Family question Washington killing (163)
RayfromUSA: All in the name of homeland security of course.
Now you got it
terrorist and copy cats notwelcome.
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Torless: How on earth are they going to explain this one?
First, through the media, they'll paint her to be crazy.
Then they'll have some sort of investigation, claim she was schizophrenic, link her to a crazy sect, find insane emails, letters, textos, etc etc
If that doesn't kill the criticism they'll produce a telefilm about it distorting all the facts.
And if nothing else works they'll just engineer another event to take people's minds off of this one.
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Torless: Ray yes, they found Paxil years ago was causing suicide in adolescents a common side effect...guess its a med they like to keep people on for life..sad but true....Cincy yes they should have spiked the tires or shot them out.....kind of obvious.....maybe they werent good shots....
Hi Torless,Unforunately we have only the mass media's reporting to go by.Hopefully there will be a full investigation but I know we the public will never be privy of that info.
Shame it all had to happen.
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Maus19
It's a hell of a long time to be suffering with post natal depression without the proper treatment,which was the point I tried to make in an earlier thread. Seems it wasn't her only problem.
In response to: 18 months is far from uncommon.
It's a hell of a long time to be suffering with post natal depression without the proper treatment,which was the point I tried to make in an earlier thread. Seems it wasn't her only problem.
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kidatheart: Don't argue, I'm sure she's qualified to assess this woman's mental health, especially with support from such sources as Wiki.
Sure are a lot of experts in various fields on CS.
Sure are a lot of experts in various fields on CS.
Your sarcasm doesn't do you credit.
Her health issues are being publicised in most medias across the World.
I don't profess to be an expert ,I posted the report in connection with the OP's remarks.
I am a concerned person with an opinion about the lack of support for people with mental issues especially in the USA.
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Glitch101: Your sarcasm doesn't do you credit.
Her health issues are being publicised in most medias across the World.
I don't profess to be an expert ,I posted the report in connection with the OP's remarks.
I am a concerned person with an opinion about the lack of support for people with mental issues especially in the USA.
Her health issues are being publicised in most medias across the World.
I don't profess to be an expert ,I posted the report in connection with the OP's remarks.
I am a concerned person with an opinion about the lack of support for people with mental issues especially in the USA.
So we have reports regarding her mental health from various media and wiki versus her closest kin.
I wonder who to believe
Besides, If she had mental illness, was that a reason enough to kill her?
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Adalstef: So we have reports regarding her mental health from various media and wiki versus her closest kin.
I wonder who to believe
Besides, If she had mental illness, was that a reason enough to kill her?
I wonder who to believe
Besides, If she had mental illness, was that a reason enough to kill her?
Well for sure they won't be able to ask her how she was coping with her life.
It just might explain why she went on the rampage,but then again they can't question her about that either.
A pretty shoddy state of affairs yet again!
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Its very sad what happened I hope the kids are going to be ok.
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Scott1812: Its very sad what happened I hope the kids are going to be ok.
Scott if you're referring to the child in the back seat of the mother's car there was only one child.
It's all unfortunate.
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rebel2: Maybe so, but as proffesionals, they should be sel disciplined.
I agree with your comments
I'm not going to make a statement one way or another, just lay out some integral facts in the case, and then give my observation. First, there are witnesses AND video of the crime. Second, a car qualifies as a lethal weapon, and one being driven inappropriately and/or out of control is exponentially so. I agree with your comments
I am sympathetic to the woman's health condition. But is it honestly reasonable to expect the ideal to occur in the few minutes that the criminal activity is taking place? Can you send in MSW counselors, psychologists, perhaps an LPN or physician to have a consultation? (Really, people). Police must react to the incidences at hand; in situations like this there isn't time to try to second guess a case history. They MUST act upon what is actually taking place. Very, very sorry about the woman's background and mental state, but the public and safety of others and the environs of our nations' capital had to come first in this instance. A car barreling out of control through Washington D.C. and you question the need to use deadly force? REALLY.
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rohaan: I'm not going to make a statement one way or another, just lay out some integral facts in the case, and then give my observation. First, there are witnesses AND video of the crime. Second, a car qualifies as a lethal weapon, and one being driven inappropriately and/or out of control is exponentially so.
