Why Am I Undereducated (23)
tunnelwary: (I'm SO glad to have an "International Forum" to ask...)...
I do realize......
That "I" and "I alone" am responsible for my own learning.<---That's a "period".
...but...often I wonder why some 10yo kid in Norway, France, Switzerland, etc. knows my language plus usually at least 2 more, grammar and all. In many cases he/she knows more about my, and world history more than my contemporaries. Why did "they" have so much of a head start in an understanding of the arts...etc., etc., etc.?
Though I was a well (mind, body, heart, and soul) cared for child, why did "I" not have these tools by a relatively young age?
I guess I'm interested in what people have to say about the broad (world) spectrum of educational methods. What worked for them...didn't, and any "eureka moments"..
I do realize......
That "I" and "I alone" am responsible for my own learning.<---That's a "period".
...but...often I wonder why some 10yo kid in Norway, France, Switzerland, etc. knows my language plus usually at least 2 more, grammar and all. In many cases he/she knows more about my, and world history more than my contemporaries. Why did "they" have so much of a head start in an understanding of the arts...etc., etc., etc.?
Though I was a well (mind, body, heart, and soul) cared for child, why did "I" not have these tools by a relatively young age?
I guess I'm interested in what people have to say about the broad (world) spectrum of educational methods. What worked for them...didn't, and any "eureka moments"..
Some of your lack of education about the outside world, may be your fault. You also a product of your upbringing.
When we don't have to learn another language, we don't. ( english is widely used around the world) Those whose language is only used in their small countries, also learn the language of their nieghbours. And they become quite good at it, because they use the different languages often.
Here in Canada and in many other countries, the news media, and other programs, report and tell us about many events from around the world, and not just about our own country. So as a result, we accumulate more knowledge about the world outside our own country.
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Schools and education in most cases up untill more recent years...was to educate in order for them to succeed in life....so many places as here in the States..was to educate what "They" thought would serve you best....not much sense to educate a child about,lets say, the workings of factories ,if his entire life will be farming....but now of course this is much differant ...but to a degree it was true even in my school days....
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because you are an American?
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Loner1960: Some of your lack of education about the outside world, may be your fault. You also a product of your upbringing.
When we don't have to learn another language, we don't. ( english is widely used around the world) Those whose language is only used in their small countries, also learn the language of their nieghbours. And they become quite good at it, because they use the different languages often.
Here in Canada and in many other countries, the news media, and other programs, report and tell us about many events from around the world, and not just about our own country. So as a result, we accumulate more knowledge about the world outside our own country.
When we don't have to learn another language, we don't. ( english is widely used around the world) Those whose language is only used in their small countries, also learn the language of their nieghbours. And they become quite good at it, because they use the different languages often.
Here in Canada and in many other countries, the news media, and other programs, report and tell us about many events from around the world, and not just about our own country. So as a result, we accumulate more knowledge about the world outside our own country.
In US, you are told "we are the best, we are the greatest". They don't teach you to be curious about other parts of the world, other languages. Your educational system does not explain how to learn about other things than what is in the school's program.
In Europe, we had to learn about worldwide history, geography, litterature. We also had a lot of "personal" research to do (before Internet) by visiting museums, exhibitions, bookshops.
Our culture is more expanded and we have to know a little of everything before getting specialised in one subject. While in the US you have more very accurate specialists in one and only subject.
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gabrielle95: In US, you are told "we are the best, we are the greatest". They don't teach you to be curious about other parts of the world, other languages. Your educational system does not explain how to learn about other things than what is in the school's program.
In Europe, we had to learn about worldwide history, geography, litterature. We also had a lot of "personal" research to do (before Internet) by visiting museums, exhibitions, bookshops.
Our culture is more expanded and we have to know a little of everything before getting specialised in one subject. While in the US you have more very accurate specialists in one and only subject.
