Sin sacrifice? (254)
revealer24: Let's see. I post my thoughts in a religious thread. People have the choice of ignoring it or getting involved. So they choose to get involved, they respond, and then they complain why I posted my ideas.
LOL. Can you make sense of this? I didn't ask anyone to get involved.
LOL. Can you make sense of this? I didn't ask anyone to get involved.
and you notice, although I could quote scriptures, I dont.
I have done enuff research over my lifetime to know that the arguements started way back with the Hebrews over translations, that they cannot agree over what is exactly said as their language does not allow direct translation, even within the same language.
Forgive me, I think it is because the language doesnt not have vowels, and the interpretation can be changed by using the wrong letter. (dont shoot me if this is not correct, I am working off a hazy memory and am not going to net surf to correlate this. Someone else can)
So this argument has been a constant for over 2000 years and if the contemparies of the original writers or scribes as they were known, could not agree or solve it, is it really likely that people on a forum will??
so many will continue to argue the unwinnable fight, I prefer to get on with life and stick with the faith I have grown and evolved over my life time. It is mine, and right for me, just like every person will come to their own conclusion. Just some feel they have to prove their own beliefs to other.
To each their own
AgentAjax: NO? Fear of religious rule, disappointing and as well as dishonour your family. Children taken away from you and given to the father, who was a provider…or they became the property of the state.
None of these. They were not religious. They simply stayed together because we were a family. At that time people didn't have this throw-away mentality.
unless all at church 
oh they might be, even if unlikely..
how you going mate
how you going mate
robplum: oh they might be, even if unlikely..
how you going mate
Yeh good thanx rob, hope your good how you going mate
off to bed now up at 3 for work 
Hope you have a top day cya jem1964: and you notice, although I could quote scriptures, I dont.
I have done enuff research over my lifetime to know that the arguements started way back with the Hebrews over translations, that they cannot agree over what is exactly said as their language does not allow direct translation, even within the same language.
Forgive me, I think it is because the language doesnt not have vowels, and the interpretation can be changed by using the wrong letter. (dont shoot me if this is not correct, I am working off a hazy memory and am not going to net surf to correlate this. Someone else can)
So this argument has been a constant for over 2000 years and if the contemparies of the original writers or scribes as they were known, could not agree or solve it, is it really likely that people on a forum will??
so many will continue to argue the unwinnable fight, I prefer to get on with life and stick with the faith I have grown and evolved over my life time. It is mine, and right for me, just like every person will come to their own conclusion. Just some feel they have to prove their own beliefs to other.
To each their own
I have done enuff research over my lifetime to know that the arguements started way back with the Hebrews over translations, that they cannot agree over what is exactly said as their language does not allow direct translation, even within the same language.
Forgive me, I think it is because the language doesnt not have vowels, and the interpretation can be changed by using the wrong letter. (dont shoot me if this is not correct, I am working off a hazy memory and am not going to net surf to correlate this. Someone else can)
So this argument has been a constant for over 2000 years and if the contemparies of the original writers or scribes as they were known, could not agree or solve it, is it really likely that people on a forum will??
so many will continue to argue the unwinnable fight, I prefer to get on with life and stick with the faith I have grown and evolved over my life time. It is mine, and right for me, just like every person will come to their own conclusion. Just some feel they have to prove their own beliefs to other.
To each their own
:-)
"The Torah scrolls that we read from in synagogue are unpointed text, with no vowels or musical notes, so the ability to read a passage from a scroll is a valuable skill, and usually requires substantial advance preparation (reviewing the passage in a text with points)."
I prefer discussions, not arguments. I don't like the "My dad is stronger than yours" type of fights. In discussions we pull apart ideas and we all win. Or nobody wins. The goal shall not be winning, but learning from each other.
Revealer, try the movie Zeitgeist for an explanation.
underwaterman: Revealer, try the movie Zeitgeist for an explanation.
"Zeitgeist: The Movie is a 2007 documentary film by Peter Joseph. It asserts a number of conspiracy theory-based ideas, including the Christ myth theory, alternative theories for the parties responsible for the September 11 attacks in 2001 and that bankers manipulate the international monetary system and the media in order to consolidate power."
