Sin sacrifice? (254)
Last I remember, 1 by the ID revealer was talking on here from alaska, now its Q/land, unless it not the same revealer.
revealer24: Kizzy, I fully understand Christian theology since I have a theology degree. I loved it and believed it was perfect, but later on I came to realise it was built on wrong assumptions.
One day I decided to test the trinity - not disprove it, nor prove it, but test it like in a court situation. I used trinitarian commentaries and dictionaries. I never did this before. I repeat, I loved the doctrine and knew it well. The last thing I wanted was to disprove it.
The doctrine of the deity of the Holy Spirit collapsed in about ten minutes. The doctrine of the deity of Christ collapsed in about a week or two. Then I moved on to test other doctrines and found that I had to throw away all of them and start afresh.
You can understand, this was a very hard time for me... I was an elder in a small group, I resigned and didn't attend any meetings. About a month later they called me back and wanted to hear what I had discovered. So I told them, and soon they all adopted my views.
Did I indoctrinate them? No. It was them who wanted to hear what I had to say.
theology,doctrine,deity One day I decided to test the trinity - not disprove it, nor prove it, but test it like in a court situation. I used trinitarian commentaries and dictionaries. I never did this before. I repeat, I loved the doctrine and knew it well. The last thing I wanted was to disprove it.
The doctrine of the deity of the Holy Spirit collapsed in about ten minutes. The doctrine of the deity of Christ collapsed in about a week or two. Then I moved on to test other doctrines and found that I had to throw away all of them and start afresh.
You can understand, this was a very hard time for me... I was an elder in a small group, I resigned and didn't attend any meetings. About a month later they called me back and wanted to hear what I had discovered. So I told them, and soon they all adopted my views.
Did I indoctrinate them? No. It was them who wanted to hear what I had to say.
Man! Have i got 1 kick A*rse hangover 
Martia: Excuse me! I have just read your thread and from what I can see you have been pushing your views onto everyone and telling them how qualified you are ...
Yet when you are asked a perfectly simple question you say to the member who asked it... that I dont think its your business.....very odd indeed. I think you had better go back to net and do some more homework.
You sir have underestimated the members on this forum! they see you for what you are.
You talk the talk to a certain extent but when push comes to shove you cannot walk the walk or qualify any of your credentials.
In the past we sometimes get people trying to push their own agenda's onto us ...doesent work but they seem to think they will impress.No idea why !!!
I think you are the first Religious Zealot we have had on this forum.I also think you are a legend in your own mind....had a few of them on here in the past.JMO
there's that Zealot again Yet when you are asked a perfectly simple question you say to the member who asked it... that I dont think its your business.....very odd indeed. I think you had better go back to net and do some more homework.
You sir have underestimated the members on this forum! they see you for what you are.
You talk the talk to a certain extent but when push comes to shove you cannot walk the walk or qualify any of your credentials.
In the past we sometimes get people trying to push their own agenda's onto us ...doesent work but they seem to think they will impress.No idea why !!!
I think you are the first Religious Zealot we have had on this forum.I also think you are a legend in your own mind....had a few of them on here in the past.JMO
tonyxf: None of my business either, but u sound jewish to me.
LOL. No, I am not. But as I noted here or on the JW thread I start with ancient Judaism and interpret the NT in the light of it because Yeshua and the first disciples were practising Jews.
Martia: Excuse me! I have just read your thread and from what I can see you have been pushing your views onto everyone and telling them how qualified you are ...
Yet when you are asked a perfectly simple question you say to the member who asked it... that I dont think its your business.....very odd indeed. I think you had better go back to net and do some more homework.
You sir have underestimated the members on this forum! they see you for what you are.
You talk the talk to a certain extent but when push comes to shove you cannot walk the walk or qualify any of your credentials.
In the past we sometimes get people trying to push their own agenda's onto us ...doesent work but they seem to think they will impress.No idea why !!!
