Stephen Hawking: God did not create Universe (223)
Dinosaur Theory
Thin at one end, much much thicker in the middle, and thin at the other end again.
Monty Python ....
Thin at one end, much much thicker in the middle, and thin at the other end again.
Monty Python ....
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RDM59: Dinosaur Theory
Thin at one end, much much thicker in the middle, and thin at the other end again.
Monty Python ....
Thin at one end, much much thicker in the middle, and thin at the other end again.
Monty Python ....
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StressFree: Of course gardenhackle! That is why I asked for thoughts. I'm curious to see other thoughts on Hawking's idea and model of the universe. I'm not here to tell people they are wrong or right, just wanted to exchange thoughts. There are different models for the creation of the universe, so I just wanted to see who aligns where for my own curiosities.
So I did share my thought. My thought is that he has an opinion (just like everyone else) and stated it as a fact (just like most tend to do). I've observed that the ability of people to distinguish their own opinions from facts is a very rare talent for people to possess no matter what their level of intellect.
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anblu45: very interesting point of vieuw, mine come from a Russian medium H.P.Blavatsky in the last 1800 she founded in America a spiritic association, this is an idea so close to the christianity but denied refused by Vatican's member, because she was against the bible book
Madam Blavatsky who started the theosophical society. I read both her books, one on science and the other on religion. I loved her thoughts about catholicism. She slapped science around a bit too. She claimed to have written the books with the guidance of spirits. The information in the books she did not have to research, it came to her from the spirit world. The spirits felt it was time to reveal secrets to humanity and used her to this end. She made a nice chunk of money and disappeared in India.
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RDM59: No one can fathom it mate, and perhaps never will, but the current scientific theoretcial reasoning I believe is ( asuming you believe in the Big Bang theory, which most of them do ) that space and time need each other to exist. Space/Time, you can't have one without the other. If the universe started from a singularity ( infinitely small mass + volume/space ) there would be no time, so nothing could therefore have existed prior to that. There could be no other side, so to speak.
I bit disappointing that I found, but that can be result of reasoning. So be it. So basically, something can spring from nothing, theoretically speaking.
I bit disappointing that I found, but that can be result of reasoning. So be it. So basically, something can spring from nothing, theoretically speaking.
Mysterious isn't it? I think you're right about us never being able to explain it. Yes there appears to have been a "Big Bang".
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Dadude62: Madam Blavatsky who started the theosophical society. I read both her books, one on science and the other on religion. I loved her thoughts about catholicism. She slapped science around a bit too. She claimed to have written the books with the guidance of spirits. The information in the books she did not have to research, it came to her from the spirit world. The spirits felt it was time to reveal secrets to humanity and used her to this end. She made a nice chunk of money and disappeared in India.
l don't know if money was so important for her in that time, consider that she did fight with Garibaldi in Italy and was harmed in a battle, the enemy jerked her in a dig but she was still alive.
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Hi T. Thanks for the thought provoke.
I AM
We do seem to wish to push beyond any limits of thought.
A universal yearning to know the unknown, that is, for those of us that are not too busy trying to survive the day.
The manifestations that visualization in our minds can bring, lead me to believe that thought itself is a very powerful thing.
Perhaps it began as an idea. BANG! I am. We are.
I AM
We do seem to wish to push beyond any limits of thought.
A universal yearning to know the unknown, that is, for those of us that are not too busy trying to survive the day.
The manifestations that visualization in our minds can bring, lead me to believe that thought itself is a very powerful thing.
Perhaps it began as an idea. BANG! I am. We are.
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It's a bit rich, a guy that believes in string theory and that not only can particles appear out of nowhere but can infact exist in 2 places at the same time, has the nerve to say there is no place for God in creation.!
Let's be honest, these guys are so far up their ivory towers, they could really be taking the piss inventing these theories as none of us minions are in a position to argue.
By the way, the world is flat!
Let's be honest, these guys are so far up their ivory towers, they could really be taking the piss inventing these theories as none of us minions are in a position to argue.
By the way, the world is flat!
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AmoroArboles: Hi T. Thanks for the thought provoke.
I AM
We do seem to wish to push beyond any limits of thought.
A universal yearning to know the unknown, that is, for those of us that are not too busy trying to survive the day.
The manifestations that visualization in our minds can bring, lead me to believe that thought itself is a very powerful thing.
Perhaps it began as an idea. BANG! I am. We are.
I AM
We do seem to wish to push beyond any limits of thought.
A universal yearning to know the unknown, that is, for those of us that are not too busy trying to survive the day.
The manifestations that visualization in our minds can bring, lead me to believe that thought itself is a very powerful thing.
