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Mar 15, 2010 1:40 PM CST BE YOURSELF
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
When you are little your parents won’t let you be yourself. They have different ideas about eating the whole chocolate cake or drawing on the walls with crayons. Later on teachers keep you from being yourself. Then teenage peer pressure takes over, and finally, once society has imposed its demands, freedom is more restricted still. Alone on a desert island you might be able to be yourself, only guilt and shame would pursue you even there. The inheritance of repression is inescapable.

The whole problem is one of boundaries and resistance. Someone imposes a limit on you, and you resist it in order to break free. Thus “being myself” becomes a relative thing. Unless someone tells me what I can’t do, I have nothing to push against. By implication, my life would be shapeless. I would follow one whim after another, which itself is a kind of prison. To have a hundred wives and a feast on the table isn’t being yourself, it is being your desires.

When boundaries and resistance both melt the problem comes to an end. To be in unity, you cannot have limitations. You are wholeness; that is what fills your perception. Choice A and choice B are equal in your eyes. When this is true, desire can flow where it will. You are not your desires. Being yourself no longer has the slightest outside reference.

Doesn’t this deprive you of choice? Both yes and no. A person will want to dress and talk a certain way; there may even be decided likes and dislikes. Yet these are karmic holdovers from the past. All and Nothing doesn’t erase the necessities of this world, and in fact the great mystics do preserve the trappings of ordinary life.

To be really free, there is no option except to be yourself. By being yourself you open the door to what is, the never-ending play of cosmic intelligence curving back to know itself again and again.

Adapted from How To Know God, by Deepak Chopra (Harmony Books, 2000).
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Mar 15, 2010 10:47 PM CST BE YOURSELF
thewall2
thewall2thewall2montreal, Quebec Canada61 Threads 10,499 Posts
HealthyLiving: When you are little your parents won’t let you be yourself. They have different ideas about eating the whole chocolate cake or drawing on the walls with crayons. Later on teachers keep you from being yourself. Then teenage peer pressure takes over, and finally, once society has imposed its demands, freedom is more restricted still. Alone on a desert island you might be able to be yourself, only guilt and shame would pursue you even there. The inheritance of repression is inescapable.

The whole problem is one of boundaries and resistance. Someone imposes a limit on you, and you resist it in order to break free. Thus “being myself” becomes a relative thing. Unless someone tells me what I can’t do, I have nothing to push against. By implication, my life would be shapeless. I would follow one whim after another, which itself is a kind of prison. To have a hundred wives and a feast on the table isn’t being yourself, it is being your desires.

When boundaries and resistance both melt the problem comes to an end. To be in unity, you cannot have limitations. You are wholeness; that is what fills your perception. Choice A and choice B are equal in your eyes. When this is true, desire can flow where it will. You are not your desires. Being yourself no longer has the slightest outside reference.

Doesn’t this deprive you of choice? Both yes and no. A person will want to dress and talk a certain way; there may even be decided likes and dislikes. Yet these are karmic holdovers from the past. All and Nothing doesn’t erase the necessities of this world, and in fact the great mystics do preserve the trappings of ordinary life.

To be really free, there is no option except to be yourself. By being yourself you open the door to what is, the never-ending play of cosmic intelligence curving back to know itself again and again.

Adapted from How To Know God, by Deepak Chopra (Harmony Books, 2000).


Of course be yourself,because if your yourself....people can love you...they see the real you.

I'd rather be hated for who I AM ...than loved for somebody I'M NOT.
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Mar 15, 2010 10:48 PM CST BE YOURSELF
thewall2
thewall2thewall2montreal, Quebec Canada61 Threads 10,499 Posts
TO BE...
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Mar 15, 2010 11:00 PM CST BE YOURSELF
Zuleika
ZuleikaZuleikaMadrid, Spain1 Threads 148 Posts
I've always just been myself. My parents are people who didn't try to mold me to be anything. They allowed my spirit to soar. They married outside their own race when that was not typical or accepted. They have lived a life that often went against the grain of tradition, but they have always been very positive and people have tended to like and accept them. No one ever tried to force me into box of conformity, not my family, not my husband, not my kids. I feel sorry for people who have felt they were not allowed to be themselvs. They end up spending their lives trying to compensate for that, like listening to some pseudo religious/spirtual guru telling them how to think and how to live and feeling all the time like live is always a matter of swimming upstream. Sad.
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Mar 15, 2010 11:09 PM CST BE YOURSELF
Kattsrose
KattsroseKattsroseKind of near Portsmouth, NH, New Hampshire USA52 Threads 4 Polls 911 Posts
Zuleika: I've always just been myself. My parents are people who didn't try to mold me to be anything. They allowed my spirit to soar. They married outside their own race when that was not typical or accepted. They have lived a life that often went against the grain of tradition, but they have always been very positive and people have tended to like and accept them. No one ever tried to force me into box of conformity, not my family, not my husband, not my kids. I feel sorry for people who have felt they were not allowed to be themselvs. They end up spending their lives trying to compensate for that, like listening to some pseudo religious/spirtual guru telling them how to think and how to live and feeling all the time like live is always a matter of swimming upstream. Sad.


