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Nov 13, 2013 9:25 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
SoonerGal: NO to get out from under the rule of Roman Catholic...and plus unfair taxation....
yup,traced family,back to german puritans,they stopped in england,most went on to virgina,do to discrimination,ones who stayed,in hull,england.they,made BASS beer,in hull.then,went west as baptist/church split,over farming ways,lol.burning candles,too late at night?lol.
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Nov 13, 2013 9:25 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
SoonerGal: lol...yes, but it's freedom of religion, not being forced on you like it was in England during that era


...and freedom of religion and belief it should remain IMO
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Nov 13, 2013 9:29 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
unlaoised: ...and freedom of religion and belief it should remain IMO



I agree it should...but the foundation of what this country was built on should remain unshaken...because once it starts altering or eliminating fundamentals, it will crumble IMO
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Nov 13, 2013 9:31 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
SoonerGal: I agree it should...but the foundation of what this country was built on should remain unshaken...because once it starts altering or eliminating fundamentals, it will crumble IMO


I hate to tell you, SG but the fundamentals are already crumbling. Perhaps Budhism...it's a much gentler alternative wink
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Nov 13, 2013 9:32 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
stringman: It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.
George Washington
a wise man,also.prez clinton,went for ladysman side of washington,its a scandal now,prez jefferson did inhale hemp,lol.
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Nov 13, 2013 9:33 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
reb56: a wise man,also.prez clinton,went for ladysman side of washington,its a scandal now,prez jefferson did inhale hemp,lol.


Maybe he was a Rastafarian...laugh
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Nov 13, 2013 9:34 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
unlaoised: I hate to tell you, SG but the fundamentals are already crumbling. Perhaps Budhism...it's a much gentler alternative



That's ok...I'll stick to my Christian beliefs wink
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Nov 13, 2013 9:35 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
reb56: a wise man,also.prez clinton,went for ladysman side of washington,its a scandal now,prez jefferson did inhale hemp,lol.


yep we forget that we are all human and can be easily tempted, most of all when you have all the power of leadership.
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Nov 13, 2013 9:37 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
lovemedofr
lovemedofrlovemedofrbeautiful place, Nouvelle-Aquitaine France2 Threads 1,224 Posts
Bonjour unlaoised teddybear

Yes, you are right, let's keep this beautiful Freedom of choosing to practice or not any form of religion or beliefs, unless it's again the Laws and the Democracies.
But, let's never forget our origines, where we come from. It's fundamental even, in these troubled times. bouquet
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Nov 13, 2013 9:37 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
nokundi
nokundinokundicountryside, Hessen Germany3 Threads 2 Polls 1,368 Posts
nokundi: there are hundreds of religions, each one thinks: we are the chosen few,my religion, my god is the best.
One cannot remember a time in human history when people were not destroying each other either in the name of religion or in the name of God or even in the name of peace or humanity.This is insanity.
And to avoid that more killings will happen it is absolutley necessary to keep religion out of state and at the most keep it as private.


i feel very much confirmed by your christian fundamentalistc statements. To say, my religion is the one and only and the others are wrong, is to be rascist and intolerant.I just can replace the word christianity with the word islam and then i dont see any difference. I ask my self why you cant see it. Is your conditioning, your hypnose so perfectly good? In my eyes you are only followers, you just follow ,what you have been told.A follower hasn't a judgement of his own. In fact, the no-thinker becomes the follower. Those who have their own intelligence stand on their own feet instead of blindly following others.Have you ever noticed that a jesus, a buddha a krishna or ghandi never followed anybody? These men have my respect not the followers.sheep
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Nov 13, 2013 9:37 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
SoonerGal: That's ok...I'll stick to my Christian beliefs


And I'm sure others will stick to theirs smile
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Nov 13, 2013 9:39 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
nokundi
nokundinokundicountryside, Hessen Germany3 Threads 2 Polls 1,368 Posts
stringman: It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.
George Washington


the history showes that washington is wrongthumbs down
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Nov 13, 2013 9:42 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
unlaoised: And I'm sure others will stick to theirs




lol...I don't have a problem with that...teddybear
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Nov 13, 2013 9:47 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
nokundi: the history showes that washington is wrong


but GOD is not wrong.
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Nov 13, 2013 10:01 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
SoonerGal: the difference between the US and other countries, is ours was founded on Christianity, that was on of the sole purposes of leaving England, even our constitution was bible based...

That's nonsense!
The US wasn't founded on Christianity!
Show me one Place in your Constitution that states so!




The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense founded on the Christian religion

by Jim Walker
Originated: 11 Apr. 1997
Additions: 26 Dec. 2004

Many Religious Right activists have attempted to rewrite history by asserting that the United States government derived from Christian foundations, that our Founding Fathers originally aimed for a Christian nation. This idea simply does not hold to the historical evidence.

