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gininitaly: Absolutely!
Zeus:
Yeah sanctions on who for what?
Send a red cross ship with doctors and food and be helpful, while staying politically out of it... like any other natural disaster.
It makes a statement beyond politics.
Zeus:
Yeah sanctions on who for what?
Send a red cross ship with doctors and food and be helpful, while staying politically out of it... like any other natural disaster.
It makes a statement beyond politics.
Hi Gin
What I don't "get" is how do you propose anyone send a Red Cross ship in with doctors and food and be helpful and w/o politics being involved?.......and are you calling the situation in Libya a "natural" disaster? You mean like a tornado, a hurricane, a tsunami, an earthquake? 
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gininitaly: Absolutely!
Zeus:
Yeah sanctions on who for what?
Send a red cross ship with doctors and food and be helpful, while staying politically out of it... like any other natural disaster.
It makes a statement beyond politics.
sending more people in harm's way?Zeus:
Yeah sanctions on who for what?
Send a red cross ship with doctors and food and be helpful, while staying politically out of it... like any other natural disaster.
It makes a statement beyond politics.
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I wonder why the Arab nations do not send in armed forces to protect their Libyan brothers from the carnage?
The Muslim Arab nations seem to wait for European and American forces to do their job. But then it will be considered another invasion of Christian forces to humiliate the Muslims.
There is the Arab league. Why don't they act now? Why are they waiting and wasting time while innocent people are being massacred by a lunatic's mercenaries.
The Muslim Arab nations seem to wait for European and American forces to do their job. But then it will be considered another invasion of Christian forces to humiliate the Muslims.
There is the Arab league. Why don't they act now? Why are they waiting and wasting time while innocent people are being massacred by a lunatic's mercenaries.
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gabrielle95: I wonder why the Arab nations do not send in armed forces to protect their Libyan brothers from the carnage?
The Muslim Arab nations seem to wait for European and American forces to do their job. But then it will be considered another invasion of Christian forces to humiliate the Muslims.
There is the Arab league. Why don't they act now? Why are they waiting and wasting time while innocent people are being massacred by a lunatic's mercenaries.
The Muslim Arab nations seem to wait for European and American forces to do their job. But then it will be considered another invasion of Christian forces to humiliate the Muslims.
There is the Arab league. Why don't they act now? Why are they waiting and wasting time while innocent people are being massacred by a lunatic's mercenaries.
It is not their tradition, or should I say their past practice, to aid each other. Each country in the Arab world is only out for itself and its own selfish interests.
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Conrad73: sending more people in harm's way?
This is my opinion and my opinion only. There is nothing that the red cross can do that isn't being done there. Put them in a place where the "refugees" are being brought to.
Putting anymore people there just gives him more ammunition as I see it.
I think there may be a lot more going on in the back ground that many know about as far as the Red Cross and other agencies as far as medical needs
I don't see anything "natural" about this
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gininitaly: Interesting.. thx Rob, g'night , I'll just add the clickable link:
Great link! and what does it say?......5 maybe 6 thousand Quddafi supporters who have had SAS training from Britain...French and Russian jets...but where do the pilots stand...loyalty to Quddafi and willing to accept his order to fire on civilians? not known at this point....
Popular movement...left over equipment, small arms, military junk....? How many are there? Probably could do some creative math on this question...
The 32nd Brigade...headed by Quddafi's son is the most dangerous ...but then you have tribes within the Quddafi brigades who are not loyal to him.....
Tripoli is key...meaning it's military defense....
Thanks Rob!!
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time4fun4u: Sorry,i didnt take your words out of context,i was just expressing my view,nothing more,i just wanted an opinion on my view and i respect yours.
I know your not touting war,not your style,and i would like to see the US show a presence,as others have,and Obama isnt committing himself,which is a shame.
I shall withdraw from this thread,as it has never been my intention to offend or bash any country.
If it was down to me,i would have the pleasure of putting a gun barrel in Gaddafis mouth and pulling the trigger,and i am more than capable.
So,lke i said,no offence meant to you or anyone.I will go quietly!
I know your not touting war,not your style,and i would like to see the US show a presence,as others have,and Obama isnt committing himself,which is a shame.
I shall withdraw from this thread,as it has never been my intention to offend or bash any country.
If it was down to me,i would have the pleasure of putting a gun barrel in Gaddafis mouth and pulling the trigger,and i am more than capable.
So,lke i said,no offence meant to you or anyone.I will go quietly!
