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chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 PostsPrayers does not help the Libyan people right now.All the west has to do is, go in, pick up Gaddafi,hand him over to Libyan people,and leave soon after.
Buffy327: Ur right, it just tears at the heart of others who watch and feel like they need to do something.... All one needs to do now is send up prayers for the oppressed under this dictator.
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Yes you're right some did say so and even workers from some other nationalities. Though the ones that said so were generally ones located in remote areas, some even in oil-rigs hours flight away into the desert so as far as they were concerned nothing particular was happening. Those that were in or around Tripoli or Benghazi had a very different story to tell. A personal friend of mine who reached here Monday was visibly shaken and he had actually acquired a firearm to risk making it to the airport. I suppose that explains what the situation was like there.
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chris27292729: Prayers does not help the Libyan people right now.All the west has to do is, go in, pick up Gaddafi,hand him over to Libyan people,and leave soon after.
So are you field stripping your gear to head out or what? I mean, lead the charge as there is so much to fight for.
And, if you're sticking around the home base to supervise then suggest you find a reason for others to go. Seeing as how ou decided to place so many restrictions on the operation I doubt any will bother to take up your cause.
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chris27292729: The military mission by the west,must be crystal clear."" we go in,we defeat Gaddafi's forces,we hand the rights to the Libyan people,how they want to be governed,before even forming a goverment,and we leave"",and is up to the Libyans what to do,with their new found freedom.
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An unconfirmed report from PressTV states that Gaddafi’s youngest son Saif al-Arab has joined the pro-democracy protesters in Benghazi.
According to the same source, Saif, widely regarded as the most low-profile of Gaddafi's sons, also hinted that his father would commit suicide or flee to Latin America in the face of rising public outcry over his tyrannical rule.
According to the same source, Saif, widely regarded as the most low-profile of Gaddafi's sons, also hinted that his father would commit suicide or flee to Latin America in the face of rising public outcry over his tyrannical rule.
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chris27292729: The sacrifices are right if don't have alterior motives,and if they do have, you have criticism.-In the Libyan case the motives for a military internvention must be clear.- I go in,i defeat the Libyan remaining forces under Gaddafi,i hand the fate of the country to the Libyan people to sort the fate of the country by themselves,and withdraw my forces straight after.
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All they need is a small helping hand,by the west,and in the eyes of the rest of the world,will the liberators not the oppressors,like most world wide think, the west is, in Iraq and Afghanistan.
time4fun4u: I see your point,but i think at the moment,they should be left alone,and given the chance to out him themselves.
Winning ones freedom on your own efforts,is much prefered than other nations stepping in.
Winning ones freedom on your own efforts,is much prefered than other nations stepping in.
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chris27292729: The sacrifices are right if don't have alterior motives,and if they do have, you have criticism.-In the Libyan case the motives for a military internvention must be clear.- I go in,i defeat the Libyan remaining forces under Gaddafi,i hand the fate of the country to the Libyan people to sort the fate of the country by themselves,and withdraw my forces straight after.
If U.S. forces were to intervene in Libya, in order "to free the people", we would be told as we have been for umpteen years now, that "we are not the world's police", "we have no right to force freedom & democracy on others", "we should never invade a country unless we've been attacked by that country".... it goes on & on ad nauseum.IMO-Personally, I think we should stay out of Libya, Iran and whoever else is out there that other countries keep saying "we" should intervene in, but never fail to criticize if we do(unless it's absolutely necessary- until then, if other countries think they should go & help out the Libyans, or any other country, by all means feel free to do so).
-I remember near the end of Bush's term(near the time when Obama had been elected for the next term), other countries wanting Pres. Bush & the U.S. to do something about Iran. I thought to myself - NO WAY!!!! Let someone else make the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th..... move. Someone else can take the blame & criticism, and be called "arrogant", "warmonger", etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
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chris27292729: All they need is a small helping hand,by the west,and in the eyes of the rest of the world,will the liberators not the oppressors,like most world wide think, the west is, in Iraq and Afghanistan.
A good idea in principle,but i still say,at this moment,not possible.------ This thread is Archived ------
chris27292729: All they need is a small helping hand,by the west,and in the eyes of the rest of the world,will the liberators not the oppressors,like most world wide think, the west is, in Iraq and Afghanistan.
If all they need is a small helping hand, then let some other western country/countries do it.We would be roundly criticized for going in, once a few civilians were inadvertently killed, no matter that our own troops would have suffered fatalities as well.
Not to mention the war protesters that would be out in full force all over the world, including in the U.S.(It's really sad Okla. is working on passing a law to keep the protesters away from our dead soldiers' funerals - sad, that is, that such a law is even needed)
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Oh Lady,don't be naive, NO Afghanis and NO Irakis were on the borders of USA threatening your National Security,the motives going to Iraq and Afghanista,were others than your National Security.The pretext of going there was National Security.
SCatlyn: U.S. forces didn't go to Iraq & Afghanistan to free the people in those countries.
If we had, we'd be even more criticized. We went for reasons of National Security.
-Most Americans, however, were overjoyed to see the capture of Saddam from his hidey hole. The majority of Americans don't like seeing any people oppressed & tortured.
If we had, we'd be even more criticized. We went for reasons of National Security.
