The true meaning of Jeses' message and what really happened (109)
My laptop battery is going..have to sign-off!! Good to see the regulars....have fun...be back another time to read the very interesting perspectives!! 
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rubendario: Hi amahlala! Which book?
Uppity Women of Ancient Times (pgs. 112-113)
Check out the little writings on Deborah, Salome, Jael and Jezebel too!
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Frankinstien: The Catholics do it better because they have been at it longer ! Give the other ones time and they will be just as bad . Before I go any further I must tell you that I do not have anything aginst anyones beliefs . I strongly belive in the First Ammendment . I only take exception to the ones that do all the evil deeds . Kind of funney in a way , they rile about evil and the devil then go out of there way to immulate him !. . . .
Religion is akin to kids in the playground arguing.."my imaginary friend is better than yours!"
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amahlala: Uppity Women of Ancient Times (pgs. 112-113)
Check out the little writings on Deborah, Salome, Jael and Jezebel too!
Hi Ruben
Check out the little writings on Deborah, Salome, Jael and Jezebel too!
Hi Ruben
I so want to read this book!
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solsticemoon: Religion is akin to kids in the playground arguing.."my imaginary friend is better than yours!"
Oh yah ! Well my God can beat your God ! And I have the army to prove it so there ! . . . . . . . .OK just kidding. . . . . . . . Say while we are on the subject of Jesus, you don't have to be religious to follow his teachings . He is more of a social message than a religious one . You can be Agnostic or even an Athiest and still be a Christian . All you have to do is be respectfull of others ! . . . . 
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Frankinstien: Oh yah ! Well my God can beat your God ! And I have the army to prove it so there ! . . . . . . . .OK just kidding. . . . . . . . Say while we are on the subject of Jesus, you don't have to be religious to follow his teachings . He is more of a social message than a religious one . You can be Agnostic or even an Athiest and still be a Christian . All you have to do is be respectfull of others ! . . . .
I actually respect other people because I and thats a capital I, believe thats how it should be...not because I put a quid in a collection box and get told what to think!
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jac379: Good God, man!
The English...errr...ummm....wish to...errr...ummmmm...well...wish to change the subject, dammit! :blush: :blush: :blush:
The English...errr...ummm....wish to...errr...ummmmm...well...wish to change the subject, dammit! :blush: :blush: :blush:
seems I`ve killed this thread ...
sorry folks ... carry on ...
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Frankinstien: Oh yah ! Well my God can beat your God ! And I have the army to prove it so there ! . . . . . . . .OK just kidding. . . . . . . . Say while we are on the subject of Jesus, you don't have to be religious to follow his teachings . He is more of a social message than a religious one . You can be Agnostic or even an Athiest and still be a Christian . All you have to do is be respectfull of others ! . . . .
I agree with this whole-heartedly.
One could even say that many unbelievers who don't have all the thingymajig baggage of organised and institutionalized religion, do it really, rather well.
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jac379: I so want to read this book!
She has a whole series on Uppity Women throughout the ages!
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My hope is that one day religious sects will figure out that its all just branches on the same tree...Until that time they are the most hopeless individuals on earth JMO 
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venusenvy: My hope is that one day religious sects will figure out that its all just branches on the same tree...Until that time they are the most hopeless individuals on earth JMO
Just to clarify, Im not refering to people who quietly practise thier beliefs and carry faith in thier hearts. Im talking about the whacked out thumpers that do the whole "My god is better than your god" Yakkity Yak. And insist on inflicting thier irrational blind faith on anyone who doesnt run away fast enough
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venusenvy: Just to clarify, Im not refering to people who quietly practise thier beliefs and carry faith in thier hearts. Im talking about the whacked out thumpers that do the whole "My god is better than your god" Yakkity Yak. And insist on inflicting thier irrational blind faith on anyone who doesnt run away fast enough
I have found, in my experience with many religious people, the more the preach and have a God medallion hanging around their necks, the worst they are as far as any kid of ethical code, trustworthiness, honesty and plain decent common sense.
As soon as I meet someone that's just plain real and shows themselves to be just themselves without Jesus this or the Devil that the more respect I have for them.
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One of the reasons people do not believe the bible is because they can't bear to give up what they love
we all serve somebody, willingly or not.
we all serve somebody, willingly or not.
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rubendario: Hi Boban1! But that's it, some of these authors, there are many to list, have some very radical ideas. Political in that the leaders at the time were trying to cover up some much larger secret and what he was really saying. Some think "like the last book of the bible" that things will be revealed very soon(Revelation).
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rubendario: Now, you put it in simple terms, why do the televangelists(wearing thousands of dollar suits) put fear in the message and then ask you for money?
I think the money part is self explanatory LOL If they didn't fleece the beleivers they'd be digging ditches.
Oh and I am a believer in Jesus as the Christ. So I'm not busting my fellows.
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rubendario: I am curious to get some responses to those whom have done some research on the Bible and the Jesus story. I would like to read responses from those whom have gotten past the Religious Dogma and accept the fact that those manuscripts have been changed hundreds of times and their true meaning completely distorted.
There are many authors now who have done their research and have published their findings and have come to some very interesting theories. The interesting thing about many of these authors is that they have received some of their researched revelations via an outside supernatural influence either through channelling, dreams, extraterrestrial or other paranormal means. The interesting thing to me, is that those characters within the bible itself have received such revelations the very same way. Now many of these authors are very well educated and have also used Ancient History, Archeology, Anthropology, Linguistics, Mythology and Folklore, Physics, other Religions to support their point of view.
What's your theory? What was Jesus really trying to say?