I think you are the first Religious Zealot we have had on this forum.I also think you are a legend in your own mind....had a few of them on here in the past.JMO
Yet when you are asked a perfectly simple question you say to the member who asked it... that I dont think its your business.....very odd indeed. I think you had better go back to net and do some more homework.
You sir have underestimated the members on this forum! they see you for what you are.
You talk the talk to a certain extent but when push comes to shove you cannot walk the walk or qualify any of your credentials.
In the past we sometimes get people trying to push their own agenda's onto us ...doesent work but they seem to think they will impress.No idea why !!!
I think you are the first Religious Zealot we have had on this forum.I also think you are a legend in your own mind....had a few of them on here in the past.JMO
Martia, why does it matter how qualified one is on these forums? This is not a scientific forum where you need to present your qualifications. And not a clergy discussion either so one needs to bring his theology degrees along.
I only mentioned that I have a theology degree because Kizzy stated "obviously I dont quite understand your views nor you mine" (spelling error corrected). Kizzy has "Christian/Other" in her profile. Of course, it can mean anything, and I do not know what stream she follows, but I am familiar with the various theological streams of Christianity even though I used to belong to the Baptist kind.
But why do you think anyone on these forums need to present their credentials? If I asked you to adopt my views it would have been appropriate for you to ask me on what ground. Sure, then I need to present you my credentials and show you the various institutions where I studied.
However, I did not ask anyone to adopt them. Simply to consider them. What you do with the info is none of my business.
But if you want to seriously study the issue, I can point you to various authors whose work are available on Amazon.
So here you go, I did not claim authority, why the accusation?
Oh, and you resort to name calling also. Unintelligent. Old dirty tactics. If you don't like the message, attack the messenger.
revealer24: LOL. No, I am not. But as I noted here or on the JW thread I start with ancient Judaism and interpret the NT in the light of it because Yeshua and the first disciples were practising Jews.
cant believe you said "LOL"..there is a laugh or maybe 2 in you.
tonyxf: Last I remember, 1 by the ID revealer was talking on here from alaska, now its Q/land, unless it not the same revealer.
Not the same. I have never been to Alaska, and don't feel like ever going there. Too cold.
One day I decided to test the trinity
In other words you lost your faith...
hows that working for ya???
revealer im not mainstream christian i don t attend any church but i do have faith ,real faith .Untill you find yours all the degrees in the world wont help you, you shall simply be a searcher wondering how and why and when instead of harnessing the univeral blessings that are available to us all.
In other words you lost your faith...
hows that working for ya???
revealer im not mainstream christian i don t attend any church but i do have faith ,real faith .Untill you find yours all the degrees in the world wont help you, you shall simply be a searcher wondering how and why and when instead of harnessing the univeral blessings that are available to us all.
revealer24: ??? I don't think it is your business.
I’m only trying to make sense of it all.
You stated in one of the threads you created on the international forums, that you studied Theology at the QLD (IT.)
“IT” as far as Im aware means “ Information Technology” not Theology. Can you or somebody please clarify this?
aussielegend41: cant believe you said "LOL"..there is a laugh or maybe 2 in you.
I'm with Mr A.L41. Ok! Group Hug 
is this is why theres so many non beleivers in god, when the people who do beleive cant even agree on who or where half there bible comes from. 
scanz: is this is why theres so many non beleivers in god, when the people who do beleive cant even agree on who or where half there bible comes from.
The printers, u ninny 
sorry, mornin Mr Scanz
revealer24: Martia, why does it matter how qualified one is on these forums? This is not a scientific forum where you need to present your qualifications. And not a clergy discussion either so one needs to bring his theology degrees along.
I only mentioned that I have a theology degree because Kizzy stated "obviously I dont quite understand your views nor you mine" (spelling error corrected). Kizzy has "Christian/Other" in her profile. Of course, it can mean anything, and I do not know what stream she follows, but I am familiar with the various theological streams of Christianity even though I used to belong to the Baptist kind.
But why do you think anyone on these forums need to present their credentials? If I asked you to adopt my views it would have been appropriate for you to ask me on what ground. Sure, then I need to present you my credentials and show you the various institutions where I studied.
