who are in the trenches experiencing joy and pain as we go through life.
I would find sitting on my mountain pouring out love to the grass and the ants and humanity at large a very empty life.
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jbibiza: I understand perfectly what you are saying... I just don´t agree with it. What good are you as a friend if you can´t share the pain of loss? How can you have empathy for those who suffer if you are incapable of suffering yourself? Your heart pouring out love doesn´t comfort another as the ability to share pain does. So basiclly I feel that the ideas you portray to be somewhat selfish and leaves you cut off from the rest of us poor fools who are in the trenches experiencing joy and pain as we go through life.
I would find sitting on my mountain pouring out love to the grass and the ants and humanity at large a very empty life.
I would find sitting on my mountain pouring out love to the grass and the ants and humanity at large a very empty life.
I'll share joy and love and excitement with you anyday...but how can you, as a friend, ask me to share in something that I understand as unnecessary?
If you child was about to put a finger into a wall socket, would you join her and suffer the pain together, or would you attempt to explain that she doesn't need to experience that pain as you know of a way that she can avoid it?
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jbibiza: I understand perfectly what you are saying... I just don´t agree with it. What good are you as a friend if you can´t share the pain of loss? How can you have empathy for those who suffer if you are incapable of suffering yourself? Your heart pouring out love doesn´t comfort another as the ability to share pain does. So basiclly I feel that the ideas you portray to be somewhat selfish and leaves you cut off from the rest of us poor fools who are in the trenches experiencing joy and pain as we go through life.
I would find sitting on my mountain pouring out love to the grass and the ants and humanity at large a very empty life.
I would find sitting on my mountain pouring out love to the grass and the ants and humanity at large a very empty life.
Don't want to be rude here,but it may seem that way to you...but I don't mean it that way I'm actually quite curious...
My op is about showing unconditional love...how on earth are you able to twist that into a selfish act and still claim to understand what I'm saying?
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thought process, emotions, reflex and intentional reactions as well as body movements are controlled by the brain.... obviously some are less gifted than others when it comes to their ability to properly use their brain... such as those who cant figure out that their heart controls nothing more than the regular flow of blood !!!!!!
someone with a "big heart" is nothing more than somone who MAY be able to pump blood more efficiently that's all !!!!