Fun, I wish you would stay because you seem to have a "real" interest in the situation in Libya and you make valid points...I welcome your input and think all of us should look at the situation from as many angles as possible.....and maybe I am over simplifying...if I am, it comes from a total lack of confidence in Obama, a lack of confidence based solely on his actions since taking office....all of them...He would make a better college professor, at an Ivy League College no less...and as I stated previously, I take no offense to anything you say........I only did that once and we discussed privately it and put it to rest...lets keep it there handsome!!
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CYPRUS MAIL
By Maria Golovnina and Ahmed Jadallah Published on February 26,11
Poor neighbourhoods of the Libyan capital Tripoli openly defied Muammar Gaddafi on Saturday as his grip on power after 41 years of rule looked increasingly tenuous in the face of nationwide revolt.
Security forces had abandoned the working-class Tajoura district after five days of anti-government demonstrations, residents told foreign correspondents who visited the area.
The residents said troops opened fire on demonstrators who tried to march from Tajoura to central Green Square overnight, killing at least five people. The number could not be independently confirmed.
A funeral on Saturday morning for one of the victims turned into another show of defiance against Gaddafi.
"Everyone in Tajoura came out against the government. We saw them killing our people here and everywhere in Libya," a man who identified himself as Ali, aged 25, told Reuters.
"We will demonstrate again and again, today, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow until they change."
The scene in Tajoura contradicted statements by Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, who told reporters on Friday night that peace was returning to Libya.
Much of the east of the oil-producing country, including the second city Benghazi, is in opposition forces' hands.
Gaddafi's strongest European ally, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, said in Rome on Saturday that he no longer appeared to be in control of Libya.
Foreign powers met to discuss punitive actions against Gaddafi and expressed outrage at the tactics used to try to crush the revolt, the bloodiest of a wave of pro-democracy uprisings in the Arab world which has already swept away the longtime rulers of Tunisia and Egypt.
In Washington, U.S. President Barack Obama signed an order prohibiting transactions related to Libya.
"By any measure, Muammar Gaddafi's government has violated international norms and common decency and must be held accountable," Obama said in a statement on Friday.
Diplomats at the United Nations said a vote on a draft resolution calling for an arms embargo on Libya as well as travel bans and asset freezes on its leaders might come on Saturday after U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon said it could not wait.
PALM TREE BARRICADES
In Tajoura, protesters had erected barricades of rocks and palm trees across rubbish-strewn streets, and graffiti covered many walls.
Pro-Gaddafi security forces were nowhere to be seen on Saturday morning but bullet holes in the walls of the tightly packed houses bore testimony to the violence of recent days.
Several thousand people attended the funeral of one of the dead from Friday night's shooting, which quickly turned into another demonstration.
"Gaddafi is the enemy of God," the crowd chanted.
One man named Ismail, who said he was unemployed, told Reuters: "Gaddafi forces came here, they shot everywhere during a demonstration that was peaceful."
Another man said he had seen 20 dead bodies in past two days.
Gaddafi's camp took an optimistic view of the situation confronting the man who took over Libya as a young colonel in a 1969 military coup.
"Peace is coming back to our country," Saif al-Islam Gaddafi told reporters flown into Libya under close government supervision.
"If you hear fireworks don't mistake it for shooting," said the 38-year-old London-educated younger Gaddafi, smiling.
He acknowledged pro-Gaddafi forces had "a problem" with Misrata, Libya's third city, and Zawiyah, also in the west, where protesters had beaten back counter-attacks by the military, but he said the army was prepared to negotiate.
"Hopefully there will be no more bloodshed. By tomorrow we will solve this," he said.
By Maria Golovnina and Ahmed Jadallah Published on February 26,11
Poor neighbourhoods of the Libyan capital Tripoli openly defied Muammar Gaddafi on Saturday as his grip on power after 41 years of rule looked increasingly tenuous in the face of nationwide revolt.
Security forces had abandoned the working-class Tajoura district after five days of anti-government demonstrations, residents told foreign correspondents who visited the area.
The residents said troops opened fire on demonstrators who tried to march from Tajoura to central Green Square overnight, killing at least five people. The number could not be independently confirmed.
A funeral on Saturday morning for one of the victims turned into another show of defiance against Gaddafi.
"Everyone in Tajoura came out against the government. We saw them killing our people here and everywhere in Libya," a man who identified himself as Ali, aged 25, told Reuters.
"We will demonstrate again and again, today, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow until they change."
The scene in Tajoura contradicted statements by Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, who told reporters on Friday night that peace was returning to Libya.
Much of the east of the oil-producing country, including the second city Benghazi, is in opposition forces' hands.
Gaddafi's strongest European ally, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, said in Rome on Saturday that he no longer appeared to be in control of Libya.