Education is very different in the various countries around the world. Today all teachers are driven by targets, quotas and do not give the same Broadbrush approach that was used years ago.School used to give you a grounding in most subjects and you progressed according to your ability.It was almost a Pyramid. Now too many expect too much to be handed to them and do not do the essential research. The internet gives easy answers but by using the web we do not learn as well as when you research your subjects completelyIn Europe, we had to learn about worldwide history, geography, litterature. We also had a lot of "personal" research to do (before Internet) by visiting museums, exhibitions, bookshops.
Our culture is more expanded and we have to know a little of everything before getting specialised in one subject. While in the US you have more very accurate specialists in one and only subject.
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Don't worry it's great to be thick sometimes you can get away with anything even buying a round of beer 
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tunnelwary: I guess I'm interested in what people have to say about the broad (world) spectrum of educational methods. What worked for them...didn't, and any "eureka moments"..
I'd be interested in hearing about that too! Great thread!
(and I believe there's no need to get personal about someone's nationality, that's TOTALLY not the point...)
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Learning, and the love of it, is encouraged from birth. If you have parents with a second and preferably third level education, then you stand a better chance of being well (more widely) educated.
As people have mentioned before, your country's standards of education are also important. For instance, here it is normal to study 17 subjects for the first 3 years of secondary school, ages 12-15. Then taking half of those for more detailed study, for the last two years before university, in the subjects you wish to specialise in later on. Maths, Science and English are mandatory for everyone. School is attended from 8.45am to 4.00pm.
Here it is normal, too, for a 4 year old to come home with an hour or two of written homework and spellings to do each night. This is on top of all the extra curricular activities most children do after school.
My grand daughter, although not in school yet, (just turned 4 too late for this year's intake), has been able to read and write for the last year. She has already been attending gymnastics and dance classes as well as 5 days of pre-school for the last year too.
This increases as the child gets older, whereas in Germany and some other countries, a formal education doesn't even start until the child is 7 years old. Often they get no homework and school finishes at noon.
As far as education goes in general, you either get lucky or not depending on where you live, and what your parent's expectations for you are, and of course how they implement that.
As people have mentioned before, your country's standards of education are also important. For instance, here it is normal to study 17 subjects for the first 3 years of secondary school, ages 12-15. Then taking half of those for more detailed study, for the last two years before university, in the subjects you wish to specialise in later on. Maths, Science and English are mandatory for everyone. School is attended from 8.45am to 4.00pm.
Here it is normal, too, for a 4 year old to come home with an hour or two of written homework and spellings to do each night. This is on top of all the extra curricular activities most children do after school.
My grand daughter, although not in school yet, (just turned 4 too late for this year's intake), has been able to read and write for the last year. She has already been attending gymnastics and dance classes as well as 5 days of pre-school for the last year too.
This increases as the child gets older, whereas in Germany and some other countries, a formal education doesn't even start until the child is 7 years old. Often they get no homework and school finishes at noon.
As far as education goes in general, you either get lucky or not depending on where you live, and what your parent's expectations for you are, and of course how they implement that.
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tunnelwary: (I'm SO glad to have an "International Forum" to ask...)...
I do realize......
That "I" and "I alone" am responsible for my own learning.<---That's a "period".
...but...often I wonder why some 10yo kid in Norway, France, Switzerland, etc. knows my language plus usually at least 2 more, grammar and all. In many cases he/she knows more about my, and world history more than my contemporaries. Why did "they" have so much of a head start in an understanding of the arts...etc., etc., etc.?
Though I was a well (mind, body, heart, and soul) cared for child, why did "I" not have these tools by a relatively young age?
I guess I'm interested in what people have to say about the broad (world) spectrum of educational methods. What worked for them...didn't, and any "eureka moments"..
I do realize......
That "I" and "I alone" am responsible for my own learning.<---That's a "period".