I was talking about reputable sources, not conspiracy theories.
underwaterman: Revealer, try the movie Zeitgeist for an explanation.
Maybe scholarly works like these:
AgentAjax: Actually all scholarly translations are that simular its really hard to find contradictions
I am not buying the idea that all scholarly translations are similar. You would never find forgeries in scholarly translation. The ones produced by that guy is fake. I don't waste my time on them.
revealer24: I am not buying the idea that all scholarly translations are similar. You would never find forgeries in scholarly translation. The ones produced by that guy is fake. I don't waste my time on them.
We know those tablets were first decoded by Georg Friedrich Grotefend and Sir Henry Rawlinson back in the 1800’s both decoded those texts with very little variation. Also since then there has been around 2000 other artifacts recovered such as cups, plates, tools etc allot of those also had inscriptions, which added further summery of Sumerian culture and their beliefs. I know how beliefs work, when you set your mind on one the minded refuses to look at other facts which might have inspired the Jewish and Muslim religions.
AgentAjax: We know those tablets were first decoded by Georg Friedrich Grotefend and Sir Henry Rawlinson back in the 1800’s both decoded those texts with very little variation. Also since then there has been around 2000 other artifacts recovered such as cups, plates, tools etc allot of those also had inscriptions, which added further summery of Sumerian culture and their beliefs.
I know how beliefs work, when you set your mind on one the minded refuses to look at other facts which might have inspired the Jewish and Muslim religions.
I know how beliefs work, when you set your mind on one the minded refuses to look at other facts which might have inspired the Jewish and Muslim religions.
I am not talking about beliefs here. The guy who produced the videos you posted is a fraud and the content of the videos are false.
If you know a website where the scholarly translation is displayed I will have a look. I am not interested in those dumb videos.
AgentAjax: We know those tablets were first decoded by Georg Friedrich Grotefend and Sir Henry Rawlinson back in the 1800’s both decoded those texts with very little variation. Also since then there has been around 2000 other artifacts recovered such as cups, plates, tools etc allot of those also had inscriptions, which added further summery of Sumerian culture and their beliefs.
I know how beliefs work, when you set your mind on one the minded refuses to look at other facts which might have inspired the Jewish and Muslim religions.
I know how beliefs work, when you set your mind on one the minded refuses to look at other facts which might have inspired the Jewish and Muslim religions.
These are scholarly translations of various ancient texts, but the Sumerian is not among them:
revealer24: I am not talking about beliefs here. The guy who produced the videos you posted is a fraud and the content of the videos are false.
If you know a website where the scholarly translation is displayed I will have a look. I am not interested in those dumb videos.
I think you must be confusing your posts with mine, as I don’t recall posting any videos on Sumerians? If you know a website where the scholarly translation is displayed I will have a look. I am not interested in those dumb videos.
AgentAjax: I think you must be confusing your posts with mine, as I don’t recall posting any videos on Sumerians?
You are right. Apologies for the mistake, my memory plays up sometimes. I saw the video on the site you posted. This was what you wrote:
"The Sumerian creation story.
"
Now these are the videos that the site displays:
These videos are all from "squibblejack" and they are fake.
Here is what you should have a look:
There are some elements that have some similarity with the Genesis account, but very little. I don't see why we need to suppose that the Sumerian account has to be the source of the other.
In my model a single monotheistic creation story existed long before these accounts. The Sumerian story was the derivative and modification of this story as adopted by a polytheistic culture.
Humans have the tendency to believe in many gods, as you can see even on the pages of the TaNaKh. Or perhaps just think about the various saints of the Catholic Church (no offence intended). Belief in a single Creator doesn't come naturally, and as one can see in the bible it had to be enforced by the Torah.
So it is much easier to see how polytheistic variants developed from a monotheistic creation story rather than the other way around.
If you weren't so full of your self righteousness and listened closely to other opinions posted in this thread, and looked into what has been shared with you, you don't stand a chance of understanding why some say there are many gods.
For as long as you stick with your limited perceptions derived from your closed mindedness, you cannot even start to understand why other hold what you label as worshipping or believing in more than one god.