I am sympathetic to the woman's health condition. But is it honestly reasonable to expect the ideal to occur in the few minutes that the criminal activity is taking place? Can you send in MSW counselors, psychologists, perhaps an LPN or physician to have a consultation? (Really, people). Police must react to the incidences at hand; in situations like this there isn't time to try to second guess a case history. They MUST act upon what is actually taking place. Very, very sorry about the woman's background and mental state, but the public and safety of others and the environs of our nations' capital had to come first in this instance. A car barreling out of control through Washington D.C. and you question the need to use deadly force? REALLY.
I am sympathetic to the woman's health condition. But is it honestly reasonable to expect the ideal to occur in the few minutes that the criminal activity is taking place? Can you send in MSW counselors, psychologists, perhaps an LPN or physician to have a consultation? (Really, people). Police must react to the incidences at hand; in situations like this there isn't time to try to second guess a case history. They MUST act upon what is actually taking place. Very, very sorry about the woman's background and mental state, but the public and safety of others and the environs of our nations' capital had to come first in this instance. A car barreling out of control through Washington D.C. and you question the need to use deadly force? REALLY.
Hi Ro,You can bet that we the public will never be privy to any info.All we'll have to go by are the many stories from the mass media who will milk this to death like they always do.
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ok, here is a dumb question. What if the person in the car driving crazy with a kid was someone well known? would they still have just gunned her down? Who knows. Since this is a place where they have all kinds of scenarios already planned for, why not the tire spikes? I suppose we will see what happens.
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Ccincy: Hi Ro,You can bet that we the public will never be privy to any info.All we'll have to go by are the many stories from the mass media who will milk this to death like they always do.
I understand. I want to say this, for anyone who will listen: The public will never really be able to appreciate the details of jobs and services they don't personally perform. While working as a tech, I would often be accosted by a patient's family member, browbeating me as to why the medication was 5 or 10 minutes after the scheduled time. Explain as I might that there were 50 or so patients' meds due at that hour, they NEVER could wrap their heads around the concept that all 50 couldn't be given at the strike of say, eight. By the same token, I have worked alongside police officers who endure similar seeming inconsistencies. No one knows what the other guy is going through. I would just ask you, and others, to please try and understand. It's NOT easy, and there are millions of shoulda- woulda- couldas, and why nots to everything. Fair warning, too--unstable or not, if you are in a vehicle and are driving uncontrollably and obviously with intent to damage or worse, and their are police involved, you are more likely than not going to die. So, the answer is---don't do it.------ This thread is Archived ------
Dragos1: ok, here is a dumb question. What if the person in the car driving crazy with a kid was someone well known? would they still have just gunned her down? Who knows. Since this is a place where they have all kinds of scenarios already planned for, why not the tire spikes? I suppose we will see what happens.
Hi Dragos1,Weren't there reports that the woman drove her car though a barricade at the White House?
I just watched a video a minute ago where a cop ran through a barricade to get to the Capitol.
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rohaan: I understand. I want to say this, for anyone who will listen: The public will never really be able to appreciate the details of jobs and services they don't personally perform. While working as a tech, I would often be accosted by a patient's family member, browbeating me as to why the medication was 5 or 10 minutes after the scheduled time. Explain as I might that there were 50 or so patients' meds due at that hour, they NEVER could wrap their heads around the concept that all 50 couldn't be given at the strike of say, eight. By the same token, I have worked alongside police officers who endure similar seeming inconsistencies. No one knows what the other guy is going through. I would just ask you, and others, to please try and understand. It's NOT easy, and there are millions of shoulda- woulda- couldas, and why nots to everything. Fair warning, too--unstable or not, if you are in a vehicle and are driving uncontrollably and obviously with intent to damage or worse, and their are police involved, you are more likely than not going to die. So, the answer is---don't do it.
One of my older brothers was a police officer and later gave it up because of the stress.
I don't recall any mention from the media if my memory serves me correctly that the lady was a threat to the President.
I just finished watching a short video where a officer ran through a barricade and was injured.
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rohaan: I'm not going to make a statement one way or another, just lay out some integral facts in the case, and then give my observation. First, there are witnesses AND video of the crime. Second, a car qualifies as a lethal weapon, and one being driven inappropriately and/or out of control is exponentially so.