Foreign powers met to discuss punitive actions against Gaddafi and expressed outrage at the tactics used to try to crush the revolt, the bloodiest of a wave of pro-democracy uprisings in the Arab world which has already swept away the longtime rulers of Tunisia and Egypt.
In Washington, U.S. President Barack Obama signed an order prohibiting transactions related to Libya.
"By any measure, Muammar Gaddafi's government has violated international norms and common decency and must be held accountable," Obama said in a statement on Friday.
Diplomats at the United Nations said a vote on a draft resolution calling for an arms embargo on Libya as well as travel bans and asset freezes on its leaders might come on Saturday after U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon said it could not wait.
PALM TREE BARRICADES
In Tajoura, protesters had erected barricades of rocks and palm trees across rubbish-strewn streets, and graffiti covered many walls.
Pro-Gaddafi security forces were nowhere to be seen on Saturday morning but bullet holes in the walls of the tightly packed houses bore testimony to the violence of recent days.
Several thousand people attended the funeral of one of the dead from Friday night's shooting, which quickly turned into another demonstration.
"Gaddafi is the enemy of God," the crowd chanted.
One man named Ismail, who said he was unemployed, told Reuters: "Gaddafi forces came here, they shot everywhere during a demonstration that was peaceful."
Another man said he had seen 20 dead bodies in past two days.
Gaddafi's camp took an optimistic view of the situation confronting the man who took over Libya as a young colonel in a 1969 military coup.
"Peace is coming back to our country," Saif al-Islam Gaddafi told reporters flown into Libya under close government supervision.
"If you hear fireworks don't mistake it for shooting," said the 38-year-old London-educated younger Gaddafi, smiling.
He acknowledged pro-Gaddafi forces had "a problem" with Misrata, Libya's third city, and Zawiyah, also in the west, where protesters had beaten back counter-attacks by the military, but he said the army was prepared to negotiate.
"Hopefully there will be no more bloodshed. By tomorrow we will solve this," he said.
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Conrad73: sending more people in harm's way?
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Gaddafi's press trip backfires
Libyan government officials this morning took the international press to a down 30km west of Tripoli to show that Muammar Gaddafi was in control, but found that the town had fallen to the anti-government protesters.
Sky TV's Lisa Holland, who was among the journalists, said it was a surreal experience.
She said people were celebrating in the town square of El Zawiyah and some said Col Gaddafi was 'finished'.
Libyan government officials this morning took the international press to a down 30km west of Tripoli to show that Muammar Gaddafi was in control, but found that the town had fallen to the anti-government protesters.
Sky TV's Lisa Holland, who was among the journalists, said it was a surreal experience.
She said people were celebrating in the town square of El Zawiyah and some said Col Gaddafi was 'finished'.
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leigh2154: Fun, I wish you would stay because you seem to have a "real" interest in the situation in Libya and you make valid points...I welcome your input and think all of us should look at the situation from as many angles as possible.....and maybe I am over simplifying...if I am, it comes from a total lack of confidence in Obama, a lack of confidence based solely on his actions since taking office....all of them...He would make a better college professor, at an Ivy League College no less...and as I stated previously, I take no offense to anything you say........I only did that once and we discussed privately it and put it to rest...lets keep it there handsome!!
Thankyou.I am not the most intellectual of people,and have never claimed to be,or try to impress on others that i am.With my background,and my present role,i do however have strong feelings about people in any walk of life who have to live under duress,and in fear of thier lives.
Experience has taught me that timing is the key to winning anything,and reduces the risk of failure.Imformation is also imperative,and unfortuenetly,in case like this,much of the imformation can be hearsay,exagerated or indeed false.Imformation needs sifting quickly,but as accuratly as can be done,so the correct decisions are made.
I have never said this before,but i dont have a high impression of your president,but he is your president,and it would be wrong of me to run down the president of your country,and insult many of your fellow Americans.
The sorner someone close to Gadaffi does the honourable thing,and terminates him,the better for the people in Libya.
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time4fun4u: Thankyou.I am not the most intellectual of people,and have never claimed to be,or try to impress on others that i am.
With my background,and my present role,i do however have strong feelings about people in any walk of life who have to live under duress,and in fear of thier lives.
Experience has taught me that timing is the key to winning anything,and reduces the risk of failure.Imformation is also imperative,and unfortuenetly,in case like this,much of the imformation can be hearsay,exagerated or indeed false.Imformation needs sifting quickly,but as accuratly as can be done,so the correct decisions are made.
I have never said this before,but i dont have a high impression of your president,but he is your president,and it would be wrong of me to run down the president of your country,and insult many of your fellow Americans.
The sorner someone close to Gadaffi does the honourable thing,and terminates him,the better for the people in Libya.
