Are you middle-aged and not working? ( Archived) (81)

Apr 7, 2011 12:48 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
tomcat1968
tomcat1968tomcat1968norwich, Norfolk, England UK24 Threads 1 Polls 1,783 Posts
Unemployment stinks at any age, i know being unemployed. what really anoys me is when you send an application and the employer says they will reply they never do, it would be nice to get some information why the application faild and what i could do to rectify it in the future.
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Apr 7, 2011 12:50 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
I think in general people need to bear in mind that it is difficult to obtain work when you are older. To possibly cushion that blow it is a good idea to do home study or build up some skills or home study to update skills to hopefully help if things get tough. Thankfully I work at home typing which is brilliant as it is more efficient that someone typing in an office with phone interruptions etc. If people are lucky enough to have a job they should prepare themselves in case life decides to go pear-shaped on them. Build up skills to prepare, perhaps do voluntary work too, in order to have more skills under your belt.
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Apr 7, 2011 12:51 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
winter_aires
winter_aireswinter_airesLas Vegas, Nevada USA26 Posts
amahlala: Hi MF!

I agree it is bogus to higher at the lower end of the pay scale in order to keep the sheeples herded...but it's what I hear and see every day.

Would love to work for myself but the means just aren't there at the moment. I do work with my sister on her magazine and social community that she owns and operates (she helps reunite adoptees and their birth families) but obviously this is not something one does for the money nor the prestige.

Lala!


Haha what prestige? money? or for that matter recognition?

lol its all done to help other people
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Apr 7, 2011 12:52 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
AtwoZ
AtwoZAtwoZunknown, Halland Sweden199 Threads 1,699 Posts
tomcat1968: Unemployment stinks at any age, i know being unemployed. what really anoys me is when you send an application and the employer says they will reply they never do, it would be nice to get some information why the application faild and what i could do to rectify it in the future.
Right!I have a job right now,but we´re down our knees..So,I´ve been applying for quite a few jobs,but no-one even bothers to call or write back....

I know what it´s like.....it stinks,-yes....
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Apr 7, 2011 12:53 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
amahlala
amahlalaamahlalaAberdeen, South Dakota USA21 Threads 8,314 Posts
tomcat1968: Unemployment stinks at any age, i know being unemployed. what really anoys me is when you send an application and the employer says they will reply they never do, it would be nice to get some information why the application faild and what i could do to rectify it in the future.


That would be nice, even a form letter saying "thanks but no thanks" would be helpful but companies are not required to send out letters or tell you why you were not considered for the position.

With so many unemployed and looking for work right now, more and more companies are becoming more selective over who they will hire and who they will not. There are some interesting "codes" that they use to determine who will best fit into their company, just being unemployed is a big red flag for some individuals, as companies are not willing to hire someone who has is currently unemployed, figuring they are hiring a "risk" no matter the individual's reason(s) for being unemployed. They are also lowering pay scale, degree requirements and length of employment in a field, so that they can get the most work out of a person for the least amount of pay.
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Apr 7, 2011 12:55 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
amahlala
amahlalaamahlalaAberdeen, South Dakota USA21 Threads 8,314 Posts
winter_aires: Haha what prestige? money? or for that matter recognition?

lol its all done to help other people


That's what I meant, there is no prestige or money in it but what you do is very important for those that need the help and assistance (MOM)!

bouquet hug
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Apr 7, 2011 12:56 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
AtwoZ
AtwoZAtwoZunknown, Halland Sweden199 Threads 1,699 Posts
A bit out of this thread,but curious.

What´s the unemployment figures in the US?
And how many people is it?
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Apr 7, 2011 1:12 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
amahlala
amahlalaamahlalaAberdeen, South Dakota USA21 Threads 8,314 Posts
AtwoZ: A bit out of this thread,but curious.

What´s the unemployment figures in the US?
And how many people is it?


Here is a good link to help answer some questions:

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Apr 7, 2011 1:12 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
tomcat1968
tomcat1968tomcat1968norwich, Norfolk, England UK24 Threads 1 Polls 1,783 Posts
amahlala: I've been "contributing" to society since I was 14, my first paying job was a receptionist in Hawaii, working 2 hours after school, three days a week.