-Most Americans, however, were overjoyed to see the capture of Saddam from his hidey hole. The majority of Americans don't like seeing any people oppressed & tortured.
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SCatlyn: If U.S. forces were to intervene in Libya, in order "to free the people", we would be told as we have been for umpteen years now, that "we are not the world's police", "we have no right to force freedom & democracy on others", "we should never invade a country unless we've been attacked by that country".... it goes on & on ad nauseum.
IMO-Personally, I think we should stay out of Libya, Iran and whoever else is out there that other countries keep saying "we" should intervene in, but never fail to criticize if we do(unless it's absolutely necessary- until then, if other countries think they should go & help out the Libyans, or any other country, by all means feel free to do so).
-I remember near the end of Bush's term(near the time when Obama had been elected for the next term), other countries wanting Pres. Bush & the U.S. to do something about Iran. I thought to myself - NO WAY!!!! Let someone else make the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th..... move. Someone else can take the blame & criticism, and be called "arrogant", "warmonger", etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
IMO-Personally, I think we should stay out of Libya, Iran and whoever else is out there that other countries keep saying "we" should intervene in, but never fail to criticize if we do(unless it's absolutely necessary- until then, if other countries think they should go & help out the Libyans, or any other country, by all means feel free to do so).
-I remember near the end of Bush's term(near the time when Obama had been elected for the next term), other countries wanting Pres. Bush & the U.S. to do something about Iran. I thought to myself - NO WAY!!!! Let someone else make the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th..... move. Someone else can take the blame & criticism, and be called "arrogant", "warmonger", etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
the problem is moreso that america goes in under the guise of humanitarian efforts, choose american allied regimes, who are not necessarily what the people of that country want, and then the corporates get commissioned to do business there, often pillaging and raping.
there is a heck of a lot more layers to 'humanitarian' than most people realise.
the people in other countries of the world, know what they are doing, and do not need to babysat, specially when the babysitter is going to set up and takeover part of your house
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chris27292729: All they need is a small helping hand,by the west,and in the eyes of the rest of the world,will the liberators not the oppressors,like most world wide think, the west is, in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And they are there for damm good reasons such as the War on Terror. So, you seek to limit the natural progression of democracy by not allowing a constitution to be written by supervising and protecting the government while it is being written.
Interesting. You wish to send the troops out to get shot at until they kill a bunch of people and then, leave, letting the people shoot at themselves again and call it a success.
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It would be nice if this thread didnt end up as America or European bashing.That only causes bitterness amongst the people on here.
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Albertaghost: So are you field stripping your gear to head out or what? I mean, lead the charge as there is so much to fight for.
And, if you're sticking around the home base to supervise then suggest you find a reason for others to go. Seeing as how you decided to place so many restrictions on the operation I doubt any will bother to take up your cause.
Yes, Chris27292729, by all means, lead that charge if you feel it's what needs to be done. You can then assume full responsibility, and take credit for any successes and/or failures.And, if you're sticking around the home base to supervise then suggest you find a reason for others to go. Seeing as how you decided to place so many restrictions on the operation I doubt any will bother to take up your cause.
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Albertaghost: So are you field stripping your gear to head out or what? I mean, lead the charge as there is so much to fight for.
And, if you're sticking around the home base to supervise then suggest you find a reason for others to go. Seeing as how ou decided to place so many restrictions on the operation I doubt any will bother to take up your cause.
And, if you're sticking around the home base to supervise then suggest you find a reason for others to go. Seeing as how ou decided to place so many restrictions on the operation I doubt any will bother to take up your cause.
Here, calm... count to 10 be4 you post... we dont need another war on here... dontcha think?
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emmaline: the problem is moreso that america goes in under the guise of humanitarian efforts, choose american allied regimes, who are not necessarily what the people of that country want, and then the corporates get commissioned to do business there, often pillaging and raping.there is a heck of a lot more layers to 'humanitarian' than most people realise.the people in other countries of the world, know what they are doing, and do not need to babysat, specially when the babysitter is going to set up and takeover part of your house
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chris27292729: Oh Lady,don't be naive, NO Afghanis and NO Irakis were on the borders of USA threatening your National Security,the motives going to Iraq and Afghanista,were others than your National Security.The pretext of going there was National Security.
Wrong. The US went into Afghanistan to enforce their demands to the Taliban who didn't acquiesce to those demands to turn over Al Qaeda leadership and tear down training camps.
The reasons for going in to Iraq were to enforce UNSC ceasefire conditions. The American people were told the US wished to enforce those resolutions because Iraq could process material which could be sold, given, or manufactured for terrorist activities against the US.
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time4fun4u: It would be nice if this thread didnt end up as America or European bashing.That only causes bitterness amongst the people on here.
Hi Time...
Exactly.. its been long hard week for me at least, and I am on here just to hear updates which Zeus does so well...
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time4fun4u: It would be nice if this thread didnt end up as America or European bashing.That only causes bitterness amongst the people on here.
I like Europeans. I was just in the U.K. a couple of months ago. That's where my profile photo was taken. But have been told since I was 18, that most do not like Americans(and it's gotten worse, of course, in the past years).
However, that will never stop me from being good friends with individual people... from anywhere(you can see that just by looking at "My Friends".... when my profile isn't hidden.)
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