A Political Question (188)

Nov 3, 2011 6:36 AM CST A Political Question
AgentAjax: lets say thousands… mostly royalists living in Australia still fall short of 22 million and if people really did love the queen all that much you would be quoting few million.


i think your missing the point, people don't love the Queen because she is Queen of England, or head the Protestant Church, of Russian and German blood, no its because the crown offers us a chance to live under a constitution that sets out the playing field politicians must follow, it doesn't contain rights for citizens, or degrees or seek to rule over us, it offers (the constitution) an opportunity to express the will of the people, all people, muslim, christian, buddhist, jew, atheists jedi, mormans or whatever
Nov 3, 2011 6:37 AM CST A Political Question
tonyxf
tonyxftonyxfwerribee, Victoria Australia2 Threads 4,525 Posts
Faithe: Thier would be no point in slappin him Merri, he'd enjoy it
Have to catch me first.
Nov 3, 2011 6:40 AM CST A Political Question
Faithe
FaitheFaithePortland, Victoria Australia5 Threads 4,169 Posts
tonyxf: Have to catch me first.


Too easy, I'd catch you lips
Nov 3, 2011 6:41 AM CST A Political Question
tonyxf
tonyxftonyxfwerribee, Victoria Australia2 Threads 4,525 Posts
Faithe: Too easy, I'd catch you
But you wouldnt slap me.
Nov 3, 2011 6:41 AM CST A Political Question
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
robplum: i think your missing the point, people don't love the Queen because she is Queen of England, or head the Protestant Church, of Russian and German blood, no its because the crown offers us a chance to live under a constitution that sets out the playing field politicians must follow, it doesn't contain rights for citizens, or degrees or seek to rule over us, it offers (the constitution) an opportunity to express the will of the people, all people, muslim, christian, buddhist, jew, atheists jedi, mormans or whatever

I don’t think Im missing any point there are still more than few courtiers around under the Commonwealth which the queen has no intention of ever visiting. For most people its about Idolism, once in a life time opportunity for the poor to see a bit of history. on that note have a great night.
Nov 3, 2011 6:44 AM CST A Political Question
Faithe
FaitheFaithePortland, Victoria Australia5 Threads 4,169 Posts
tonyxf: But you wouldnt slap me.


You know me too welllaugh
Nov 3, 2011 6:44 AM CST A Political Question
yeah good night AA hope you make it along to the first meet of the CS MLP
Nov 3, 2011 6:45 AM CST A Political Question
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
Arkayos: Careful there Rob. I'm an immigrant (about to be a new Aussie.) And I arrived on a boat. (And I also have a hereditary British title, but that is entirely beside the point.)

I think any government needs some kind of mechanism to solve an unsolvable impass within the government. As I mentioned before, a circuit breaker of sorts. The queen provides that.

And I think William will fill that role well, but I'm not so sure about Charles - he takes after his father too much.


I think if William leapfrogged over Charles a referendum would certainly vote the King in... no contest! also the media would love it and the herd.... oop's Public always do as the media says anyway.professor
Nov 3, 2011 6:51 AM CST A Political Question
Arkayos
ArkayosArkayosbrisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 377 Posts
Faithe: You know me too well


lol... you two need to get a room...

banana banana banana
Nov 3, 2011 6:52 AM CST A Political Question
Arkayos
ArkayosArkayosbrisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 377 Posts
robplum: yeah good night AA hope you make it along to the first meet of the CS MLP


lol... we need to be sure there are enough muffins to go around...

banana banana banana
Nov 3, 2011 7:00 AM CST A Political Question
_PrOwLeR
_PrOwLeR_PrOwLeRGold Coast, Queensland Australia46 Threads 1,047 Posts
Arkayos: What political party would you join and why?

Keeping in mind joining a party is more than just voting for it. It means paying a monthly, or annual membership fee, and actually doing something (knocking on doors, making calls.) Rather than just yacking...

(I'm asking this, because as of Saturday I've earned the right to vote, and join a party. I plan to get onto this on monday. I have my choice narrowed down, but I would appreciate other opinions.)

and I'm all about parties...



I am 52years old ... I have not voted since I was 23 years old ...

so in short i would not join any political party ... they are all as corrupt as each other ...


as for the right to vote ... GooD for you if thats what you want and congratulations ...

However as Aussies we are "compelled" to vote, even if we dont want any of the self serving lying decietful swines .... As an Aussie I "resent" being forced to vote for any of the above CreTToNs .... so I dont ....

thats MY political statement right there ... drinking
Nov 3, 2011 7:11 AM CST A Political Question
horizonrizon
horizonrizonhorizonrizonAtlantis, Central Jutland Denmark19 Threads 2 Polls 171 Posts
political prostituion...meaning ...selling ourselves to the greater gain with personal interests involved ...not necesserily(wrong spelling,but close) for society as it was intended....or perhaps intended with "Forked tongue"...the masses control through deceit and white liars from politicians...enhanching only their personal gain ....If the equal wage for politicians was on par with eg street cleaners /nurses etc,etc we would have a more balanced society with true socially interested participents ...not money grabbers !!!!!
Nov 3, 2011 7:14 AM CST A Political Question
horizonrizon
horizonrizonhorizonrizonAtlantis, Central Jutland Denmark19 Threads 2 Polls 171 Posts
Its all a question of financial gain ...such is society !!!!
Nov 3, 2011 7:15 AM CST A Political Question
Arkayos
ArkayosArkayosbrisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 377 Posts
_PrOwLeR: I am 52years old ... I have not voted since I was 23 years old ...

so in short i would not join any political party ... they are all as corrupt as each other ...as for the right to vote ... GooD for you if thats what you want and congratulations ...

