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Oct 8, 2013 5:32 AM CST Family question Washington killing
CapNemo
CapNemoCapNemoLongview, Texas USA6 Threads 599 Posts
rebel2: As someone who has been in situations simaliar to this,including guarding the Royal family i feel i can justify my comments.
Unless you were there, no you can't.
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Oct 8, 2013 7:59 AM CST Family question Washington killing
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
CapNemo: Unless you were there, no you can't.
roll eyes
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Oct 8, 2013 8:04 AM CST Family question Washington killing
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
RayfromUSA: Perhaps, but the rules of engagement have been changing, as well as the training that officers receive. In the past lethal force was a last resort. Nowadays it's not. The standard now is, if you think there might be a danger, shoot to kill.

And even though there are strict procedures, police are seldom ever held accountable for killings even when they violate the procedures.
The only exceptions are when there is too much public outrage.
car,is a deadly weapon,in LA,i think its shoot 1st,then ask questions later,in gangland,also.
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Oct 8, 2013 9:30 AM CST Family question Washington killing
Dragos1
Dragos1Dragos1Metro, Oregon USA54 Threads 1 Polls 1,982 Posts
rohaan: DITTO. Get back to us when a deranged person fxs up you and your loved ones. You're a dummy.

What a rude comment. That know it all attitude..." I won't make a statement but here read the next two paragraphs" barf Always saying one thing and then looking for praise as you amuse yourself with your cheerful talk of others doom. NO wonder there is no picture on your profile. "They ain't no one there"
rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 8, 2013 1:02 PM CST Family question Washington killing
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
CapNemo: Unless you were there, no you can't.
thumbs up point ONE. tip hat
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Oct 8, 2013 1:03 PM CST Family question Washington killing
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
Dragos1: What a rude comment. That know it all attitude..." I won't make a statement but here read the next two paragraphs" Always saying one thing and then looking for praise as you amuse yourself with your cheerful talk of others doom. NO wonder there is no picture on your profile. "They ain't no one there"
You don't know what you're talking about. You are wrong. You're forgiven.
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Oct 8, 2013 5:09 PM CST Family question Washington killing
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
I began participating on this thread on frame # 52. Comments or replies from me can be found in frames # 55, 60, 61, 118, 120, 125, 127, 130, 131, 147, 148, and this one. NOWHERE in ANY of my conversation do I "amuse myself with cheerful talk of others doom". In fact, I said several times how sad I was for that woman, and anyone, for that matter, struggling with a mental or physical condition. I have a great desire and capacity for loving and caring for others. I do not find someone else's misfortune to be anything but regrettable, for them and anyone else it affects. I realize that not all of us agree on everything; that is actually very normal. But I will defend myself when someone is making false accusations and vilifying me when I am only responding to the posts or threads as I see and/or draw from my life's observations and experiences. I agree that not every police action is appropriate. I have never said otherwise. I still find this situation to have been handled in the way it was because of the sensitivity of the environment. They could not have known all about the woman, whether there was anyone else in the car, what her motives were. Be that as it may, I would ask anyone reading these posts to at least scroll back and see just what I have written, so there is no truth to the accusation that I was in some way "cheerful" about tragedy. That wasn't true, and it wasn't a fair punch.
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Oct 8, 2013 5:34 PM CST Family question Washington killing
Adalstef
AdalstefAdalstefReykjavik, Northwest Iceland94 Threads 896 Posts
rohaan: I began participating on this thread on frame # 52. Comments or replies from me can be found in frames # 55, 60, 61, 118, 120, 125, 127, 130, 131, 147, 148, and this one. NOWHERE in ANY of my conversation do I "amuse myself with cheerful talk of others doom". In fact, I said several times how sad I was for that woman, and anyone, for that matter, struggling with a mental or physical condition. I have a great desire and capacity for loving and caring for others. I do not find someone else's misfortune to be anything but regrettable, for them and anyone else it affects. I realize that not all of us agree on everything; that is actually very normal. But I will defend myself when someone is making false accusations and vilifying me when I am only responding to the posts or threads as I see and/or draw from my life's observations and experiences. I agree that not every police action is appropriate. I have never said otherwise. I still find this situation to have been handled in the way it was because of the sensitivity of the environment. They could not have known all about the woman, whether there was anyone else in the car, what her motives were. Be that as it may, I would ask anyone reading these posts to at least scroll back and see just what I have written, so there is no truth to the accusation that I was in some way "cheerful" about tragedy. That wasn't true, and it wasn't a fair punch.


