kidatheart: Yep, it really is quite simple, you're grasping at straws.
The only thing your statement shows is that human's have a conscience, nothing more. Definitely not proof of the existence of any sort of a god.
Lol. Only ones grasping at straws are those who do not think then will be judged. Thinking the things they do in the dark will not come into the light and expose their guilt.
Oh yes there is a God and your conscience is undeniable evidence.
But not everyone will believe the evidence until God says...to hell you go because after many warnings you did not believe.
ObscuritanMelbourne, Victoria Australia1,284 posts
Many say they "looked within" or sincerely pleaded with God or Jesus to accept them and whadda ya know, he spoke to them or gave them some kind of sign and they felt insanely happy. Thereafter they "KNEW" that God exists and that they have been saved, etc, etc.
My theory is that the human brain has become such a hugely complex "computer" that it has taken to inventing these religious experiences to help it cope with its own mortality.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Obscuritan: Many say they "looked within" or sincerely pleaded with God or Jesus to accept them and whadda ya know, he spoke to them or gave them some kind of sign and they felt insanely happy. Thereafter they "KNEW" that God exists and that they have been saved, etc, etc.
My theory is that the human brain has become such a hugely complex "computer" that it has taken to inventing these religious experiences to help it cope with its own mortality.
As a Unitarian Universalist, but more importantly as a human, I search to understand my place in the universe. Sometimes this is through looking at the vastness of the night sky, but usually, or at least on those days that are cloudy, the search is through religion; namely, the entity of God. People from time immemorial have had some sort of religious practice, whether it was sacrificial or if they had multiple gods, there has always been a sense of something larger than ourselves. However, if our lives can be described in one sense as the summation of all our sensory inputs and thoughts through the brain, then does that make a religion just another output of our minds?
In more recent years, scientists have started to take on this question and study it through neurobiology and the brain structure. Doctors and scientists looked at people with epilepsy, specifically temporal lobe epilepsy, for they are known to have deep religious experiences during the seizures. Dr. Vilayanur Ramachandran, who headed the experiments at the University of California at San Diego found that those with temporal lobe epilepsy, in comparison to normal patients, were more responsive to religious words and images (2). "Spiritual experiences are the inevitable outcome of brain wiring," said Newberg. "We believe that the human brain has been genetically wired to encourage religious beliefs" (3). Dr. Newberg and the late Dr. Eugene d'Aquili worked on tracing the parts of the brain dealing with religion through nuns and monks during prayer. They studied the gray matter of the brain by using a single positron emission computed tomography (SPECT), which allowed them to detect the areas of the brain that received more blood during the religious experience, where more blood usually equates more activity. Their results indicated that there was "increased activity in the frontal lobes, the attention area, and decreased activity in the posterior superior parietal lobe" (3). The frontal lobe activity should not surprise most people simply because it is the area that is commonly associated with the higher mental activities and specifically with humans.
Anything quoted via Wikipedia is instantly dismissed. The redtop newspaper is more reliable as a source than that.
Let the fun begin...
Ohhhh si.. yes, once upon a time somebody said to me " I was in the garden and I opened my eyes and there was.. the Lord....".. so I always think.. You may be insane!!..hehehe but I envy you.. when I´m in the garden the only thing I see, is the lawn mower..lol..Oh my Lorrrdd....!!
OnlySon: Lol. Only ones grasping at straws are those who do not think then will be judged. Thinking the things they do in the dark will not come into the light and expose their guilt.
Oh yes there is a God and your conscience is undeniable evidence.
But not everyone will believe the evidence until God says...to hell you go because after many warnings you did not believe.
Can you prove that he doesn't exist? It's all about faith and not about what can or can't be seen. God's name is "I AM" and that surely should be enough said...
goodfella1001: Can you prove that he doesn't exist? It's all about faith and not about what can or can't be seen. God's name is "I AM" and that surely should be enough said...
so,you can't prove anything either,except that you recommend the short-circuiting of the Mind!
goodfella1001: Can you prove that he doesn't exist? It's all about faith and not about what can or can't be seen. God's name is "I AM" and that surely should be enough said...
goodfella1001: Can you prove that he doesn't exist? It's all about faith and not about what can or can't be seen. God's name is "I AM" and that surely should be enough said...
“Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.” ? Denis Diderot
Wandering in a vast forest at night, I have only a faint light to guide me. A stranger appears and says to me: "My friend, you should blow out your candle in order to find your way more clearly." This stranger is a theologian. -- Denis Diderot, Addition aux Pensees philosophiques, from John Daintith, et al, eds. The Macmillan Dictionary of Quotations (2000) p. 34, quoted from R, Rotando, in a personal letter to Cliff Walker (December 17, 2001)
ObscuritanMelbourne, Victoria Australia1,284 posts
tomcatwarne: As a Unitarian Universalist, but more importantly as a human, I search to understand my place in the universe. Sometimes this is through looking at the vastness of the night sky, but usually, or at least on those days that are cloudy, the search is through religion; namely, the entity of God. People from time immemorial have had some sort of religious practice, whether it was sacrificial or if they had multiple gods, there has always been a sense of something larger than ourselves. However, if our lives can be described in one sense as the summation of all our sensory inputs and thoughts through the brain, then does that make a religion just another output of our minds?
In more recent years, scientists have started to take on this question and study it through neurobiology and the brain structure. Doctors and scientists looked at people with epilepsy, specifically temporal lobe epilepsy, for they are known to have deep religious experiences during the seizures. Dr. Vilayanur Ramachandran, who headed the experiments at the University of California at San Diego found that those with temporal lobe epilepsy, in comparison to normal patients, were more responsive to religious words and images (2). "Spiritual experiences are the inevitable outcome of brain wiring," said Newberg. "We believe that the human brain has been genetically wired to encourage religious beliefs" (3). Dr. Newberg and the late Dr. Eugene d'Aquili worked on tracing the parts of the brain dealing with religion through nuns and monks during prayer. They studied the gray matter of the brain by using a single positron emission computed tomography (SPECT), which allowed them to detect the areas of the brain that received more blood during the religious experience, where more blood usually equates more activity. Their results indicated that there was "increased activity in the frontal lobes, the attention area, and decreased activity in the posterior superior parietal lobe" (3). The frontal lobe activity should not surprise most people simply because it is the area that is commonly associated with the higher mental activities and specifically with humans. From Google.
Thanks Tomcat. I'm not sure I want to know what a Unitarian universalist is and I too tired to Google it. Is that another religion? Sounds like you are broadly in agreement with me?
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The only thing your statement shows is that human's have a conscience, nothing more. Definitely not proof of the existence of any sort of a god.
Lol. Only ones grasping at straws are those who do not think then will be judged. Thinking the things they do in the dark will not come into the light and expose their guilt.
Oh yes there is a God and your conscience is undeniable evidence.
But not everyone will believe the evidence until God says...to hell you go because after many warnings you did not believe.