However as Aussies we are "compelled" to vote, even if we dont want any of the self serving lying decietful swines .... As an Aussie I "resent" being forced to vote for any of the above CreTToNs .... so I dont ....

thats MY political statement right there ...


Rush, A canadian band, wrote a song called "free will" which stated not making a choice, Is A Choice I completely agree with the ideas expressed in that song.

I think the Australian compultion to vote is a reaction to the apathy in the US where they are lucky to get 30% of the population to vote. And as a result you get presidents like George Bush Jr. elected not once, but twice... Would you really like to get a moron worse than Bush as the PM? Even if there is no one to vote for, there are a lot of people to vote against.

Another reason I want to get involved... I treasure the right to vote, I have waited five years of living in Oz to earn it, and I treasure it. But I respect your choice also.
Nov 3, 2011 7:56 AM CST A Political Question
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
Faithe: I usually dont comment on politics. But l like having the queen as head of state. I think a President would have to much power and who would elect them in us voters or the policial party that won the elecetion? They could stack the deck far too easily. I think it is a far fairer system to have the Govener General who has no policital connections.


Unfortunately, the GG has no real powers any more. After poor John Kerr exercised our Constitutional rights (as demanded by the Opposition Leader of the time, Malcolm Fraser), there have been many many changes where the Queen of Australia (Aunt Lizzie - one of her many many titles) is a mere figurehead and has no power over us Aussies. As such, the GG has lost a lot of powers. We have lost the right to appeal to one higher court, the House of Lords in England (or Britain).

Our laws are based on English Law although our Constitution and our Parliament is based on the USA system. Our PM, like many in Commonwealth countries, is the one person who give the final "sign of approval." But only if the majority of elected officials agree.
Nov 3, 2011 7:57 AM CST A Political Question
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
AgentAjax: she has devoted her life to the kingdom which could have been anywhere..Even germany cos that where she is from before she changed her name to Windsor.


Aunt Lizzie, like her father, was born a "Windsor"
Nov 3, 2011 8:04 AM CST A Political Question
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
robplum: i think your missing the point, people don't love the Queen because she is Queen of England, or head the Protestant Church, of Russian and German blood, no its because the crown offers us a chance to live under a constitution that sets out the playing field politicians must follow, it doesn't contain rights for citizens, or degrees or seek to rule over us, it offers (the constitution) an opportunity to express the will of the people, all people, muslim, christian, buddhist, jew, atheists jedi, mormans or whatever


Rob, you must be a carpenter and you hit the nail on the head.

It is not WHO she is but what she REPRESENTS. It is the freedom to do and say what we like. Within reason.

There is a law against me setting that bomb under my neighbour's house because the load music usually starts at 1am.
Nov 3, 2011 8:08 AM CST A Political Question
Arkayos
ArkayosArkayosbrisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 377 Posts
wash2u: Our laws are based on English Law although our Constitution and our Parliament is based on the USA system. Our PM, like many in Commonwealth countries, is the one person who give the final "sign of approval." But only if the majority of elected officials agree.


hi Wash, Not sure what you mean there.

The parliament here in Oz is based on the english system - the US system is very different and (IMHO) is hopeless with the elected president.

Maybe I am missing you meaning?
Nov 3, 2011 8:26 AM CST A Political Question
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
Martia: Merri sorry to disagree but Bert is not a very nice man ...in my opinion he is an arrogant SOB...who cares only about himself,
Pattie is the sweetest lady who is caught in the middle.
which ever side she took she would lose one ..do not judge Matt too harshly he is a lost soul through no fault of his own.

Think about it Merri' why is Matt like this,and why doesn't he ever want to speak to his parents again, you would have seen this many times he is badly damaged goods..... the sins of the father.
I cannot say anymore.


Or the sins of the mother? I only know them from the media so I cannot judge either of them.

Mostly, children are the product of both parents. I was the rebel in my family, went against their established way of life. Loved the surf, rock & roll, surfie music, etc. Encouraged by my teachers that Labor(ing) was the only real way for Aust's future.

Getting married and having a family changed a lot of things for me. I had resposibilities. My children and their future became the most important thing in my life. My daughter was top of her school until she finally rebelled after my separation and only scored a 55 percentile. She is very well respected in her field of law and is head-hunted often. Oddly enough, she is very much a "homebody."

My son who struggled all the way through school ended up with an 85 percentile score and his literacy level is very low. He has ended up with a good job, owns his own home and has a lovely fiancee.

Children do learn a lot of values through their parents but there are many that do rebel "against the system."

Sorry Martia, but Bert alone is not to blame for Matt's behaviour. Any parent would hate to see that happen.
Nov 3, 2011 8:32 AM CST A Political Question
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
Arkayos: hi Wash, Not sure what you mean there.

The parliament here in Oz is based on the english system - the US system is very different and (IMHO) is hopeless with the elected president.

Maybe I am missing you meaning?


We don't have a "House of Lords" to oversee what the 'mere elected' officials decide on. We have the Senators who represent the individual States to look at what the Lower House (Representatives) proposes. The USA has is the same. All elected officials rather than heriditary. We just don't have a seperately elected President who may be opposed to the elected majority.

You have to realise that Aust was a number of seperate Colonies who decided to share a common interest (aka Commonwealth)
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