My parents let me be me too but they helped me become who I am.

My grandfather was a big influence too. Even though I was adopted he looked for ways I was like him, my grandmother or my parents. Even though I didn't look like them I always knew they were my REAL family.
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Mar 18, 2010 10:06 AM CST BE YOURSELF
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
Zuleika: I've always just been myself. My parents are people who didn't try to mold me to be anything. They allowed my spirit to soar. They married outside their own race when that was not typical or accepted. They have lived a life that often went against the grain of tradition, but they have always been very positive and people have tended to like and accept them. No one ever tried to force me into box of conformity, not my family, not my husband, not my kids. I feel sorry for people who have felt they were not allowed to be themselvs. They end up spending their lives trying to compensate for that, like listening to some pseudo religious/spirtual guru telling them how to think and how to live and feeling all the time like live is always a matter of swimming upstream. Sad.



Kudos to your parents!bouquet

I have learned that true FREEDOM is obtained in not quenching others in their desire to do whatever it is they want to do. Even if what they intend to do will bring them sorrow... they must walk through it and obtain their own experience, to grow and learn. We must allow them to do so. I think it's called, "The School Of Hard Knocks".professor

HLteddybear
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Mar 19, 2010 7:29 AM CST BE YOURSELF
hopefloats
hopefloatshopefloatsSlim's Lady, Tennessee USA51 Threads 6,660 Posts
HealthyLiving: Kudos to your parents!

I have learned that true FREEDOM is obtained in not quenching others in their desire to do whatever it is they want to do. Even if what they intend to do will bring them sorrow... they must walk through it and obtain their own experience, to grow and learn. We must allow them to do so. I think it's called, "The School Of Hard Knocks".

HL





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Mar 19, 2010 11:29 AM CST BE YOURSELF
bollywood
bollywoodbollywoodTRIVANDRUM, Kerala India53 Threads 2 Polls 973 Posts
You cannot escape from the "self" . As long as you identify yourself with "self" you are bonded . true freedom is liberating yourself from the "self".
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Mar 22, 2010 6:08 PM CST BE YOURSELF
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
bollywood: You cannot escape from the "self" . As long as you identify yourself with "self" you are bonded . true freedom is liberating yourself from the "self".



You are absolutely correct bollywood!!!yay
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Mar 22, 2010 6:26 PM CST BE YOURSELF
Abram
AbramAbramGoshen, Ohio USA9 Threads 2,077 Posts
Damn, and I was hoping I could be Obama. laugh

I will settle for myself though, has myself I have done well in living the truth. thumbs up
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Mar 22, 2010 7:20 PM CST BE YOURSELF
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
HealthyLiving: When you are little your parents won’t let you be yourself. They have different ideas about eating the whole chocolate cake or drawing on the walls with crayons. Later on teachers keep you from being yourself. Then teenage peer pressure takes over, and finally, once society has imposed its demands, freedom is more restricted still. Alone on a desert island you might be able to be yourself, only guilt and shame would pursue you even there. The inheritance of repression is inescapable.

The whole problem is one of boundaries and resistance. Someone imposes a limit on you, and you resist it in order to break free. Thus “being myself” becomes a relative thing. Unless someone tells me what I can’t do, I have nothing to push against. By implication, my life would be shapeless. I would follow one whim after another, which itself is a kind of prison. To have a hundred wives and a feast on the table isn’t being yourself, it is being your desires.

When boundaries and resistance both melt the problem comes to an end. To be in unity, you cannot have limitations. You are wholeness; that is what fills your perception. Choice A and choice B are equal in your eyes. When this is true, desire can flow where it will. You are not your desires. Being yourself no longer has the slightest outside reference.

Doesn’t this deprive you of choice? Both yes and no. A person will want to dress and talk a certain way; there may even be decided likes and dislikes. Yet these are karmic holdovers from the past. All and Nothing doesn’t erase the necessities of this world, and in fact the great mystics do preserve the trappings of ordinary life.

To be really free, there is no option except to be yourself. By being yourself you open the door to what is, the never-ending play of cosmic intelligence curving back to know itself again and again.

Adapted from How To Know God, by Deepak Chopra (Harmony Books, 2000).


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Mar 22, 2010 7:34 PM CST BE YOURSELF
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
bollywood: You cannot escape from the "self" . As long as you identify yourself with "self" you are bonded . true freedom is liberating yourself from the "self".


