Ireland reunified (57)
Phoenix: in its passports at least, which include a map of whole island Extracts from the Irish constitution stating the birthright of anyone born north or south of the border to be part of the Irish nation are also prominent throughout the redesign.
He's off again! Trying to convince himself that he's Irish.
snowlynx: He's off again! Trying to convince himself that he's Irish.
Trying to explain to you snowy why am Irish. But you being more British than Finchley, I don't expect you to grasp that...
Throw into the mix you come from the GFA school of thought, everyone knows the GFA is for slow learners.
Phoenix: Trying to explain to you snowy why am Irish. But you being more British than Finchley, I don't expect you to grasp that...
Throw into the mix you come from the GFA school of thought, everyone knows the GFA is for slow learners.
Throw into the mix you come from the GFA school of thought, everyone knows the GFA is for slow learners.
Ah yes! the old 'if you disagree with me you're not really Irish' bullying argument beloved of republicans....the height of intellectual discourse.
Phoenix: in its passports at least, which include a map of whole island Extracts from the Irish constitution stating the birthright of anyone born north or south of the border to be part of the Irish nation are also prominent throughout the redesign.
you only found this out now?
Phoenix: in its passports at least, which include a map of whole island Extracts from the Irish constitution stating the birthright of anyone born north or south of the border to be part of the Irish nation are also prominent throughout the redesign.
Holding an Irish passport doesn't make you Irish really. 3 million people outside the State hold Irish passports and most were not born here so they are not really Irish.
Charlie Haughey was selling the passport to rich Arabs years ago and there was a large uptake. Holding it doesn't make them Irish either.
snowlynx: He's off again! Trying to convince himself that he's Irish.
He is Irish..he was born on the Island of Ireland therefore hes Irish fullstop..whether he was born in belfast or the arsehole of Kerry it doesn't matter..its still Ireland..Try telling people from south armagh there not Irish but British and see what kind of response you'll get..you might get a few hundred yards away with your limbs intact
sofarsogood74: Holding an Irish passport doesn't make you Irish really. 3 million people outside the State hold Irish passports and most were not born here so they are not really Irish.
Charlie Haughey was selling the passport to rich Arabs years ago and there was a large uptake. Holding it doesn't make them Irish either.
Charlie Haughey was selling the passport to rich Arabs years ago and there was a large uptake. Holding it doesn't make them Irish either.
agreed look at the amount of foreign nationals who settled in Ireland over the past few years and were handed Irish passports at a whim..do you want to be a citizen of Ireland? you go to a court..raise your right hand and repeat a piece of text for 30 seconds now you're an irish citizen????
sofarsogood74: Holding an Irish passport doesn't make you Irish really. 3 million people outside the State hold Irish passports and most were not born here so they are not really Irish.
Charlie Haughey was selling the passport to rich Arabs years ago and there was a large uptake. Holding it doesn't make them Irish either.
Charlie Haughey was selling the passport to rich Arabs years ago and there was a large uptake. Holding it doesn't make them Irish either.
My family tree makes me Irish.
snowlynx: People from South Armagh are violent? is that what you are trying to say?
no People are violent when rubbed up the wrong way..doesn't matter where they are from
but you know rightly the point I was making
Question for Phx. and anyone else who'd like to answer 
I'm Irish, very Irish! My opinion is in the question.
In these times, where tech. has made warfare a very different ball game altogether, where a missile could be aimed at Ireland and launched from hundreds if not thousands of miles away, does Ireland need GB or are we perfectly capable of taking care of ourselves, is GB's presence/army bases in N.I. simply their means of defending themselves against attack from their weak flank i.e. Ireland, or can we rely on the EU for defense in such a scenario?
I'm Irish, very Irish! My opinion is in the question.
In these times, where tech. has made warfare a very different ball game altogether, where a missile could be aimed at Ireland and launched from hundreds if not thousands of miles away, does Ireland need GB or are we perfectly capable of taking care of ourselves, is GB's presence/army bases in N.I. simply their means of defending themselves against attack from their weak flank i.e. Ireland, or can we rely on the EU for defense in such a scenario?
Although still a republican in essence, I have to admit the more that times go on the less I care about a united Ireland. Would I vote to change the constitution to allow for it? Of course, but we're never going to be asked to do so,so why get bogged down in hypotheticals. The war is over and those looking for a United Ireland lost it. As much as I would like there to be a United Ireland in theory, is there really any point in putting an extension onto a house whose foundations are dodgy?