However, I did not ask anyone to adopt them. Simply to consider them. What you do with the info is none of my business.
But if you want to seriously study the issue, I can point you to various authors whose work are available on Amazon.
So here you go, I did not claim authority, why the accusation?
Oh, and you resort to name calling also. Unintelligent. Old dirty tactics. If you don't like the message, attack the messenger.
I only mentioned that I have a theology degree because Kizzy stated "obviously I dont quite understand your views nor you mine" (spelling error corrected). Kizzy has "Christian/Other" in her profile. Of course, it can mean anything, and I do not know what stream she follows, but I am familiar with the various theological streams of Christianity even though I used to belong to the Baptist kind.
But why do you think anyone on these forums need to present their credentials? If I asked you to adopt my views it would have been appropriate for you to ask me on what ground. Sure, then I need to present you my credentials and show you the various institutions where I studied.
However, I did not ask anyone to adopt them. Simply to consider them. What you do with the info is none of my business.
But if you want to seriously study the issue, I can point you to various authors whose work are available on Amazon.
So here you go, I did not claim authority, why the accusation?
Oh, and you resort to name calling also. Unintelligent. Old dirty tactics. If you don't like the message, attack the messenger.
Where have I called you unintelligent!!!!! on this thread.I think I might have missed something here, old dirty tactics where!!!!
I dont need to resort to that.I do not boast at how clever I am I do not make statements I cannot prove!!! if I did I would be shot down in flames.Learnt that the hard way.
The members give no quarter on this forum and quite rightly too. Is it too much to ask you to back them up! so when we ask you to put your money where your mouth is its so we can be expected to reply to your errrrrrrrrrrrrrm Twaddle.
That is only my opinion as all these statments and so called facts you are making could be from others and you just want to impress.(fat chance on here)and it is a very resonable request surely.
If you cannot do that you are caught out on a LIE....JMO
Lookin4missright: The printers, u ninny sorry, mornin Mr Scanz
OK Mr looking, thats only half, whre does the other half come from?kizzy27: One day I decided to test the trinity
In other words you lost your faith...
In other words you lost your faith...
??? Are you suggesting that "faith" means blindly accepting some doctrines the church worked out hundreds of years after Christ?
That is blind "faith" indeed.
In response to: hows that working for ya???
It works perfectly because I don't need to parrot back what someone preaches from the pulpit. I am free to consider ideas and test them, and I am free to discard them. Are you?
In response to: revealer im not mainstream christian i don t attend any church but i do have faith ,real faith .
How do you define "real faith"? Is that definition derived from the TaNaKh or is it something you made up? And can you please explain, that not knowing my life, how you cam to the conclusion that my faith is not "real"?
In response to: Untill you find yours all the degrees in the world wont help you, you shall simply be a searcher wondering how and why and when instead of harnessing the univeral blessings that are available to us all.
I never implied that any number of degrees or any level of biblical knowledge helps anyone. Contrary to that, I stated that there is no partiality with God and everyone will be judged on their own merit - contrary to Christian doctrine that state that God will favour the Christians.
Martia: Where have I called you unintelligent!!!!! on this thread.I think I might have missed something here, old dirty tactics where!!!!
I dont need to resort to that.I do not boast at how clever I am I do not make statements I cannot prove!!! if I did I would be shot down in flames.Learnt that the hard way.
The members give no quarter on this forum and quite rightly too. Is it too much to ask you to back them up! so when we ask you to put your money where your mouth is its so we can be expected to reply to your errrrrrrrrrrrrrm Twaddle.
That is only my opinion as all these statments and so called facts you are making could be from others and you just want to impress.(fat chance on here)and it is a very resonable request surely.
If you cannot do that you are caught out on a LIE....JMO
I dont need to resort to that.I do not boast at how clever I am I do not make statements I cannot prove!!! if I did I would be shot down in flames.Learnt that the hard way.
The members give no quarter on this forum and quite rightly too. Is it too much to ask you to back them up! so when we ask you to put your money where your mouth is its so we can be expected to reply to your errrrrrrrrrrrrrm Twaddle.