I've worked my whole adult life and this is my first period of being unemployed for any length of time over one month. I've never had a problem getting jobs before based on my work ethic alone and even my "network" is unable to provide leads that would assist me.
Amahlaala I was on about politicians within the uk.

never known a job market like this even the 1989s were not this bad. Im over qualified for some jobs under qualified for others and inexperinced fear i cannot win at the moment and would love to get up to go to work as much for the interaction as the money
Goodluck with your job search Amahlala
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Apr 7, 2011 1:13 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
AtwoZ
AtwoZAtwoZunknown, Halland Sweden199 Threads 1,699 Posts
amahlala: Here is a good link to help answer some questions:

Thank´s alot!!!
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Apr 7, 2011 1:17 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
amahlala
amahlalaamahlalaAberdeen, South Dakota USA21 Threads 8,314 Posts
tomcat1968: Amahlaala I was on about politicians within the uk.

never known a job market like this even the 1989s were not this bad. Im over qualified for some jobs under qualified for others and inexperinced fear i cannot win at the moment and would love to get up to go to work as much for the interaction as the money
Goodluck with your job search Amahlala


I understand what you meant, even here it is like that. If you tell some people you are unemployed, they assume that you are worthless or just siphoning off of the system and the politicians in their little ivory towers have no clue about how being unemployed affects an individuals life.

Good luck with your search too Tomcat!handshake
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Apr 7, 2011 1:18 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
NJGirl
NJGirlNJGirlRed Bank, New Jersey USA1 Threads 7 Posts
Hi, want to comment on the well educated gal, with all the experience having a hard time finding work.

I have been out of work for over 2 years due to health reasons unfortunately, but have interviewed for many jobs. I learned that I actually had to tone down my resume for any chances to get a job at a lower level than I was actually qualified for.

The reason is that I too am over qualified for many jobs but chose to apply for lower level jobs due to my health issues.

It helped to tone down my resume, not actually omit anything but not elaborate so much on the details. Its not my favorite way of doing things but it did get me interviews and left be feeling real crappy.

In the long run I am in school at almost age 50 and hopefully will be graduating soon and taking the state boards for my nursing license.

Good luck to all
Donna
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Apr 7, 2011 6:21 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
head banger what up red baaaaank!!

welcome to CS
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Apr 7, 2011 11:40 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
amahlala: Unemployment is not for people too scared to change. I am in school currently (another debt burden) to get a degree in the field I enjoy and still searching for work. Almost two years Alberta and I have the folders, files and rejections letters for everything I have applied for.


The change required is go where the work is and stop competing with other people similar to you in experience and circumstance.

winter_aires: Interesting Alberta that you would make a comment such as this one. For many of us, Amahlala and myself included, we have "left our home" and still receive more rejection letters than interview requests.


I don't send letters. I go where the work is or, used to. Now I am where the work is. Few do this and in remote areas employers will not hire over the phone for semi skilled help as they cannot afford to ship the person there and back if it doesn't work out so they wait for a person who is willing to make the trip and is acceptable in experience (sometimes experience means owning an alarm clock).
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Apr 7, 2011 11:52 PM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Got an inside tip from my best friend and walked into his concrete company and spoke to the owner and gave him my bullet resume with phone numbers of people who would vouch for me. He said if I was a friend of so and so I was ok with him but was full up and couldn't just fire somebody. I said 'why not, I'm worth it' and next thing he asked me when I could start. I stood up, pulled my work gloves out of my back pocket and said 'now.'

See, I am a retiree from the military without a real vocation and I feel for those who are well trained in their fields but, you have to sacrifice in order to move ahead.

Having a year long lapse in a resume is a warning signal that there is something wrong, that the person applying isn't going to take the bull by the horns so to speak. however, a guy or gal working in an oil installation with the skills you list that does his job, is agreeable, uses her initiative and has no problem working for the company will go far. And, if an when a job opening comes up that requires any of the skills you have then they will hire a loyal employee that they know well before taking a stranger out of the blue who has sent a resume such as you are now to all those you send them out to.

Having a job in any field is a far better way to find the job you want than being unemployed. Employers like firecrackers who work hard and gravitate to them. Nobody who needs a great employee puts out minimum wage and hence, shun the want ads, unemployment offices and just go door to door - the further the door is from the general population the greater the chances of finding a higher paying unadvertised job.
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Apr 8, 2011 2:12 AM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
winter_aires:
So, as for your statement....wrong buddy


My statement;

"I think that if you can leave home or, can get rid of the reasons you can't then there is no reason why you couldn't have been making fifty grand plus all this time.

Unemployment is for people too scared to change."

Your idea of change is to do the same thing that didn't work for years pushing the same skills in the same environment both geographically and social wise. It has not worked for you.

On the other hand, "I think that if you can leave home or, can get rid of the reasons you can't, then there is no reason why you couldn't have been making fifty grand plus all this time.

