Freedom of Speech? (158)
Adults????since when????
Ccincy: We're adults right? Shouldn't we be able to monitor our own behavior?
Just saying.
Just saying.
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hey soonergal looks like you got your self right in the thick of things hear
I think in most countrys you you can say whatever you want it just depends on how you say it,,,, every week some friends and I get to gether for coffee and chat we have sloved the problems of the world many times but the things we talk about behind closed doors we probably could not talk about in public
I think in most countrys you you can say whatever you want it just depends on how you say it,,,, every week some friends and I get to gether for coffee and chat we have sloved the problems of the world many times but the things we talk about behind closed doors we probably could not talk about in public
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bodleing2: Doesn't quite work like that. My son has a black friend who he often calls darky or blacky, his friend replies with white honky or words to that effect. It's banter between friends and as such is taken without any offence.
However, should my son use those words towards a random black person, that would indeed be deemed as offensive.
However, should my son use those words towards a random black person, that would indeed be deemed as offensive.
I know it don't and quite frankly even if I was allowed to use certain words and the world was ok with it, I still wouldn't....but once again it all rolls back to what's PC or not...
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JeanKimberley: so true Pedro -
and I dram of a society where a chicken can cross the road without its motives questioned.
and I dram of a society where a chicken can cross the road without its motives questioned.
correcting one's self is very important
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jac379: You misunderstand my point, JK. sorry, didn't mean to
The 11 men were charged with obstruction misdemeanours and have not been charged with drug possession, drug dealing, or drug trafficking. They are now off the bus and these charges according to the report have still not been made.
I don't understand your point about the search warrant in relation to the men being locked on the bus. In the UK a search warrant, as I understand it, needs to be obtained before a search. That's kind of like the whole idea.
In this case the officers would have required the search warrant even if all the men got off the bus at the time it was stopped and left the doors open. For a search warrant to be obtained there needs to be grounds. By refusing to leave the bus and locking themselves in, according to UK law as I understand it, the 11 men were forcing the police officers to abide by the laws which they're supposed to be upholding. Perhaps its different in the US? yes
My daughter has been stopped by the police and told to let them search her bag. She told the officer he was welcome once she'd seen the search warrant with the appropriate details. He had to go away without searching her bag. It's inappropriate to go rummaging through people's private possessions for no other reason that they're young, have purple hair, piercings and they're potentially easy to bully.
The 11 men were charged with obstruction misdemeanours and have not been charged with drug possession, drug dealing, or drug trafficking. They are now off the bus and these charges according to the report have still not been made.
I don't understand your point about the search warrant in relation to the men being locked on the bus. In the UK a search warrant, as I understand it, needs to be obtained before a search. That's kind of like the whole idea.
In this case the officers would have required the search warrant even if all the men got off the bus at the time it was stopped and left the doors open. For a search warrant to be obtained there needs to be grounds. By refusing to leave the bus and locking themselves in, according to UK law as I understand it, the 11 men were forcing the police officers to abide by the laws which they're supposed to be upholding. Perhaps its different in the US? yes
My daughter has been stopped by the police and told to let them search her bag. She told the officer he was welcome once she'd seen the search warrant with the appropriate details. He had to go away without searching her bag. It's inappropriate to go rummaging through people's private possessions for no other reason that they're young, have purple hair, piercings and they're potentially easy to bully.
did this happen in UK or America? the laws are different and also in regards to traffic stops. I understand that it lawful to stop - the headlight was broken - the bus driver exited under lawful command of the police - the passengers of the vehicle were ordered lawfully to exit the bus too. Their refusal was what caused their bus being towed and then their arrest for the misdemeanor refusing to follow the lawful order of a police -
There are many civil rights cases about when, where and how the police may stop a person or vehicle - the broken tail-light was the "reason" the police give in this case.