...but...often I wonder why some 10yo kid in Norway, France, Switzerland, etc. knows my language plus usually at least 2 more, grammar and all. In many cases he/she knows more about my, and world history more than my contemporaries. Why did "they" have so much of a head start in an understanding of the arts...etc., etc., etc.?
Though I was a well (mind, body, heart, and soul) cared for child, why did "I" not have these tools by a relatively young age?
I guess I'm interested in what people have to say about the broad (world) spectrum of educational methods. What worked for them...didn't, and any "eureka moments"..
"Education", and "Intelligence" are two COMPLETELY different things.
Some of the most well "educated" and schooled people I have met in my life have been very much lacking in intelligence and common sense.
The two quite often dont go hand in hand!!
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Countries in Europe are sorrounded by other countries which speak a different language so it makes sense because of the geographics to learn another language
Kids have a mind that is classed as being a sponge until the age of 10-11 so can learn quicker than an adult...
Youve had the school of life as we say and intelligence is not just about academic achievments...
Kids have a mind that is classed as being a sponge until the age of 10-11 so can learn quicker than an adult...
Youve had the school of life as we say and intelligence is not just about academic achievments...
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ogdensburgbabe: "Education", and "Intelligence" are two COMPLETELY different things.
Some of the most well "educated" and schooled people I have met in my life have been very much lacking in intelligence and common sense.
The two quite often dont go hand in hand!!
Some of the most well "educated" and schooled people I have met in my life have been very much lacking in intelligence and common sense.
The two quite often dont go hand in hand!!
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tunnelwary: (I'm SO glad to have an "International Forum" to ask...)...
I do realize......
That "I" and "I alone" am responsible for my own learning.<---That's a "period".
...but...often I wonder why some 10yo kid in Norway, France, Switzerland, etc. knows my language plus usually at least 2 more, grammar and all. In many cases he/she knows more about my, and world history more than my contemporaries. Why did "they" have so much of a head start in an understanding of the arts...etc., etc., etc.?
Though I was a well (mind, body, heart, and soul) cared for child, why did "I" not have these tools by a relatively young age?
I guess I'm interested in what people have to say about the broad (world) spectrum of educational methods. What worked for them...didn't, and any "eureka moments"..
I hear you--I believe I do have some encouraging, or at least thought-provoking ideas about this. In Japan, school days/years are far longer, with much longer periods of lecture, studying, etc... It is very strict. In France, young (and I mean young) people must choose a career path very early on--not much margin is given for slow starters and those who may change their minds. Other countries have rigid uniform rules, the hierarchy is ultra-defined. I'm glad for the way I was educated, rather agriculture-oriented and "woodsy", also took a course for boys regarding budgeting, home-making, cooking skills. Perhaps it could be viewed as less "educated" than what you are describing, but much can be said for the child who is allowed to daydream, swim in the creek, and go fishing. I'll take Huckleberry Finn over Little Lord Fauntelroy any old day. Just my thoughts.I do realize......
That "I" and "I alone" am responsible for my own learning.<---That's a "period".
...but...often I wonder why some 10yo kid in Norway, France, Switzerland, etc. knows my language plus usually at least 2 more, grammar and all. In many cases he/she knows more about my, and world history more than my contemporaries. Why did "they" have so much of a head start in an understanding of the arts...etc., etc., etc.?
Though I was a well (mind, body, heart, and soul) cared for child, why did "I" not have these tools by a relatively young age?
I guess I'm interested in what people have to say about the broad (world) spectrum of educational methods. What worked for them...didn't, and any "eureka moments"..
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You are never to old to learn something new 
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kiwi69: because you are an American?
Of all the replys I choose to reply to
but yes...this is what I was getting at I guess......again...
QUOTE:I do realize......