Perhaps it began as an idea. BANG! I am. We are.
are we creating our reality?
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anblu45: are we creating our reality?
I think our intellect can give rise to delusions of grandure as to how important we think we are as individuals in the grand scheme of things.
But nothing wrong with humble investigations into it all, thought energy etc, and a link with the cosmic field !
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anblu45: are we creating our reality?
I am.
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RDM59: I think our intellect can give rise to delusions of grandure as to how important we think we are as individuals in the grand scheme of things.
But nothing wrong with humble investigations into it all, thought energy etc, and a link with the cosmic field !
But nothing wrong with humble investigations into it all, thought energy etc, and a link with the cosmic field !
intellect made us narcissists
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Professor Stephen Hawking had previously appeared to accept the role of God in the creation of the universe. Writing in his bestseller A Brief History Of Time in 1988, he said: "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason – for then we should know the mind of God."
In his new work, The Grand Design, Hawking argues that the Big Bang, rather than occurring following the intervention of a divine being, was inevitable due to the law of gravity. The possibility of negating this view too cannot be ruled out.
The debate as to the existence of God will continue till the end of time.
In his new work, The Grand Design, Hawking argues that the Big Bang, rather than occurring following the intervention of a divine being, was inevitable due to the law of gravity. The possibility of negating this view too cannot be ruled out.
The debate as to the existence of God will continue till the end of time.
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AmoroArboles: Hi T. Thanks for the thought provoke.
I AM
We do seem to wish to push beyond any limits of thought.
A universal yearning to know the unknown, that is, for those of us that are not too busy trying to survive the day.
The manifestations that visualization in our minds can bring, lead me to believe that thought itself is a very powerful thing.
Perhaps it began as an idea. BANG! I am. We are.
I AM
We do seem to wish to push beyond any limits of thought.
A universal yearning to know the unknown, that is, for those of us that are not too busy trying to survive the day.
The manifestations that visualization in our minds can bring, lead me to believe that thought itself is a very powerful thing.
Perhaps it began as an idea. BANG! I am. We are.
Hey Amoro!
Are you on to the holographic model of the universe? Or a mix with Eastern philosophy? The idea that the universe is not outside (classical dualistic view/matter and mind as separate), but rather, created from the inside(consciousness/non-duality) and manifested (mind creates matter)on an invisible plane such as a hologram.
Thoughts are indeed powerful frequencies, and can be like steel if we believe in something so strong. Does that create our own individual reality one may propose? It is said that the universe is consciousness, and that our consciousness helps build and expand the universe as we perceive it. Okay, a metaphysical musing, but who knows? It is a model of the universe out there (think Alan Watts proposed this in some fashion), and you never know, maybe it did begin as an idea by some type of awareness that has no form, but is merely nature with an intelligence that we cannot grasp with out limited minds. And perhaps that awareness is contained within another awareness and so on...
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ali110: stephen's thoery is false
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So you all like to Second-Guess Stephen Hawking?
Good Frigging luck!
Good Frigging luck!
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Conrad73: So you all like to Second-Guess Stephen Hawking?Good Frigging luck!
I was thinking the same thing.
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Conrad73: So you all like to Second-Guess Stephen Hawking?Good Frigging luck!
Why not? He has a self-aware computer that wants to take over earth!!!
Nah, in a sense, I agree with him.
Anybody interested in hearing the Pleiadian model of the universe? Interesting cosmology based on holographic reflections. Still no answer to the beginning though!!!
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Conrad73: So you all like to Second-Guess Stephen Hawking?Good Frigging luck!
My other half points out that if Dr. Hawking were to advise everyone switching to a macrobiotic diet few would follow his advice he is a theoretical physicist and cosmologist not a nutricianist. By extension he is not a doctor of theology or other similar "expert". Would you people give as much weight to the Pope expounding on behavior of subatomic particles as the approach the speed of light?
Here's my .02: Everyone has a right to believe or not believe in a higher power. I'm a UU married to devout Christian. If we can get along and agree to disagree why can't the people on this site?
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Anyways, where did this model of the universe and creation come from?
I've heard creation exists within existence or Infinity, and that there are multiverses (theoretical physicist Michio Kaku talks about that), meaning that this universe is just a bubble within a larger bubble bordering other bubbles/planes.
Then there is the Hindu idea that the cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite number of deaths and rebirths. -
So many other models as well, and my point is that there may be some truth into ancient scriptures along with today's science---only to be realized in ways that nobody ever imagined.
very interesting point of vieuw, mine come from a Russian medium H.P.Blavatsky in the last 1800 she founded in America a spiritic association, this is an idea so close to the christianity but denied refused by Vatican's member, because she was against the bible book