With my background,and my present role,i do however have strong feelings about people in any walk of life who have to live under duress,and in fear of thier lives.
Experience has taught me that timing is the key to winning anything,and reduces the risk of failure.Imformation is also imperative,and unfortuenetly,in case like this,much of the imformation can be hearsay,exagerated or indeed false.Imformation needs sifting quickly,but as accuratly as can be done,so the correct decisions are made.
I have never said this before,but i dont have a high impression of your president,but he is your president,and it would be wrong of me to run down the president of your country,and insult many of your fellow Americans.
The sorner someone close to Gadaffi does the honourable thing,and terminates him,the better for the people in Libya.
On this, we totally agree...and Obama...I think it is fair for any Country (countrymen) to comment on him good or bad because, like it or not, his actions while in office will impact the World...just the truth of the matter...I am happy to hear you do not have a high impression of the man Fun...in fact, I would like to buy you a drink!!!.
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leigh2154: On this, we totally agree...and Obama...I think it is fair for any Country (countrymen) to comment on him good or bad because, like it or not, his actions while in office will impact the World...just the truth of the matter...I am happy to hear you do not have a high impression of the man Fun...in fact, I would like to buy you a drink!!!.
Do they do room service 
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Conrad73: sending more people in harm's way?
Well make up your minds people.
You want the US there, you don't want the US there
? I've stated what I think multiple times... stay away, for political reasons.
.. is this selective reading again? But... I can't see any harm with being out at sea but still closer than Malta.
Doesn't seem that they've been shooting the refugees out of the water. So why can't boats come and go from the liberated Benghazi end to the ship for supplies and medical help if they need it?I'm asking.
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Sweden is to base a military aircraft in Malta to assist in the evacuation of its nationals from Libya, informed sources said.
Just last week, Sweden’s Interior Minister Tobias Bilstrom and his Maltese counterpart Carm Mifsud Bonnici clashed at an EU ministers' meeting which discussed the possible influx of migrants as a result of the Libyan crisis with Sweden refusing to accept burden sharing incoming refugees.
The government had given its go-ahead in line with humanitarian assistance given to all countries. Clearly Malta's priority is saving people and not political issues at this point.
Just last week, Sweden’s Interior Minister Tobias Bilstrom and his Maltese counterpart Carm Mifsud Bonnici clashed at an EU ministers' meeting which discussed the possible influx of migrants as a result of the Libyan crisis with Sweden refusing to accept burden sharing incoming refugees.
The government had given its go-ahead in line with humanitarian assistance given to all countries. Clearly Malta's priority is saving people and not political issues at this point.
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time4fun4u: Do they do room service
If not, we shall select a room that does!!!!
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gininitaly: Well make up your minds people.
You want the US there, you don't want the US there ?
I've stated what I think multiple times... stay away, for political reasons... is this selective reading again?
But... I can't see any harm with being out at sea but still closer than Malta. Doesn't seem that they've been shooting the refugees out of the water. So why can't boats come and go from the liberated Benghazi end to the ship for supplies and medical help if they need it?
I'm asking.
I think US ships should join the others there.They are not going to war,they are there for humanitarian reasons.You want the US there, you don't want the US there ?
I've stated what I think multiple times... stay away, for political reasons... is this selective reading again?
But... I can't see any harm with being out at sea but still closer than Malta. Doesn't seem that they've been shooting the refugees out of the water. So why can't boats come and go from the liberated Benghazi end to the ship for supplies and medical help if they need it?
I'm asking.
The show of an international prescence never goes amiss,and gives confidence to those mixed up in this.
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leigh2154: If not, we shall select a room that does!!!!
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gininitaly: Well make up your minds people.
You want the US there, you don't want the US there ?
I've stated what I think multiple times... stay away, for political reasons... is this selective reading again?
But... I can't see any harm with being out at sea but still closer than Malta. Doesn't seem that they've been shooting the refugees out of the water. So why can't boats come and go from the liberated Benghazi end to the ship for supplies and medical help if they need it?
I'm asking.
You want the US there, you don't want the US there ?
I've stated what I think multiple times... stay away, for political reasons... is this selective reading again?
But... I can't see any harm with being out at sea but still closer than Malta. Doesn't seem that they've been shooting the refugees out of the water. So why can't boats come and go from the liberated Benghazi end to the ship for supplies and medical help if they need it?
I'm asking.
Beside the Red Cross is a world wide organization, prepared to deploy at a moments notice.. not just American.
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However the transcript appears to record less than I thought I listened to, still some members might care to read it anyway.
I wish everyone else a good nights sleep tonight
Interesting.. thx Rob, g'night