Mosque near Ground Zero - Verbal Diarrhea - Part TWO ( Archived) (611)

jvaski: Some of us can't help the fact that there are plenty of prejudice and paranoid people living in this country.
And, It's not all about what New Yorkers want......

jvaski: Some of us can't help the fact that there are plenty of prejudice and paranoid people living in this country.
And, It's not all about what New Yorkers want......

equiya: Just find something better to do with your time instead of behaving silly snd like an a--hole here.

jvaski: Darn Alberta ......but you're wrng again ......

Here's some info that I want you to actually acknowlege - so you won't accuse me again for not providing evidence for my argument

"The motives for the attacks include the presence of the U.S. in Saudi Arabia ......"

Now then, you may proceed to go off on another tangent of your own- and again accuse me of not ever providing credible infor and slandering you .........

Stratfor: His motive was not, we believe, simply to kill Americans. That was a means to an end. Rather, as we and others have said before, it was to seize what he saw as a rare opportunity to begin the process of recreating a vast Islamic empire.

The rare opportunity was the fall of the Soviet Union. Until then, the Islamic world had been divided between Soviet and American spheres of influence. The Cold War between the United States and Soviet Union created a tense paralysis in that world, with movement and change being measured in decades and inches. Bin Laden looked at the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan and saw a historical opening.

Contrary to what has been discussed about terrorist organizations, they cannot create an empire. What they can do is seize a nation-state and utilize its power to begin shaping an empire. Bin Laden had Afghanistan, but its location and intrinsic power were insufficient for his needs. He could not hope to recreate the Islamic empire from Kabul or Kandahar. For bin Laden's strategy to work, he had to topple an important Muslim state and replace it with a true Islamist regime. We suspect his eye was on Egypt. When Egypt moves, the Islamic world trembles.

In bin Laden's analysis, the strength of these regimes also was their weakness. They were all dependent on the United States for their survival. This fit in with bin Laden's broader analysis. The reason for Muslim weakness was that the Christian world -- the Crusaders, as he referred to them -- had imposed a series of regimes on Muslims and thereby divided and controlled them. Until these puppet regimes were overthrown, Muslims would be helpless in the face of Christians, in particular the current leading Christian power, the United States.

The root problem was psychological. Muslims suffered from a psychology of defeat. They expected to be weaker than Christians and so they were. In spite of the defeat of the atheist Soviets in Afghanistan and the collapse of their regime, Muslims still did not understand two things -- that the Christians were inherently weak and corrupt, and that the United States was simply another Crusader nation and their enemy.

In response to: The 9/11 attack, as well as earlier attacks, was designed to do two things. First, by striking targets that were well-known among the Muslim masses, the attack was meant to demonstrate that the United States could be attacked and badly hurt. Second, it was designed to get a U.S. reaction -- and this is what bin Laden saw as the beauty of his plan: If Washington reacted by doing nothing effective, then he could argue that the United States was profoundly weak and indecisive. This would increase contempt for the United States. If, on the other hand, the United States staged a series of campaigns in the Islamic world, he would be able to say that this demonstrated that the United States was the true Crusader state and the enemy of Muslims everywhere. Bin Laden was looking for an intemperate move -- either the continued impotent responses to al Qaeda attacks in the 1990s or a drastic assault against Islam. Either one would have done.