I am sympathetic to the woman's health condition. But is it honestly reasonable to expect the ideal to occur in the few minutes that the criminal activity is taking place? Can you send in MSW counselors, psychologists, perhaps an LPN or physician to have a consultation? (Really, people). Police must react to the incidences at hand; in situations like this there isn't time to try to second guess a case history. They MUST act upon what is actually taking place. Very, very sorry about the woman's background and mental state, but the public and safety of others and the environs of our nations' capital had to come first in this instance. A car barreling out of control through Washington D.C. and you question the need to use deadly force? REALLY.
I am sympathetic to the woman's health condition. But is it honestly reasonable to expect the ideal to occur in the few minutes that the criminal activity is taking place? Can you send in MSW counselors, psychologists, perhaps an LPN or physician to have a consultation? (Really, people). Police must react to the incidences at hand; in situations like this there isn't time to try to second guess a case history. They MUST act upon what is actually taking place. Very, very sorry about the woman's background and mental state, but the public and safety of others and the environs of our nations' capital had to come first in this instance. A car barreling out of control through Washington D.C. and you question the need to use deadly force? REALLY.
.” The guidelines, implemented after 1998, further state that “a moving vehicle is not considered deadly force. Members shall, as a rule, avoid tactics that could place them in a position where a vehicle could be used against them.”
Police in New York have had a similar policy since 1972, and the Police Executive Research Forum, which advises police agencies on standards, has long recommended bans on shooting at moving cars. It is generally considered dangerous and ineffective, and it could put police in jeopardy.
So you can all stop ranting about that
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State v. Cornette (January 25, 1990), Franklin Co. App. Nos. 89AP-717, 718, unreported (1990 Opinions 252, 256) -- An automobile can be a deadly weapon if used as such, but it must be proven that the defendant intended to use his vehicle as a deadly weapon and did not merely attempt to flee the scene. Also see State v. Orlett (1975), 44 Ohio Misc. 7, 10; State v. Brandon (February 7, 1985), Franklin Co. App. No. 84AP-829, unreported (1985 Opinions 327).
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Adalstef: .” The guidelines, implemented after 1998, further state that “a moving vehicle is not considered deadly force. Members shall, as a rule, avoid tactics that could place them in a position where a vehicle could be used against them.”
Police in New York have had a similar policy since 1972, and the Police Executive Research Forum, which advises police agencies on standards, has long recommended bans on shooting at moving cars. It is generally considered dangerous and ineffective, and it could put police in jeopardy.
So you can all stop ranting about that
you are not correct. Hey, I'm not ranting, just giving my observations like you and everyone else has a right to. It's commentary when you say it, but ranting when someone else has views? That's convenient.Police in New York have had a similar policy since 1972, and the Police Executive Research Forum, which advises police agencies on standards, has long recommended bans on shooting at moving cars. It is generally considered dangerous and ineffective, and it could put police in jeopardy.
So you can all stop ranting about that
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Ccincy: http://www.opd.ohio.gov/RC_Casebook/deadly_weapons.htm
State v. Cornette (January 25, 1990), Franklin Co. App. Nos. 89AP-717, 718, unreported (1990 Opinions 252, 256) -- An automobile can be a deadly weapon if used as such, but it must be proven that the defendant intended to use his vehicle as a deadly weapon and did not merely attempt to flee the scene. Also see State v. Orlett (1975), 44 Ohio Misc. 7, 10; State v. Brandon (February 7, 1985), Franklin Co. App. No. 84AP-829, unreported (1985 Opinions 327).
Many jurisdictions are allowed to interpret these incidences as the judge/protem sees appropriate. Thanx for your input. (You have a level head, my dear lady, and no, we don't always agree but it's always polite, and ALWAYS a pleasure. hugs...State v. Cornette (January 25, 1990), Franklin Co. App. Nos. 89AP-717, 718, unreported (1990 Opinions 252, 256) -- An automobile can be a deadly weapon if used as such, but it must be proven that the defendant intended to use his vehicle as a deadly weapon and did not merely attempt to flee the scene. Also see State v. Orlett (1975), 44 Ohio Misc. 7, 10; State v. Brandon (February 7, 1985), Franklin Co. App. No. 84AP-829, unreported (1985 Opinions 327).
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I agree rebel2 and the media masses didn't and still aren't helping any.
It's obvious we'll never find or be privy the real honest truth about what took place.Just so glad that the little girl is alive.It's obvious that that precious little child will have a lot of trauma to overcome.