That is only my opinion as all these statments and so called facts you are making could be from others and you just want to impress.(fat chance on here)and it is a very resonable request surely.
If you cannot do that you are caught out on a LIE....JMO
Where is Blues when you need him?
I think he is the only person on here who actually has a degree in theology and it shows on every level. I don’t think most on here would know what theology is to be honest.
AgentAjax: I’m only trying to make sense of it all.
You stated in one of the threads you created on the international forums, that you studied Theology at the QLD (IT.)
“IT” as far as Im aware means “ Information Technology” not Theology. Can you or somebody please clarify this?
You stated in one of the threads you created on the international forums, that you studied Theology at the QLD (IT.)
“IT” as far as Im aware means “ Information Technology” not Theology. Can you or somebody please clarify this?
I have four uni papers. One of them is in theology, the last one I did was in IT.
But for the sake of the debate I do not consider any of my degrees to lend authority to what I say. I simply do not want anybody to accept my ideas because they are mine and I have degrees. No!!! I am against all this authoritarian stuff. I absolutely have no intention to go down the path of sects.
What I prefer - and I continually stated this to my friends to whom I used to write regularly in the past - is to expose people to various ideas, which can be either right or wrong, but they serve the purpose of stimulating thinking, and then everybody work out their own answers.
You don't get this in Christian churches where people are conditioned to accept what is preached from the pulpit.
So, here you go, I am a nobody, no authority about anything. I simply have ideas. Think about them and do what you want with them. If you adopt them it will be your choice because you did the thinking, and not because I told you so.
revealer24: ??? Are you suggesting that "faith" means blindly accepting some doctrines the church worked out hundreds of years after Christ?
That is blind "faith" indeed.It works perfectly because I don't need to parrot back what someone preaches from the pulpit. I am free to consider ideas and test them, and I am free to discard them. Are you?
How do you define "real faith"? Is that definition derived from the TaNaKh or is it something you made up? And can you please explain, that not knowing my life, how you cam to the conclusion that my faith is not "real"?
I never implied that any number of degrees or any level of biblical knowledge helps anyone. Contrary to that, I stated that there is no partiality with God and everyone will be judged on their own merit - contrary to Christian doctrine that state that God will favour the Christians.
That is blind "faith" indeed.It works perfectly because I don't need to parrot back what someone preaches from the pulpit. I am free to consider ideas and test them, and I am free to discard them. Are you?
How do you define "real faith"? Is that definition derived from the TaNaKh or is it something you made up? And can you please explain, that not knowing my life, how you cam to the conclusion that my faith is not "real"?
I never implied that any number of degrees or any level of biblical knowledge helps anyone. Contrary to that, I stated that there is no partiality with God and everyone will be judged on their own merit - contrary to Christian doctrine that state that God will favour the Christians.
faith
–noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
scanz: is this is why theres so many non beleivers in god, when the people who do beleive cant even agree on who or where half there bible comes from.
Please read what I stated throughout the thread.
The events of the first century are far removed from our time. If we want to make sense of those ancient Jewish writings in the bible we need to "become" a first century Jew, that is, we need to understand their culture, their customs and try to read those passages not through the rosy glasses of our modern Western culture, but through their eyes.
That takes a lot of work.
Of course, you can still make some sense of those writings, but you will not get the real meaning.
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Excuse me! I have just read your thread and from what I can see you have been pushing your views onto everyone and telling them how qualified you are ...
Yet when you are asked a perfectly simple question you say to the member who asked it... that I dont think its your business.....very odd indeed. I think you had better go back to net and do some more homework.
You sir have underestimated the members on this forum! they see you for what you are.
You talk the talk to a certain extent but when push comes to shove you cannot walk the walk or qualify any of your credentials.
In the past we sometimes get people trying to push their own agenda's onto us ...doesent work but they seem to think they will impress.No idea why !!!
I think you are the first Religious Zealot we have had on this forum.I also think you are a legend in your own mind....had a few of them on here in the past.JMO