If your head is stuck in-between the front and back cover of the bible and can't venture out, don't bother responding!
There are many authors now who have done their research and have published their findings and have come to some very interesting theories. The interesting thing about many of these authors is that they have received some of their researched revelations via an outside supernatural influence either through channelling, dreams, extraterrestrial or other paranormal means. The interesting thing to me, is that those characters within the bible itself have received such revelations the very same way. Now many of these authors are very well educated and have also used Ancient History, Archeology, Anthropology, Linguistics, Mythology and Folklore, Physics, other Religions to support their point of view.
What's your theory? What was Jesus really trying to say?
If your head is stuck in-between the front and back cover of the bible and can't venture out, don't bother responding!
Well yea, but it's sanctimonious to revere the same doctrine forever. Any doctrine, any constitution, any institution needs to change to reflect the times otherwise we'd forever be living in the shadow of our barbarous ancestors.
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psychochicken6: One of the reasons people do not believe the bible is because they can't bear to give up what they love
we all serve somebody, willingly or not.
we all serve somebody, willingly or not.
I have posted this before but it seems a good place to reiterate this..
The bible is not believable for a number of other key reasons..
The things you have to bear in mind it
1. The scriptures weren’t written till up to 200 years after Jesus's death
2. The stories of his life will have be passed by mouth for those 2 centuries
3. Stories sound better when you add the element of magic and mystery and are embellished
4. The scriptures were written by people who believed he was the messiah and they would have ensured that that view was the only one presented within them
5. The church has rewritten sections to match their wants over the past 2 millennium and translated things in a way favourable to support their own beliefs.
Some people attempt to re-write history to suite their belief systems. The fact is that the writers of the 4 gospels chosen to be in the New Testament were not direct disciples of Jesus nor were they alive when he was. There were hundreds of different gospels written in the 200 years after the death of Jesus my many writers and most of them were attributed to the original disciples as well as both Mary's. The Gospel of John found in our modern bible was written around 150 AD. (And not by John the disciple who was already dead at the time).
Of the hundreds written, the 4 gospels selected to be included in the New Testament were chosen under very suspicious circumstances in the 4th century for political reasons. It was written and edited by the council of Nicaea during the reign of the pagan king Constantine. Constantine wanted everyone united under a single religion so there would be no uprisings so he had the bible complied, edited and written to meet this need. One could safely assume they picked the ones with the enhancements and embellishments that support the idea of him being the true Messiah.
There is plenty of evidence that suggests Jesus was crucified next to two members of the ‘Lestai’.
The King James version translates this as thieves but in reality the men who were crucified with Jesus were members of the Fourth Philosophy (a Jewish sect that rebelled against Rome) who took the name of Lestai. The were otherwise knowd as the 'Nazarians' after the town they came from Nazereth.
The members of the Fourth Philosophy were normally always crucified because they were rebels against Rome. Given the fact he came from Nazereth and was crucified with these two Nazarians, there is a strong possiblity he was associated with this rebel movement.
If you are truly interested there are hundreds of books and scholarly articles written on early Christian history and it is a very interesting subject. You might start with ‘Christian Anti-Semitism, A History of Hate’ by William Nichols and ‘The Rise and Fall of the Judean State’ by Solomon Zeitlin
Hope this helps
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rubendario: I have found, in my experience with many religious people, the more the preach and have a God medallion hanging around their necks, the worst they are as far as any kid of ethical code, trustworthiness, honesty and plain decent common sense.
As soon as I meet someone that's just plain real and shows themselves to be just themselves without Jesus this or the Devil that the more respect I have for them.
As soon as I meet someone that's just plain real and shows themselves to be just themselves without Jesus this or the Devil that the more respect I have for them.
I agree with that
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rubendario: I am curious to get some responses to those whom have done some research on the Bible and the Jesus story. I would like to read responses from those whom have gotten past the Religious Dogma and accept the fact that those manuscripts have been changed hundreds of times and their true meaning completely distorted.
There are many authors now who have done their research and have published their findings and have come to some very interesting theories. The interesting thing about many of these authors is that they have received some of their researched revelations via an outside supernatural influence either through channelling, dreams, extraterrestrial or other paranormal means. The interesting thing to me, is that those characters within the bible itself have received such revelations the very same way. Now many of these authors are very well educated and have also used Ancient History, Archeology, Anthropology, Linguistics, Mythology and Folklore, Physics, other Religions to support their point of view.
What's your theory? What was Jesus really trying to say?
If your head is stuck in-between the front and back cover of the bible and can't venture out, don't bother responding!
There are many authors now who have done their research and have published their findings and have come to some very interesting theories. The interesting thing about many of these authors is that they have received some of their researched revelations via an outside supernatural influence either through channelling, dreams, extraterrestrial or other paranormal means. The interesting thing to me, is that those characters within the bible itself have received such revelations the very same way. Now many of these authors are very well educated and have also used Ancient History, Archeology, Anthropology, Linguistics, Mythology and Folklore, Physics, other Religions to support their point of view.
What's your theory? What was Jesus really trying to say?
If your head is stuck in-between the front and back cover of the bible and can't venture out, don't bother responding!
The meaning of all religion from a Human and evolutionary point of view is to hold back Nihilism, as people of faith are much stronger than people who regard life as meaningless.
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I don`t know how to put this in English ,but it seems that the society wasn`t ready or developed for his teaching and ideas
Spot on, Boban.
I think a reasonably popular way of saying it is, "he was before his time", but I suspect quite a lot of English people may have trouble understanding that slightly strange phrase out of context.