StressFree: I'm trying to stay out of this thread, but I'm starting to care now since this is really starting to blow up. Anyways, here is my lead in---I'll express via a link since I am too lazy to post all of my thoughts.
StressFree: . Those courts in GB are not even formal and are under the radar. If zealot Muslims wish to practice that in their own cultures or communities, I can care less. It will never be implemented in the Western world. Stop listening to the fears of the media and to others who blindly believe the media.
Not quite correct Stress me old friend. Sharia Courts are formed as Tribunials under the Arbitration Act of 1996. They only have limited (civil) cases under which that the can 'arbitrate', but of course, give them an inch and they'll take ten miles.
Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, said he had taken advantage of a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996.
Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.
Siddiqi said: “We realised that under the Arbitration Act we can make rulings which can be enforced by county and high courts. The act allows disputes to be resolved using alternatives like tribunals. This method is called alternative dispute resolution, which for Muslims is what the sharia courts are.”
Steve5721: Not quite correct Stress me old friend. Sharia Courts are formed as Tribunials under the Arbitration Act of 1996. They only have limited (civil) cases under which that the can 'arbitrate', but of course, give them an inch and they'll take ten miles.
Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, said he had taken advantage of a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996.
Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.
Siddiqi said: “We realised that under the Arbitration Act we can make rulings which can be enforced by county and high courts. The act allows disputes to be resolved using alternatives like tribunals. This method is called alternative dispute resolution, which for Muslims is what the sharia courts are.”
Wow! Man, that's crazy and frightening Steve. I wasn't fully aware of that, and I thank you for sharing some truth with me---or simply correcting me. I can admit I was wrong!!!!
Well, if both parties in the dispute agree to give the rulings of arbitration tribunals the power to rule on their case, then so be it since it is their choice and preferred destiny Man, give them an inch and they sure will take a mile. That would never happen in America, no way...imo
This does not sound like a man who wants to promote good will...
Ground Zero Mosque Imam: US Bloodier Than al-Qaida Tuesday, 24 Aug 2010 01:58 PM Article Font Size
In a taped speech now available online, Iman Rauf makes a number of statements that would seem to counter his image as a moderate in the U.S. Muslim community.
"We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaida has on its hands of innocent non-Muslims,” he says at one point. “You may remember that the U.S.-led sanctions against Iraq led to the death of over half a million Iraqi children. This has been documented by the United Nations. And when Madeleine Albright, who has become a friend of mine over the last couple of years, when she was Secretary of State and was asked whether this was worth it, said it was worth it."
Rauf went on to recommend Michael Moore's provocative documentary, "Fahrenheit 9/11." Asked why Muslims commit suicide bombings, Rauf downplayed the role of Islam and instead placed them in a political framework, suggesting that in some cases they may be a legitimate military tactic:
“ . . . What makes people, in my opinion, commit suicide for political reasons have their origins in politics and political objectives and worldly objectives rather than other worldly objectives, he said. "But the psychology of human beings and the brittleness of the human condition and how many of us have thought about taking our own lives, we may be jilted, had a bad relationship, you know, didn't get tenure at the university, failed an important course, there's a host of reasons why people feel so depressed with themselves that they are willing to contemplate ending their own lives. And if you can access those individuals and deploy them for your own worldly objectives, this is exactly what has happened in MUCH of the Muslim world."
StressFree: I agree. Is he really funded by taxpayer money?
As far as I know, his trip (and previous trips) is being funded by taxpayer money. Not sure what that's all about, but it's supposed to be some sort of peace keeping mission.
StressFree: Well, if both parties in the dispute agree to give the rulings of arbitration tribunals the power to rule on their case, then so be it since it is their choice and preferred destiny
That would never happen in America, no way...imo
We thought it would never happen in the UK Stress.
The trouble is with the both agreeing, don't forget the woman has NO choice but to agree.
jvaski: Stress, don't play into the enemy's propoganda my friend. You have to see the big picture my friend
I do see the big picture in my own way jvaski. I saw this video yesterday and just shook my head. I just would have gone with a different approach, but this approach will work as far as bringing up our deepest fears and getting everything out on the table.
jvaski: Stress, don't play into the enemy's propoganda my friend. You have to see the big picture my friend
You, my friend, need to open your eyes and take off those blinkers.
Take a look at what has happened in the UK since we gave them lattitude or bent over backwards to support their rights to pray etc.
I can list many, many events that have taken place. Things like a bus driver, bus full of passengers...stopped halfway round his route to pray. A checkout girl in a supermarket refusing to check out a bottle of whiskey because of her religion. Countless examples.
Not saying that this will happen in the USA...but.
Steve5721: We thought it would never happen in the UK Stress.
The trouble is with the both agreeing, don't forget the woman has NO choice but to agree.
Well, can never say never, but the likelihood of this happening in America is really small. There would be a serious uproar and uprising---and it wouldn't be pretty.
StressFree: Well, can never say never, but the likelihood of this happening in America is really small. There would be a serious uproar and uprising---and it wouldn't be pretty.
Look at the uproar we're having over health care and illegal immigration. They have not even pretended to listen, even though the vast majority of Americans LOUDLY opposed their policies.
StressFree: I do see the big picture in my own way jvaski. I saw this video yesterday and just shook my head. I just would have gone with a different approach, but this approach will work as far as bringing up our deepest fears and getting everything out on the table.
Stress .......if you start watching FOX news and their fabrications of fact and truth - then we have lost you. The bottom line is if people don't begin to make efforts to respect each other's religions and beliefs to some degree - then prejudice and hatred preveils ....... I don't personally care for this guy wanting to build the mosque. I don't personally care for Islamic people in general. But, I make my judgement of others "after" I give them a chance.
jvaski: Stress, don't play into the enemy's propoganda my friend. You have to see the big picture my friend
Again jvaski, I'm all for a new approach in foreign policy, and that is what Obama promised us, but I just don't approve of this guy promoting his doctrines and suggesting that political institutions consult Muslim religious institutions. That would encroach on the First Amendment, and the Separation of Church and State is paramount in a free society.
I don't mind criticizing some of America's ways and policies around the world, but in the same breath, we need sound solutions. This Imam offered no sound solutions imo. Bear in mind that Islam, has a cruel history of spreading its religion on our planet---like the other religion in the same branch---Christianity.
jvaski: Stress .......if you start watching FOX news and their fabrications of fact and truth - then we have lost you. The bottom line is if people don't begin to make efforts to respect each other's religions and beliefs to some degree - then prejudice and hatred preveils ....... I don't personally care for this guy wanting to build the mosque. I don't personally care for Islamic people in general. But, I make my judgement of others "after" I give them a chance.
OK let's see... Their Sharia Laws are in direct contradiction to our own. They have an Iman who says bin Ladin was made in the USA, and that suicide bombings are a good military tactic. And then we have the Islamic extremists attack the twin towers and MURDER thousands of people...followed by the attack at Fort Hood, the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber...and on and on.
Here's what I suggest... No more Mosques anywhere in the USA until the Muslims reign in their people and the attacks stop.
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