Until love falls apart... (87)
Antjo39Sin City, Callao Peru44 Threads 2 Polls 2,019 PostsTrueBlue1986: Of course it can be the greatest source of pain, as it's probably the greatest desire there is.
And the Buddah says that desire was the only source of pain.
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Antjo39: Cariño, estás muy inspirada hoy..
Je vous remercie beaucoup Antjo!!!
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Antjo39: And the Buddah says that desire was the only source of pain.
The Buddha amongst others, but yes exactly
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Antjo39: And the Buddah says that desire was the only source of pain.
And desire realized, the ultimate pleasure!!!!!
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leigh2154: And desire realized, the ultimate pleasure!!!!!
Not many could disagree with you there
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TrueBlue1986: Not many could disagree with you there
It is true!.......................
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Antjo39: My respect Madam. I still think people like you are very rare. Usually for others love brings more negative feelings -in the long run- than anything else.
yes and this belief is usually due to some of us thinking, feeling and acting through fear and have no regard for what the act of LOVE and/or the word LOVE really means (like this doubting Thomas post)
... placing the blame on the actions that cause the pain down to love instead of fear thoughts, feelings and actions is totally putting LOVE out of context and VERY unproductive to say the least... sheeeeesh!! ... the meaning and action of the word LOVE has nothing to do with an act of FEAR IMO but some of us have this belief as you have clearly expressed in your post
... give some thought to what LOVE really means and stop blaming LOVE when it is actually FEAR that is to blame for the negatives in our relationship lives!! ... if we all entertained fear based attitudes such as this post (no offense Antjo) I might as well jump off the nearest cliff and get it over with!!!
... and btw... there are more peeps like tomboygirl in this world than you care to believe/think but perhaps with that fear based attitude of yours, you may not even notice them :(
I hope I'm wrong about that of course matey!!
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mariespoodles: yes and this belief is usually due to some of us thinking, feeling and acting through fear and have no regard for what the act of LOVE and/or the word LOVE really means (like this doubting Thomas post)
... placing the blame on the actions that cause the pain down to love instead of fear thoughts, feelings and actions is totally putting LOVE out of context and VERY unproductive to say the least... sheeeeesh!! ... the meaning and action of the word LOVE has nothing to do with an act of FEAR IMO but some of us have this belief as you have clearly expressed in your post
... give some thought to what LOVE really means and stop blaming LOVE when it is actually FEAR that is to blame for the negatives in our relationship lives!! ... if we all entertained fear based attitudes such as this post (no offense Antjo) I might as well jump off the nearest cliff and get it over with!!!
... and btw... there are more peeps like tomboygirl in this world than you care to believe/think but perhaps with that fear based attitude of yours, you may not even notice them :(
I hope I'm wrong about that of course matey!!
Well mate, I will explain this point a little bit further. A committed relation puts TWO in one bag, and as I said before it puts many htings together (personalities, previous traumas, wishes, flaws, virtues, everything) and it seems, from a statistical point of view, that this combination has very little probability to survive and grow. I think this is just a fact I have seen outside and in my own life as well, that is why I do not call it fear, but bitter experience. ... placing the blame on the actions that cause the pain down to love instead of fear thoughts, feelings and actions is totally putting LOVE out of context and VERY unproductive to say the least... sheeeeesh!! ... the meaning and action of the word LOVE has nothing to do with an act of FEAR IMO but some of us have this belief as you have clearly expressed in your post
... give some thought to what LOVE really means and stop blaming LOVE when it is actually FEAR that is to blame for the negatives in our relationship lives!! ... if we all entertained fear based attitudes such as this post (no offense Antjo) I might as well jump off the nearest cliff and get it over with!!!
... and btw... there are more peeps like tomboygirl in this world than you care to believe/think but perhaps with that fear based attitude of yours, you may not even notice them :(
I hope I'm wrong about that of course matey!!
I guess, since the combination is unlikely to work for many people, only gifted ones can afford trying again. For the rest of us, it is just a evil game of hormons pushing us into pain over and over again.
What do you think?
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Antjo39: Last night while driving back home I just stopped to buy some wine and my eyes met some Argentinian wine on the shelves I had never seen in Peru. I used to drink this one with my ex when we spent some time in the Aconcagua area, so some flashes of intense remembrances invaded my mind.
I realised that besides all the things that made us dislike each other, there were many moments when we had the potential to be good friends, and probbaly we could have been friends today. I mean a friendship based on brotherhood and affinity. However, we had a better idea, we decided to follow a relationship, as others based on hopes, previous wounds and disabilities, so we fell apart inevitably by the evil action of love and its heavy requirements.
Is it love- I mean that kind of love between a male and a female - one of the biggest sources of pain on this earth?
I realised that besides all the things that made us dislike each other, there were many moments when we had the potential to be good friends, and probbaly we could have been friends today. I mean a friendship based on brotherhood and affinity. However, we had a better idea, we decided to follow a relationship, as others based on hopes, previous wounds and disabilities, so we fell apart inevitably by the evil action of love and its heavy requirements.
Is it love- I mean that kind of love between a male and a female - one of the biggest sources of pain on this earth?
Yes, I really think love is one of the biggest sources of pain on this earth. Not LOVE in itself, but the way we have twisted the word and the meaning.