True freedom is knowing the self, being yourself, and loving and respecting yourself. A necessary bond as a human entity. I see your point, but your quote is meant in a collective and cosmic sense---the one is all and the all are one. I'm not devaluing it, but just putting it in it's proper perspective.
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Mar 22, 2010 7:40 PM CST BE YOURSELF
Big_John
Big_JohnBig_JohnOcean Springs, Mississippi USA19 Threads 9,767 Posts
I was in the military for 20 years and there you can never be yourself. Then I worked in the aerospace industry for 23 years and that large corporate organization demands a certain style to survive. Now that I am retired I truly do not know who John is. I wonder if in time I will find myself?
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Mar 22, 2010 7:51 PM CST BE YOURSELF
Kattsrose
KattsroseKattsroseKind of near Portsmouth, NH, New Hampshire USA52 Threads 4 Polls 911 Posts
Big_John: I was in the military for 20 years and there you can never be yourself. Then I worked in the aerospace industry for 23 years and that large corporate organization demands a certain style to survive. Now that I am retired I truly do not know who John is. I wonder if in time I will find myself?


When my grandmother's mind was supposedly failing she told one of the Doctors: "You know most people can't find themselves because they are too busy hiding". The Doctor thought it was just her rambling, we thought it was brilliant.

That is not intended as comment on you John. You just reminded me of what she said.
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Mar 22, 2010 7:58 PM CST BE YOURSELF
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Big_John: I was in the military for 20 years and there you can never be yourself. Then I worked in the aerospace industry for 23 years and that large corporate organization demands a certain style to survive. Now that I am retired I truly do not know who John is. I wonder if in time I will find myself?


You will, just ask and seek and you'll find out. Once realization hits you, you'll discover new ways of seeing yourself as well as labeling yourself that will bring harmony to you John. Then you'll have your moments, but you'll become a master of taking control of those moments because you'll have that much more faith and confidence in knowing who you are and who you are not.

That's my experience...
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Mar 22, 2010 8:01 PM CST BE YOURSELF
Big_John
Big_JohnBig_JohnOcean Springs, Mississippi USA19 Threads 9,767 Posts
StressFree: You will, just ask and seek and you'll find out. Once realization hits you, you'll discover new ways of seeing yourself as well as labeling yourself that will bring harmony to you John. Then you'll have your moments, but you'll become a master of taking control of those moments because you'll have that much more faith and confidence in knowing who you are and who you are not.

That's my experience...


I find it interesting that I was in the follower position for many, many years. Then I was a boss for many years. Today I shun both being a follower and a leader. I enjoy just doing without any responsibilities. I find I do that in the Boy Scouts, volunteering at the soup kitchen, playing golf as a single individual and not as part of some team sport. I travel alone much of the time. I wonder it this is who I am becoming?
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Mar 22, 2010 8:05 PM CST BE YOURSELF
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Big_John: I find it interesting that I was in the follower position for many, many years. Then I was a boss for many years. Today I shun both being a follower and a leader. I enjoy just doing without any responsibilities. I find I do that in the Boy Scouts, volunteering at the soup kitchen, playing golf as a single individual and not as part of some team sport. I travel alone much of the time. I wonder it this is who I am becoming?


If you enjoy this and you are following your excitement, then yes. If you are doing something that does not resonate with you and puts you in a negative state of being, then that is not you. Many people struggle with this in our society. And that's another story in itself.

I also see that you have learned from your past and have identified who you are not---a significant process of learning yourself John. It's also very courageous for you to put this out here in public---another sign of yourself and showing your true and awesome self.
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Mar 22, 2010 8:11 PM CST BE YOURSELF
wonderworker
wonderworkerwonderworkercosby, Tennessee USA201 Threads 2 Polls 1,883 Posts
Two thoughts come to mind.
I will paraphrase rather than search the precise language:

"The Overman does not require to be approved of..He passes his own judgement"
Nietzche

"The desire to control others is the basest of all things"
Ayn Rand

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Mar 22, 2010 9:01 PM CST BE YOURSELF
bollywood: You cannot escape from the "self" . As long as you identify yourself with "self" you are bonded . true freedom is liberating yourself from the "self".


yes this is why in your thread about love, I defined it as a loss of self. But I do not think that anyone understood.

But to be ourselves we must examine the self, and step outside of, or beyond, the self. Only in this way can we conciously decide if we are acting in a manner that is true to our beliefs and values - such consistency of belief and action is necessary for happiness with the self we choose to be.

Only at that point can we lose the self and be truly happy

And the OP is not asking about freedom from the self. OP asks that we be ourselves. But in my way of thought it is only as we lose the self - that we can "be ourselves." It's hard to explain.

I can say that I am always "myself" I would have a very difficult time hiding who I am as I don't do that, so wouldn't really know how - or be savvy at that. I find the idea of that practice counterproductive.

It could also be said that we are always ourselves - if we act in a certain way - it is part of who we are or we wouldn't know to act that way.
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Mar 22, 2010 11:14 PM CST BE YOURSELF
EliteOne
EliteOneEliteOneBrisbane, Queensland Australia38 Threads 1,590 Posts
thewall2: Of course be yourself,because if your yourself....people can love you...they see the real you.

I'd rather be hated for who I AM ...than loved for somebody I'M NOT.


not me !


I’ve taken up acting classes grin
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