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Sep 28, 2010 5:43 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
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Interpreting the Qu'ran

As we all know, any religious Scripture may be interpreted in a way that satisfies one's own whims or desires. Indeed, some seem to engage in actual evil and then use religious Scriptures to rationalize their behaviors! The Qur'an is no different. Here are some guidelines for a proper understanding:
1. Linguistic Integrity. It is only considered "the Qur'an" in the original Arabic. Arabic translates poorly into English and so this must be taken into account. Often, there is no English equivilent for an Arabic word.
2. Historical Context. Each "episodes of revelation" was in response to a specific question or specific situation. When it comes to Qur'anic interpretation "context is everything".
3. Reference to Muhammad's Actual Behaviors. Called the sunnah. It is derived from the hadith ("sayings") literature and the practice of Muhammad's companions. The foundations of Islam-as-religious-tradition (Islam2) are comprised of the Qur'an and the sunnah of Muhammad. Muhammad is considered to be a "walking Qur'an". His example displays or embodies Qur'anic principles.
4. The Totality of the Message. Any particular interpretation must fit within the total ethos presented by the Qur'an as a whole.


The Qur'an describes itself as having both clear and ambiguous passages. Thus, there are differences among Muslims2 about its proper interpretation. There are also differences regarding the interpretations of the hadith literature(the saying of prophet muhammad..peace be upon him) from which we derive the sunnah. Because thousands of people came to accept Muhammad's claim to be a messenger from God the hadith literature contains detailed, and sometimes graphic accounts of his words and deeds. Some of today's Muslims seem to emphasize aspects of the sunnah such as beards for men and certain types of clothes. Some consider these of foundational importance for Islam. Others consider these accounts to be of secondary or no importance for Islam. They look more to Muhammad's character and personality-- taking into account his cultural context as a sixth century Arab-- more so than others. The personality characteristics exemplified by Muhammad(peace be upon on him) are listed by one author as follows....

Politeness
Kindness
Love and Mercy
Forgiveness
Generosity
Hospitality
Sacrifice
Simplicity
Humility
Modesty
Sincerity
Honesty and Truthfulness
Fair Dealing
Justice
Fulfillment of Promises
Piety and Righteousness
Moderation
Perseverance
Courage and Bravery
Humor.

Muhammad(peace be upon him) in general and especially early on, did not permit the writing down of his extra-Qur'anic sayings during his life-time, being fearful they would become confused with the text of the Qur'an. Many intra-Muslim fights are over the sunnah.
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Sep 28, 2010 5:59 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
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JIHAD!( here i go..so please help me god!)

Jihad is not properly translated as "holy war" per say but as "struggle of good against evil". Jihad is the attempt to fully establish Islam on the planet, in our communities, and in ourselves. It contains Islam's theory of just war, but also contains much, much more.

Because Islam is firmly wholistic
(the Field Model), it encourages jihad in all arenas of human expression: psychological, social, physical, political, and economic as well as spiritual...u name it! It is wrong to reduce jihad to but one area of life as we often see some Muslims doing today.

Islam allows physical warfare only against aggressors after attempts at change, treaty and reconciliation have failed. If peace is offered it is to be accepted.

from "Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet" by Karen Armstrong:



"The Qur'an began to urge the Muslims of Medina to participate in a jihad. This would involve fighting and bloodshed, but the root JHD implies more than a 'holy war'. It signifies a physical, moral, spiritual and intellectual effort. There are plenty of Arabic words denoting armed combat, such as harb (war), sira'a (combat), ma'araka (battle) or qital (killing), which the Qur'an could easily have used if war had been the Muslims' principal way of engaging in this effort. Instead it chooses a little vaguer, richer word with a wide range of conotations. The jihad is not one of the five pillars of Islam. It is not the central theme of the religion, despite the common Western views. But it was and remains a duty for Muslims to commit themselves to a struggle on all fronts-- moral, spiritual and political-- to create a just and decent society, where the poor and vulnerable are not exploited, in the way that God had intended man to live. Fighting and warfare might sometimes be necessary, but it was only a minor part of the whole jihad or struggle. A well-known tradition (hadith) has Muhammad(peace be upon him) saying on returning from a battle, "We return from the little jihad to the greater jihad," the more difficult and crucial effort to conquer the forces of evil in oneself and in one's own society in all the details of daily life."

Tawheed

Tawheed is an untranslatable term that contains within it the Muslim2 understanding of the implications of strict monotheism. According to some writers who bridge the gap between East and West tawheed is not easily grasped by those coming out of Euro-American traditions. It expresses a radical monotheism that severely restricts symbolic, figurative or anthropomorphic language to explain the relationship between Deity and creation. The Qur'an contains descriptions of God's activities and attributes often compiled as "The 99 Names". Prime among these is an absolute and total Uniqueness and Unity.