For as long as you stick with your limited perceptions derived from your closed mindedness, you cannot even start to understand why other hold what you label as worshipping or believing in more than one god.
robplum: If you weren't so full of your self righteousness and listened closely to other opinions posted in this thread, and looked into what has been shared with you, you don't stand a chance of understanding why some say there are many gods.
For as long as you stick with your limited perceptions derived from your closed mindedness, you cannot even start to understand why other hold what you label as worshipping or believing in more than one god.
For as long as you stick with your limited perceptions derived from your closed mindedness, you cannot even start to understand why other hold what you label as worshipping or believing in more than one god.
Oh, shall I expect anything else but insult? Some of you guys are so good at it.
Why do you think I don't consider other opinions? But if they don't make sense to me I discard them. Do I need your permission to do so or do I have to accept everything others say without questioning them?
That kind of idea might fit a fundamentalist system, but I have absolutely no interest in giving up my freedom of thought.
Just as I don't expect others to adopt my views I think it is totally inappropriate for others to demand that I accept theirs.
We are here for discussions, not brain washing.
Thanks for your input anyway...
revealer24: You are right. Apologies for the mistake, my memory plays up sometimes. I saw the video on the site you posted. This was what you wrote:
"The Sumerian creation story.
Now these are the videos that the site displays:
These videos are all from "squibblejack" and they are fake.
Here is what you should have a look:
There are some elements that have some similarity with the Genesis account, but very little. I don't see why we need to suppose that the Sumerian account has to be the source of the other.
In my model a single monotheistic creation story existed long before these accounts. The Sumerian story was the derivative and modification of this story as adopted by a polytheistic culture.
Humans have the tendency to believe in many gods, as you can see even on the pages of the TaNaKh. Or perhaps just think about the various saints of the Catholic Church (no offence intended). Belief in a single Creator doesn't come naturally, and as one can see in the bible it had to be enforced by the Torah.
So it is much easier to see how polytheistic variants developed from a monotheistic creation story rather than the other way around.
"The Sumerian creation story.
Now these are the videos that the site displays:
These videos are all from "squibblejack" and they are fake.
Here is what you should have a look:
There are some elements that have some similarity with the Genesis account, but very little. I don't see why we need to suppose that the Sumerian account has to be the source of the other.
In my model a single monotheistic creation story existed long before these accounts. The Sumerian story was the derivative and modification of this story as adopted by a polytheistic culture.
Humans have the tendency to believe in many gods, as you can see even on the pages of the TaNaKh. Or perhaps just think about the various saints of the Catholic Church (no offence intended). Belief in a single Creator doesn't come naturally, and as one can see in the bible it had to be enforced by the Torah.
So it is much easier to see how polytheistic variants developed from a monotheistic creation story rather than the other way around.
Everything has an expiry date and so do main stream religions. A new religion will be born worth dyeing for like so many times before, with something new, something old and something borrowed.
In my opinion Sumerians were the go to culture in the same way Greeks and Roams were once upon a time. The Sumerians started a trend, Egyptians developed it, Jewish exploited it and Romans perfected it. I cannot see it any other way.
I believe Rob was referring to the way you speak to people... A.Ajax was being perfectly polite and and you snapped back about his dumb video's WHICH I might add he did not push onto you anyway as you remembered.
You must realise that you come over as very arrogant and your opinion is the only one that counts.
You seem a one trick pony to me as you cannot talk about anything else.And to some that can be a bit boring.
A.Ajax can discuss anything, he is interesting and fun
and his knowledge covers many fields,he is a good friend and I have great respect for him.
You must realise that you come over as very arrogant and your opinion is the only one that counts.
You seem a one trick pony to me as you cannot talk about anything else.And to some that can be a bit boring.
A.Ajax can discuss anything, he is interesting and fun
and his knowledge covers many fields,he is a good friend and I have great respect for him.
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Crash!... Relationships end.
These things don't improve relationships. They damage them even more.
Acceptance is the secret of staying together, not fear.
NO? Fear of religious rule, disappointing and as well as dishonour your family. Children taken away from you and given to the father, who was a provider…or they became the property of the state.