You would be asking people to become part of a state that has been totally mismanaged for the last 90 years and to actually give up their NHS to do so? It's not going to happen buddy. The amount of people who actively support a UI in the North is probably as high as it will ever get. I would hazard a guess it is around 40%, I certainly would dispute Basil McCrea's ridiculous assertion that it would be as low as 25%. However, the longer time goes on, the less people who nominally call themselves republican will care. Peace process era 'republicans' are reasonably removed from the events that may have radicalised their parents or grandparents. They will gradually stop caring especially as they come to realise what a corrupt cesspit they are being asked to throw their lot in. In my dealings with young SF activists in the north in my time in the party I noticed there was a thinly veiled contempt for anything southern. They didn't really want a United Ireland , they wanted the freedom to feel Irish and recognition of same. I deeply believe, the more time passes, the more I start to believe that what people in the North really want is an independent Northern Ireland where they have the freedom to be culturally British or Irish. That is probably not economically viable in the short term so the status quo will continue for now. I still want a united Ireland but I stopped fooling myself that it would happen in the context of an independent Ireland a long time ago. When we (unfortunately) have a federal United States of Europe in maybe the next 50 years, Ireland may be treated as one unit. But until it happens a United Ireland just isn't happening as much as You or I might want it.
You would be asking people to become part of a state that has been totally mismanaged for the last 90 years and to actually give up their NHS to do so? It's not going to happen buddy. The amount of people who actively support a UI in the North is probably as high as it will ever get. I would hazard a guess it is around 40%, I certainly would dispute Basil McCrea's ridiculous assertion that it would be as low as 25%. However, the longer time goes on, the less people who nominally call themselves republican will care. Peace process era 'republicans' are reasonably removed from the events that may have radicalised their parents or grandparents. They will gradually stop caring especially as they come to realise what a corrupt cesspit they are being asked to throw their lot in. In my dealings with young SF activists in the north in my time in the party I noticed there was a thinly veiled contempt for anything southern. They didn't really want a United Ireland , they wanted the freedom to feel Irish and recognition of same. I deeply believe, the more time passes, the more I start to believe that what people in the North really want is an independent Northern Ireland where they have the freedom to be culturally British or Irish. That is probably not economically viable in the short term so the status quo will continue for now. I still want a united Ireland but I stopped fooling myself that it would happen in the context of an independent Ireland a long time ago. When we (unfortunately) have a federal United States of Europe in maybe the next 50 years, Ireland may be treated as one unit. But until it happens a United Ireland just isn't happening as much as You or I might want it.
Phoenix: Never said it did. I said it (the new passport) states anyone both in any part of the island of Ireland has the right to claim Irish citizenqhip by 'default'..
They have had the right a long time now. You only seeing it now?
People of Irish parents or even an Irish grand parent no matter where they where born have the same right. Doesn't really make em Irish though.
must look into getting my own passport never had one 
Phoenix: Instead of making sound bites explain what you mean..
"Ireland reunified"...? Why not call it "Passports design"
or... "Passports include map"
No need to come up with such a controversial title, unless you intended to provoke a negative reaction from the Clover Boys and Clover Girls here.
I love to see all our British friends (including our beloved West Brits) fighting among themselves. 
I was born in London and brought back to Ireland when i was 6 weeks old what does make me English or Irish?
john2: I was born in London and brought back to Ireland when i was 6 weeks old what does make me English or Irish?
That makes u an "Engrish",creature of mythology, believed to be extinct, head of a British, tail of an Irish, with tentacles and everything.
john2: I was born in London and brought back to Ireland when i was 6 weeks old what does make me English or Irish?
It makes you whatever you consider yourself to be!
WittyandWise: It's not a matter of me considering myself Irish, I am Irish.
I would never claim to allow anyone their nationality, I am not that arrogant. It is their nationality.
What gives you the right to dictate people's nationality Snowy, their birth right just like your own.
In your bid to get at pheonix you offend others greatly with some of your comments.
@pheonix, just to clarify, I am not from the same City as yourself.
Now I am out of this thread. Respect for others is greatly lacking here.
I would never claim to allow anyone their nationality, I am not that arrogant. It is their nationality.
What gives you the right to dictate people's nationality Snowy, their birth right just like your own.
In your bid to get at pheonix you offend others greatly with some of your comments.
@pheonix, just to clarify, I am not from the same City as yourself.
Now I am out of this thread. Respect for others is greatly lacking here.
Who exactly have I offended?
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Extracts from the Irish constitution stating the birthright of anyone born north or south of the border to be part of the Irish nation are also prominent throughout the redesign.