Well, I didnt have to scroll far back:

rohaan: “Absolutely spot on. We have got to stop giving people the benefit of the doubt simply because they have problems, family, mental or physical health. It is not the green card to act dangerously. Why, if we do that, everyone will get a pass. Just what DO people think is going to happen to someone who tears through a highly protected space? When airmen shoot marauding planes, are they thinking about that enemy's family milieu? Honestly, would everyone out there just try to think a little? Police aren't anxious to arbitrarily gun down a car. There has to be a reason, and a good one, and in this case, there most certainly was. Honestly, I can't believe some don't "get" it.

Besides, she didnt "tear through the barrier" she hardy touched it.
There was no damage to the car nor the bollard.

And if you would bother to do some research, youll find that she was shot AFTER the baby was taken from the car.
See, they stopped her, she got out of the car, they take the baby and THEN they shoot her.
Thats an execution in my book
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Oct 9, 2013 2:59 AM CST Family question Washington killing
Dragos1
Dragos1Dragos1Metro, Oregon USA54 Threads 1 Polls 1,982 Posts
rohaan: You don't know what you're talking about. You are wrong. You're forgiven.


Forgiven from you is a sick joke. I do know what I am talking about. I am not wrong. And I don't need forgiveness.
thumbs down
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Oct 9, 2013 3:03 AM CST Family question Washington killing
Adalstef: Well, I didnt have to scroll far back:

rohaan: “Absolutely spot on. We have got to stop giving people the benefit of the doubt simply because they have problems, family, mental or physical health. It is not the green card to act dangerously. Why, if we do that, everyone will get a pass. Just what DO people think is going to happen to someone who tears through a highly protected space? When airmen shoot marauding planes, are they thinking about that enemy's family milieu? Honestly, would everyone out there just try to think a little? Police aren't anxious to arbitrarily gun down a car. There has to be a reason, and a good one, and in this case, there most certainly was. Honestly, I can't believe some don't "get" it.

Besides, she didnt "tear through the barrier" she hardy touched it.
There was no damage to the car nor the bollard.

And if you would bother to do some research, youll find that she was shot AFTER the baby was taken from the car.
See, they stopped her, she got out of the car, they take the baby and THEN they shoot her.
Thats an execution in my book

is watching Vids that are possibly doctored,or only show some of what happened on YouTube really doing research?confused
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Oct 9, 2013 3:14 AM CST Family question Washington killing
justjim63
justjim63justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia14 Threads 2,592 Posts
Conrad73: is watching Vids that are possibly doctored,or only show some of what happened on YouTube really doing research?


Good point Conrad. I think that people should wait until the proper facts are presented before casting judgement on this. Too many armchair experts and not enough concrete facts.scold
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Oct 9, 2013 3:19 AM CST Family question Washington killing
justjim63: Good point Conrad. I think that people should wait until the proper facts are presented before casting judgement on this. Too many armchair experts and not enough concrete facts.

CTs do love their YouTube though!laugh
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Oct 9, 2013 3:21 AM CST Family question Washington killing
Adalstef
AdalstefAdalstefReykjavik, Northwest Iceland94 Threads 896 Posts
Conrad73: is watching Vids that are possibly doctored,or only show some of what happened on YouTube really doing research?


Reading online media, watching videos, reading comments- is an example of how you can do your own research.
Reading only official statements on mainstream media is not
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Oct 9, 2013 3:23 AM CST Family question Washington killing
justjim63
justjim63justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia14 Threads 2,592 Posts
Conrad73: CTs do love their YouTube though!


Youtube is the church of the conspiracy theorist. No need for research and facts, if Youtube says it, It must be true.laugh thumbs up
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Oct 9, 2013 3:29 AM CST Family question Washington killing
Dragos1
Dragos1Dragos1Metro, Oregon USA54 Threads 1 Polls 1,982 Posts
Conrad73: CTs do love their YouTube though!