Of course many Americans did practice Christianity, but so also did many believe in deistic philosophy. Indeed, most of our influential Founding Fathers, although they respected the rights of other religionists, held to deism and Freemasonry tenets rather than to Christianity.

The U.S. Constitution

The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the 1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:

Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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Nov 13, 2013 10:02 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
Thomas Jefferson made an interpretation of the 1st Amendment to his January 1st, 1802 letter to the Committee of the Danbury Baptist Association calling it a "wall of separation between church and State." Madison had also written that "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States." There existed little controversy about this interpretation from our Founding Fathers.

If religionists better understood the concept of separation of Church & State, they would realize that the wall of separation actually protects their religion. Our secular government allows the free expression of religion and non-religion. Today, religions flourish in America; we have more churches than Seven-Elevens.

Although many secular and atheist groups today support and fight for the wall of separation, this does not mean that they wish to lawfully eliminate religion from society. On the contrary, you will find no secular or atheist group attempting to ban Christianity, or any other religion from American society. Keeping religion separate allows atheists and religionists alike, to practice their belief systems, regardless how ridiculous they may seem, without government intervention.
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Nov 13, 2013 10:03 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
Many Christian's who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration of Independence as "proof" of a Christian America. The reason appears obvious: the Declaration mentions God. (You may notice that some Christians avoid the Constitution, with its absence of God.)

However, the Declaration of Independence does not represent any law of the United States. It came before the establishment of our lawful government (the Constitution). The Declaration aimed at announcing the separation of America from Great Britain and it listed the various grievances with them. The Declaration includes the words, "The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America." The grievances against Great Britain no longer hold today, and we have more than thirteen states.

Although the Declaration may have influential power, it may inspire the lofty thoughts of poets and believers, and judges may mention it in their summations, it holds no legal power today. It represents a historical document about rebellious intentions against Great Britain at a time before the formation of our government.

Of course the Declaration stands as a great political document. Its author aimed at a future government designed and upheld by people and not based on a superstitious god or religious monarchy. It observed that all men "are created equal" meaning that we all have the natural ability of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men." Please note that the Declaration says nothing about our rights secured by Christianity. It bears repeating: "Governments are instituted among men."

The pursuit of happiness does not mean a guarantee of happiness, only that we have the freedom to pursue it. Our Law of the Land incorporates this freedom of pursuit in the Constitution. We can believe or not believe as we wish. We may succeed or fail in our pursuit, but our Constitution (and not the Declaration) protects our unalienable rights in our attempt at happiness.

Moreover, the mentioning of God in the Declaration does not describe the personal God of Christianity. Thomas Jefferson who held deist beliefs, wrote the majority of the Declaration. The Declaration describes "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." This nature's view of God agrees with deist philosophy and might even appeal to those of pantheistical beliefs, but any attempt to use the Declaration as a support for Christianity will fail for this reason alone.
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Nov 13, 2013 10:05 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
Conrad73: Thomas Jefferson made an interpretation of the 1st Amendment to his January 1st, 1802 letter to the Committee of the Danbury Baptist Association calling it a "wall of separation between church and State." Madison had also written that "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States." There existed little controversy about this interpretation from our Founding Fathers.

If religionists better understood the concept of separation of Church & State, they would realize that the wall of separation actually protects their religion. Our secular government allows the free expression of religion and non-religion. Today, religions flourish in America; we have more churches than Seven-Elevens.

Although many secular and atheist groups today support and fight for the wall of separation, this does not mean that they wish to lawfully eliminate religion from society. On the contrary, you will find no secular or atheist group attempting to ban Christianity, or any other religion from American society. Keeping religion separate allows atheists and religionists alike, to practice their belief systems, regardless how ridiculous they may seem, without government intervention.


Thanks Conrad, very interesting indeed thumbs up hmmm
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Nov 13, 2013 10:05 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
Unlike most governments of the past, the American Founding Fathers set up a government divorced from any religion. Their establishment of a secular government did not require a reflection to themselves of its origin; they knew this as a ubiquitous unspoken given. However, as the United States delved into international affairs, few foreign nations knew about the intentions of the U.S. For this reason, an insight from at a little known but legal document written in the late 1700s explicitly reveals the secular nature of the U.S. goverenment to a foreign nation. Officially called the "Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary," most refer to it as simply the Treaty of Tripoli. In Article 11, it states:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
You can read the rest at my link in the first post!
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Nov 13, 2013 10:05 AM CST sarah-palin-booting-god-only-leads-to-ruin
nokundi
nokundinokundicountryside, Hessen Germany3 Threads 2 Polls 1,368 Posts
stringman: but GOD is not wrong.


do you know god? who is it, tell me please.
i dont expect an answer, coz i know that you dont know.I am always cautious if someone says "I KNOW " doesnt matter if hindu, jew moslem or christian...
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