Tawheed anticipates the current fascination with "wholistic" thought or health. Tawheed is the means by which Islam expresses a wholistic conception of human life and the cosmos; integrating physical, social, psychological and spiritual concerns into a consonant whole. The parts of experience "fit together".

to be continued..
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mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
NAKEDMUDPEOPLE: This thread is under current events and politics!


And it seems that the even are so much directly related to islam..unfortunately..so please forgive me...
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Sep 28, 2010 6:10 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
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According to a famous islamic scholar,(i am paraphrasing it) tawheed implies the followings about reality:

"God and creation are ontologically separate. There is no pantheistic, panentheistic, or anthropmorphic tendencies permitted in our discourse about God.
Human beings can comprehend what God wants us to do.
Human life and all of creation is imbued with meaning and purpose.
Human beings are capable of molding life and the world according to the dictates of Islam.
The individual is responsible for molding life and the world according to Islam.

Tawheed also contains within it a foundational scientific approach to reality containing three principles:

Rejection of all that does not correspond with reality.
There are no ultimate contradictions.
Openness to new and/or contrary evidence."

Under Muslim Rule

the excerpts below has been taken from another islamic scholar and i am just paraphrasing it....

A fundamental principle of Islam is that Islam is fairness and mercy to all--Muslims and non-Muslims. The Prophet (SAW) was sent "not, but as a Mercy for all creatures" (21:107). This Mercy extends even to non-Muslims, who will continue to co-exist with Muslims forever. After all, "If it had been your Lord's Will, they would all have believed, -- all who are on earth!" (10:99). Thus, Muslims are one of many nations. The verse "Nay, you are but humans, --of the humans He has created" (5:18) applies equally well to Muslims and non-Muslims. Muslims cannot give themselves special privileges or favor themselves just in virtue of their being Muslims. Muslims are supposed to be "witnesses over the nations" (2:143). A "witness" must be fair. "Say: 'My Lord has commanded justice'" (7:29).

The political system in Islam has justice for all as its supreme principle. "When you judge between mankind, judge with justice" (4:58). "If you judge, judge in equity between them. For God loves those who judge in equity" (5:42). Note that one principle of justice is spelled out in Quran as "No compulsion in religion" (2:256). Now, only the person who rejects the principles of justice for all mankind is considered an apostate. According to Sa'id, if a person converts out of Islam we should congratulate the group that s/he joined, for apparently they had something to offer that we Muslims didn't. BUT, if a person rejects the political Islam, i.e. rejects the principles of justice which include "no compulsion in religion", then (and only then) this person is an apostate and must be dealt with as such.

An important lesson must be learnt from the verse that permitted Muslims to use force for the first time in their history: "To those against whom war was made, who were subject to injustice, permission is given (to fight)" (22:39). Note that these people were subject to injustice. Further, note the "compulsion in religion" part: the verse goes on to describe those to whom permission was granted to fight as "those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right, (for no other cause) except that they say 'Our Lord is God'."Only when we stick firmly to these principles of justice,would we fulfill the role of "witnesses over the nation."

to be continued...
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Sep 28, 2010 6:19 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
NCC1968
NCC1968NCC1968Van Nuys, California USA3 Threads 3 Polls 839 Posts
mnowsa:

to be continued...


Those that are truly interested can read the Quran themsleves, search online or visit a masjid.

We don't need it all in this thread.......too much alreadyprofessor
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Sep 28, 2010 6:25 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
NCC1968: Those that are truly interested can read the Quran themsleves, search online or visit a masjid.

We don't need it all in this thread.......too much already


I wish it was really too much..i really wish we never have to argue over the things that we deliberately refuse to learn. sometime i wish, we just didn't have to argue over things even if we have all the information at our disposal to malign each other. sometime i really wish that we would first listen to ourselves before expecting others to listen. Sometime, i really wish that we would just keep quite and ponder over the things that we really want to argue about.handshake peace
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Sep 28, 2010 6:28 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
NCC1968
NCC1968NCC1968Van Nuys, California USA3 Threads 3 Polls 839 Posts
mnowsa: I wish it was really too much..i really wish we never have to argue over the things that we deliberately refuse to learn....



You got it there already.....if they refuse then you are wasting your breath(typing). "They" will not read it anyway.....