That "I" and "I alone" am responsible for my own learning.<---That's a "period".: END QUOTE
but wonder why I wasn't given as good of structure as some, BEFORE....I learned how to learn
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In the United States, I think one's parents have a lot to with it, and also the educational institutions you attend. If your family are blue collar workers, and you are a first generation college student, you simply will not get the encouragement and help those whose parents hold higher degrees will. My father refused to pay for anyone's college education, and pushed us all out to find jobs at age 18. I had to pursue postsecondary education on my own at an older age starting at a community college.
There is also a difference in attitudes toward academics in schools. Colleges and universities may pass students through easily and there have been problems of cheating with grade inflation (students received high grades for substandard work).
Many adults today lack skills in spelling and grammar (and probably mathematics as well). I have been assured by teachers that the system is toughening and students again have to knuckle down to their studies. I sincerely hope so.
There is also a difference in attitudes toward academics in schools. Colleges and universities may pass students through easily and there have been problems of cheating with grade inflation (students received high grades for substandard work).
Many adults today lack skills in spelling and grammar (and probably mathematics as well). I have been assured by teachers that the system is toughening and students again have to knuckle down to their studies. I sincerely hope so.
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tunnelwary: (I'm SO glad to have an "International Forum" to ask...)...
I do realize......
That "I" and "I alone" am responsible for my own learning.<---That's a "period".
...but...often I wonder why some 10yo kid in Norway, France, Switzerland, etc. knows my language plus usually at least 2 more, grammar and all. In many cases he/she knows more about my, and world history more than my contemporaries. Why did "they" have so much of a head start in an understanding of the arts...etc., etc., etc.?
Though I was a well (mind, body, heart, and soul) cared for child, why did "I" not have these tools by a relatively young age?
I guess I'm interested in what people have to say about the broad (world) spectrum of educational methods. What worked for them...didn't, and any "eureka moments"..
There are many different forms of education,some have book knowleage,some have what is hereditary knowleage,some experience knowleage,some woods and hunting fishing,some street knowleage so your knowleage of what life you are leading is just as important.If you check out the most insperational people who have changed the way we think or have changed the world in some way,they thought out of the box!I do realize......
That "I" and "I alone" am responsible for my own learning.<---That's a "period".
...but...often I wonder why some 10yo kid in Norway, France, Switzerland, etc. knows my language plus usually at least 2 more, grammar and all. In many cases he/she knows more about my, and world history more than my contemporaries. Why did "they" have so much of a head start in an understanding of the arts...etc., etc., etc.?
Though I was a well (mind, body, heart, and soul) cared for child, why did "I" not have these tools by a relatively young age?
I guess I'm interested in what people have to say about the broad (world) spectrum of educational methods. What worked for them...didn't, and any "eureka moments"..
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Icymanx: There are many different forms of education,some have book knowleage,some have what is hereditary knowleage,some experience knowleage,some woods and hunting fishing,some street knowleage so your knowleage of what life you are leading is just as important.If you check out the most insperational people who have changed the way we think or have changed the world in some way,they thought out of the box!
BRAVO!!!!
Now translate that to French
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tunnelwary: BRAVO!!!!
Now translate that to French
Now translate that to French
Il y a différentes formes d'éducation, certains ont une connaissance littéraire, certains une forme d'éducation héréditaire, certains l'acquièrent par expérience, d'autres en parcourant les bois et en pêchant d'autres encore apprennent la vie dans la rue.
Do you want me to continue???
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Non, je comprends. Très perspicace!
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I do realize......
That "I" and "I alone" am responsible for my own learning.<---That's a "period".
...but...often I wonder why some 10yo kid in Norway, France, Switzerland, etc. knows my language plus usually at least 2 more, grammar and all. In many cases he/she knows more about my, and world history more than my contemporaries. Why did "they" have so much of a head start in an understanding of the arts...etc., etc., etc.?
Though I was a well (mind, body, heart, and soul) cared for child, why did "I" not have these tools by a relatively young age?
I guess I'm interested in what people have to say about the broad (world) spectrum of educational methods. What worked for them...didn't, and any "eureka moments"..