We are scared to be honest, scared of being direct and distinct. We chose to use the word love to get what we desire, the word has become a blur, no one really knows the meaning of the word these days, I do not know if ever, how can we trust what we do not know.
A worn out word, worn out meaning, does not express or stand symbolic to any kind of true emotion anymore.
I love you can mean I want your money, I want your body, I want a drink, I am lonely and need company tonight......you name it. Once in awhile it may mean I LOVE YOU, but how do we single out that very once in awhile.
We need to invent a new expression to hold on to, when we really feel true love towards someone.
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scoutmaster1: I have a simple answer for you, love does not fall apart, It can be ripped apart in time but does not just fall apatr, lust however does and thats the problem. people get together too quickely out of lust instead of giving the relationship time for real love to be discovered.
WHAT ALOT OF HOOEE!!! LUST IS WHATS GETS PEOPLE TOGETHER MATE..GIVING RELATIONSHIP TIME FOR REAL LOVE IS WHAT GROWS FROM THAT...THEY DONT DO ARRANGED MARRIAGES HERE
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silentspring: Yes, I really think love is one of the biggest sources of pain on this earth. Not LOVE in itself, but the way we have twisted the word and the meaning.
We are scared to be honest, scared of being direct and distinct. We chose to use the word love to get what we desire, the word has become a blur, no one really knows the meaning of the word these days, I do not know if ever, how can we trust what we do not know.
A worn out word, worn out meaning, does not express or stand symbolic to any kind of true emotion anymore.
I love you can mean I want your money, I want your body, I want a drink, I am lonely and need company tonight......you name it. Once in awhile it may mean I LOVE YOU, but how do we single out that very once in awhile.
We need to invent a new expression to hold on to, when we really feel true love towards someone.
We are scared to be honest, scared of being direct and distinct. We chose to use the word love to get what we desire, the word has become a blur, no one really knows the meaning of the word these days, I do not know if ever, how can we trust what we do not know.
A worn out word, worn out meaning, does not express or stand symbolic to any kind of true emotion anymore.
I love you can mean I want your money, I want your body, I want a drink, I am lonely and need company tonight......you name it. Once in awhile it may mean I LOVE YOU, but how do we single out that very once in awhile.
We need to invent a new expression to hold on to, when we really feel true love towards someone.
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Antjo39: Is it love- I mean that kind of love between a male and a female - one of the biggest sources of pain on this earth?
I think because it is one of the biggest sources of joy, it can also be one of the biggest sources of pain. Anything of great emotional value, when you lose it, is a huge source of pain. Pets, for example, are a wonderful source of joy, but when one dies, it is a great source of pain. That does not usually stop people from getting another pet at some point in time. The pain caused by a breakup with or loss of a partner is huge, immeasurable. But for most people, it does not stop them, at some point, from looking for love again. 
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doberman3: I agree, love does fall apart. Walls go up, anything can happen. Evil came to our door, cheating. Once that happens, the damage is done. Who wants a spouse after that?
If the other person has left the building, love is gone.
It's time to split up, work on a new life.
The pain can be unbearable, but I believe the saying that when one door closes, another one opens.
The Dobe
If the other person has left the building, love is gone.
It's time to split up, work on a new life.
The pain can be unbearable, but I believe the saying that when one door closes, another one opens.
The Dobe
Totally agree .. ! 
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jodestir: Totally agree .. !
Thanks Jode, life is too short.
The Dobe
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so I still Clairify that I think HATE is the biggest source of pain on this earth...
LOVE DOES NOT HATE!!!!!!!!!!!And cannot
LOVE DOES NOT HATE!!!!!!!!!!!And cannot
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Antjo39: Well mate, I will explain this point a little bit further. A committed relation puts TWO in one bag, and as I said before it puts many htings together (personalities, previous traumas, wishes, flaws, virtues, everything) and it seems, from a statistical point of view, that this combination has very little probability to survive and grow. I think this is just a fact I have seen outside and in my own life as well, that is why I do not call it fear, but bitter experience.
I guess, since the combination is unlikely to work for many people, only gifted ones can afford trying again. For the rest of us, it is just a evil game of hormons pushing us into pain over and over again.
What do you think?
I guess, since the combination is unlikely to work for many people, only gifted ones can afford trying again. For the rest of us, it is just a evil game of hormons pushing us into pain over and over again.
What do you think?
I could start by sharing some of my own hideous bitter experiences but I wont ... however, I will say that it was LOVE within that was used to heal my pain ... I could have blamed LOVE many times if it were LOVE that was to blame.
I truly believe it is not LOVE that feels jealous, bitter, incompetent, worthless, shame, quilt, victimised, hurt etc..., it's common sense to think it would be FEAR that would create these feelings...
but alas
it seems common sense is not so common anymore!! being an optimist and a realist I would also like to say... I believe common sense is still out there for the seekers but eludes the resisters
it's not rocket science ... LOVE is not PAIN... FEAR/EGO is PAIN... lose of LOVE is PAIN... bitter experiences are PAIN... and if we use LOVE on these bitter experiences, we are more likely to heal... FEAR erodes us and leaves us feeling defeated... we cannot heal using FEAR just as we cannot FEAR using LOVE... you do the math Antjo!!
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