If there is a god and said god wants people to know the "truth" then if thet REALLY want it then they will find it and find it w/o people's help.......very simple.
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Sep 28, 2010 6:32 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Politeness
Kindness
Love and Mercy
Forgiveness
Generosity
Hospitality
Sacrifice
Simplicity
Humility
Modesty
Sincerity
Honesty and Truthfulness
Fair Dealing
Justice
Fulfillment of Promises
Piety and Righteousness
Moderation
Perseverance
Courage and Bravery



Hell, that's me. I must b e a muslim. Didn't even know it. moping
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Sep 28, 2010 6:39 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
NCC1968: You got it there already.....if they refuse then you are wasting your breath(typing). "They" will not read it anyway.....
If there is a god and said god wants people to know the "truth" then if thet REALLY want it then they will find it and find it w/o people's help.......very simple.


well..sorry ncc...i guess i just got a little carried away tonight which i hardly ever do on CS..today i just felt like i, as a muslim, wasn't doing enough to erradicate all the misconception about islam in general. i have seen some vicious attacks on islam day in and day out from some people who perhaps have never tried to learn about islam. From now on, i will certainly not let these attaks passing by without meeting any academic and intellectual challenge. islam has not come into this world from another planet, nor we muslims have arrived from another solar system. I want everybody to remember that.
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NCC1968
NCC1968NCC1968Van Nuys, California USA3 Threads 3 Polls 839 Posts
mnowsa: well..sorry ncc...i guess i just got a little carried away tonight......... i will certainly not let these attaks passing by without meeting any academic and intellectual challenge. .........


Give it up...........it is hard to pull a pig from mud, but it can walk out whenever it wants....let them rant.professor
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Sep 28, 2010 6:58 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
ironman57321
ironman57321ironman57321Russellville,Ar., Arkansas USA247 Posts
yellow is not our color.I guess i don't get what your saying
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Sep 28, 2010 7:22 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
If it is a plot to offend others by placing the Mosque on the site, if all would not be offended then the plot would be of no effect. If it is not a plot to offend, then people who are offended by their own thoughts of the situation, they then become the offenders by objecting. Good manners would not offend in both cases. Each are self centered and disrespect the dead by violence of word and action.

Live and let live!
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NCC1968
NCC1968NCC1968Van Nuys, California USA3 Threads 3 Polls 839 Posts
RillyNiceGuy:

Live and let live!


....and in their own way w/o bugging or trying to change each otherprofessor

handshake
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Sep 28, 2010 8:43 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
I am for Mosque moratorium in the US, until bin Laden has been handed over to Western authorities. By that I mean, no mosques will be build in the US, until he is extradited to the west or the US. If it takes 100 years, then no Mosque is build here for 100 years.

Why can I go there? We have seen how many time, Muslim charities have supported Islamic terrorism by collecting funds and recruits for them.
Islamic charities are part of the Islamic religious sects. Hence the sects are supporting Islamic terrorism.

So?

Ban the construction of all Mosques, till bin Laden is handed over.
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Sep 28, 2010 8:45 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
ttom500: I am for Mosque moratorium in the US, until bin Laden has been handed over to Western authorities. By that I mean, no mosques will be build in the US, until he is extradited to the west or the US. If it takes 100 years, then no Mosque is build here for 100 years.

Why can I go there? We have seen how many time, Muslim charities have supported Islamic terrorism by collecting funds and recruits for them.
Islamic charities are part of the Islamic religious sects. Hence the sects are supporting Islamic terrorism.

So?

Ban the construction of all Mosques, till bin Laden is handed over.


It wouldn't pass constitutional muster, but I think it's a great idea!

Let's run it by Dude for approval... rolling on the floor laughing
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Sep 28, 2010 8:47 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
ttom500: Dang Constitution always gets in the way......LOL


We're not using it anymore... so maybe it doesn't matter! frustrated
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Sep 28, 2010 9:08 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
NCC1968
NCC1968NCC1968Van Nuys, California USA3 Threads 3 Polls 839 Posts
No more alcohol - kills more people than Islam

No mare tobacco - kills more people than Islam

No more water either.....more people drown than killed by Islam

.....cars - electricity - dogs - guns......etc


All just as stupid as saying no more Mosques.
Are we to close down the 40-50 THOUSAND already in the US?

When you take away one persons liberty you damage the nation - think doh
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Sep 28, 2010 9:16 PM CST Mosque on WTC site
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
NCC1968: No more alcohol - kills more people than Islam

No mare tobacco - kills more people than Islam

No more water either.....more people drown than killed by Islam

.....cars - electricity - dogs - guns......etcAll just as stupid as saying no more Mosques.
Are we to close down the 40-50 THOUSAND already in the US?

When you take away one persons liberty you damage the nation - think


There are 2000 mosques in the US. Not we just ban them from being built till the Islamic honor our jurisprudence system. Till you have that mutual respect, your peope are sheeple to any bin laden that they hide in Muslim country.

With the existing 2000 Mosque open, they cannot say that freedom of religion is not honored.

Maybe a Constitutional admendment would work here. Was a Constitutional admendment that banned Communism from the country.

Am not damaging any American's liberty. Saving a few American lives. Maybe more than a few.
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