Unemployment is for people too scared to change."

Perhaps I should have mentioned change beyond your comfort level.
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Apr 8, 2011 2:29 AM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
tomcat1968
tomcat1968tomcat1968norwich, Norfolk, England UK24 Threads 1 Polls 1,783 Posts
Albertaghost: My statement;

"I think that if you can leave home or, can get rid of the reasons you can't then there is no reason why you couldn't have been making fifty grand plus all this time.

Unemployment is for people too scared to change."

Your idea of change is to do the same thing that didn't work for years pushing the same skills in the same environment both geographically and social wise. It has not worked for you.

On the other hand, "I think that if you can leave home or, can get rid of the reasons you can't, then there is no reason why you couldn't have been making fifty grand plus all this time.

Unemployment is for people too scared to change."

Perhaps I should have mentioned change beyond your comfort level.
WHAT A load of Rubbish. Unemployment was not my choice it was thrust upon me and now i have to live with it day in day out. Im not to scared to change just no work about in a small city with 435 poeple going for each job. And why sshould i move away from my children and have them resent me for it sorry Alberta but your out of order here mate JMHO
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Apr 8, 2011 2:43 AM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
tomcat1968: WHAT A load of Rubbish. Unemployment was not my choice it was thrust upon me and now i have to live with it day in day out. Im not to scared to change just no work about in a small city with 435 poeple going for each job. And why sshould i move away from my children and have them resent me for it sorry Alberta but your out of order here mate JMHO


Why should you move? I agree. Applying for the same job as everybody else is such a bonus. And to do it time after time and not learn anything from the experiences is indicative that maybe I should make a change. Let some other guy get the job. After all, he's willing to move and, bet he thanks you for being the way you are.

I said;

"I think that if you can leave home or, can get rid of the reasons you can't then there is no reason why you couldn't have been making fifty grand plus all this time.

Unemployment is for people too scared to change."

So, your kids can thank you for staying at home unemployed rather than moving on for a few months and finding employment in another area that needs people with your skills and sending for them later That is your decision, but, to those who say there are no jobs I say they are wrong. There are jobs. Just jobs they don't want.
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Apr 8, 2011 3:28 AM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
tomcat1968
tomcat1968tomcat1968norwich, Norfolk, England UK24 Threads 1 Polls 1,783 Posts
Albertaghost: Why should you move? I agree. Applying for the same job as everybody else is such a bonus. And to do it time after time and not learn anything from the experiences is indicative that maybe I should make a change. Let some other guy get the job. After all, he's willing to move and, bet he thanks you for being the way you are.

I said;

"I think that if you can leave home or, can get rid of the reasons you can't then there is no reason why you couldn't have been making fifty grand plus all this time.

Unemployment is for people too scared to change."

So, your kids can thank you for staying at home unemployed rather than moving on for a few months and finding employment in another area that needs people with your skills and sending for them later That is your decision, but, to those who say there are no jobs I say they are wrong. There are jobs. Just jobs they don't want.
oF COURSE aLBERTA yOUR AN EXPERT ON bRITISH GEOGRAPHY, uNEMPLOYMENT AND MY CHILDREN JUST THINK YOUR SILLY AND FROM A GENERATION THAT WAS LUCKY WITH WORK. SEND FOR MY CHILDREN AND STOP THEM SEEING THEIR MOTHER STOPP THEM FROM GOING TO THE GREAT SCHOOLS THEY GO TO STOP THEM FROM SEEING THEIR FREINDS. YOU ARE TWONK WITH A CAPITAL A
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Apr 8, 2011 7:04 AM CST Are you middle-aged and not working?
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
tomcat1968: WHAT A load of Rubbish. Unemployment was not my choice it was thrust upon me and now i have to live with it day in day out. Im not to scared to change just no work about in a small city with 435 poeple going for each job. And why sshould i move away from my children and have them resent me for it sorry Alberta but your out of order here mate JMHO


You do live in a rural part of the UK so I can understand the difficulty you are having. In my opinion unless you have full custody of your children it might be a good idea to look for work elsewhere as I know there is nothing round Norfolk - almost as bad as Cornwall. Do you do voluntary work? If not, have a look here:



I almost guarantee if you do a significant amount of voluntary work (remember your fares and usually lunches are paid for plus expenses in some cases) your CV will look better and employers will be more interested in you. Are you on the New Deal scheme. Could they put you on a Work Trial. Stationery, printing off CVs, etc., are all free of charge even if not on New Deal. In your spare time do some studying if not already.
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