Like creating an audio loop of something that is sure to change the meaning of life. And then a closeup so foggy that it could be the underside of a bug on a lens. Then someone shouting at you that you will know!! You will Know!!...It makes for great entertainment till you can the next one~ LOL there is always going to be more.
doh
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Oct 9, 2013 3:50 AM CST Family question Washington killing
Dedovix
DedovixDedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia12 Threads 1 Polls 5,492 Posts
"NO INDEPENDENT THOUGHT", "CONSUME“, "CONFORM", "SUBMIT", "STAY ASLEEP", "BUY", "WATCH TV", "NO IMAGINATION", "DO NOT QUESTION AUTHORITY"
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Oct 9, 2013 3:59 AM CST Family question Washington killing
Adalstef
AdalstefAdalstefReykjavik, Northwest Iceland94 Threads 896 Posts
Dedovix: "NO INDEPENDENT THOUGHT", "CONSUME“, "CONFORM", "SUBMIT", "STAY ASLEEP", "BUY", "WATCH TV", "NO IMAGINATION", "DO NOT QUESTION AUTHORITY"


Dedo, you just re-wrote the Constitution of the United States of America
rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 9, 2013 4:08 AM CST Family question Washington killing
Dedovix
DedovixDedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia12 Threads 1 Polls 5,492 Posts
Adalstef: Dedo, you just re-wrote the Constitution of the United States of America

its more like the Constitution of the World...
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Oct 9, 2013 4:11 AM CST Family question Washington killing
Delatude
DelatudeDelatudeParis, Ile-de-France France649 Posts
Adalstef:
And if you would bother to do some research, youll find that she was shot AFTER the baby was taken from the car.
See, they stopped her, she got out of the car, they take the baby and THEN they shoot her.


I think it is best to wait until the inquiry is finished to get a better idea of what happened.
It is clear that the Officers overreacted to the threat, but the behavior of Ms. Miriam Carey raises some questions. The family has the right to get an explanation, but there is more than one side to this story. No need to weave a web of disinformation in the process.

Of course, this thread wouldn't be complete without a reliable source, WND. laugh
In another interview, a witness to the shooting said officers removed the 13-month-old child from the car then shot and killed the mother.

The witness said, “I saw them try to pull someone from the car and realized when they pulled someone from the car it was a child.”



And from the sublime to the insane, a natural progression:
"WhatDoesItMean.com writes, “A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) claims that the unarmed 34-year-old woman named Miriam Carey who was gunned down last Thursday (3 October) in Washington D.C. was, in fact, “deliberately targeted” by an elite hit-squad under orders to assassinate what Russian intelligence officials say was the mother of President Barack Obama’s “love child.”


"Police found no weapon or evidence of motive while searching the car of a Connecticut woman who was fatally shot by police after trying to ram her vehicle through a White House barrier, according to court documents unsealed Tuesday."


"The woman who was shot to death after a taut, high-speed car chase through the streets between the White House and Capitol Hill was still in her car, snagged on the curb of a grass-covered median, when the police fired at her, a Senate official said on Friday."


"Miller reports the police shooting will be examined in an administrative review of the agencies involved."
"Most police agencies have a policy against opening fire on a moving car; it's inherently dangerous and usually ineffective," said Miller. "But this is an issue of context, which is when you're guarding the Capitol or the White House and someone tries to deliberately ram the barricades and they seem to be trying to get close to the building this is not your normal traffic chase, traffic violation, stolen car. In context, those officers usually factor in is this a car bomb, is this a terrorist attack, is there a button under the dashboard, is there a weapon, and I think there was some high tension."
"Carey's young daughter, who was in the car during the entire chase, was rescued unharmed after the shooting."
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Oct 9, 2013 4:13 PM CST Family question Washington killing
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
Dragos1: Forgiven from you is a sick joke. I do know what I am talking about. I am not wrong. And I don't need forgiveness.
Are too! Do too! scold








giggle you'll get it down some day. blessings!
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