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popey: hey soonergal looks like you got your self right in the thick of things hear
I think in most countrys you you can say whatever you want it just depends on how you say it,,,, every week some friends and I get to gether for coffee and chat we have sloved the problems of the world many times but the things we talk about behind closed doors we probably could not talk about in public
I think in most countrys you you can say whatever you want it just depends on how you say it,,,, every week some friends and I get to gether for coffee and chat we have sloved the problems of the world many times but the things we talk about behind closed doors we probably could not talk about in public
seems to be what I do best
no jac follows me around and corrects me endlessly...don't know how I've survived as long as have without her guidance I know...but see I really don't say things behind closed doors that I wouldn't say in public...
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well I'm out of here...didn't mean to start a war but I will be back later and hopefully some of this has settled
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SoonerGal: ain't nobody got time for this I personally have to go shopping....once again my words get misconstrued
Sooner,You're darned if you do and darned if you do.
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jac379: You misunderstand my point, JK.
The 11 men were charged with obstruction misdemeanours and have not been charged with drug possession, drug dealing, or drug trafficking. They are now off the bus and these charges according to the report have still not been made.
I don't understand your point about the search warrant in relation to the men being locked on the bus. In the UK a search warrant, as I understand it, needs to be obtained before a search. That's kind of like the whole idea.
In this case the officers would have required the search warrant even if all the men got off the bus at the time it was stopped and left the doors open. For a search warrant to be obtained there needs to be grounds. By refusing to leave the bus and locking themselves in, according to UK law as I understand it, the 11 men were forcing the police officers to abide by the laws which they're supposed to be upholding. Perhaps its different in the US?
My daughter has been stopped by the police and told to let them search her bag. She told the officer he was welcome once she'd seen the search warrant with the appropriate details. He had to go away without searching her bag. It's inappropriate to go rummaging through people's private possessions for no other reason that they're young, have purple hair, piercings and they're potentially easy to bully.
The 11 men were charged with obstruction misdemeanours and have not been charged with drug possession, drug dealing, or drug trafficking. They are now off the bus and these charges according to the report have still not been made.
I don't understand your point about the search warrant in relation to the men being locked on the bus. In the UK a search warrant, as I understand it, needs to be obtained before a search. That's kind of like the whole idea.
In this case the officers would have required the search warrant even if all the men got off the bus at the time it was stopped and left the doors open. For a search warrant to be obtained there needs to be grounds. By refusing to leave the bus and locking themselves in, according to UK law as I understand it, the 11 men were forcing the police officers to abide by the laws which they're supposed to be upholding. Perhaps its different in the US?
My daughter has been stopped by the police and told to let them search her bag. She told the officer he was welcome once she'd seen the search warrant with the appropriate details. He had to go away without searching her bag. It's inappropriate to go rummaging through people's private possessions for no other reason that they're young, have purple hair, piercings and they're potentially easy to bully.
Not any more Jac...
Stop and search
When can the police stop and search you
The police can stop and search any person, vehicle, and anything in or on the vehicle for certain items. However, before they stop and search they must have reasonable grounds for suspecting that they will find:
When the police stop and search you, they must provide you with the following information before the search can begin:
proof of their warrant card
information on police powers to stop and search
information on your rights
the police officer's name and police station
the reason for the search
what they think they might find when they search you.
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So long sooner, watch out for the PC police
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chris27292729: Adults????since when????
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Ccincy: Sooner,You're darned if you do and darned if you don't.
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bodleing2: Not any more Jac...
Stop and search
When can the police stop and search you
The police can stop and search any person, vehicle, and anything in or on the vehicle for certain items. However, before they stop and search they must have reasonable grounds for suspecting that they will find:
When the police stop and search you, they must provide you with the following information before the search can begin:
proof of their warrant card
information on police powers to stop and search
information on your rights
the police officer's name and police station
the reason for the search
what they think they might find when they search you.
Stop and search
When can the police stop and search you
The police can stop and search any person, vehicle, and anything in or on the vehicle for certain items. However, before they stop and search they must have reasonable grounds for suspecting that they will find:
When the police stop and search you, they must provide you with the following information before the search can begin:
proof of their warrant card
information on police powers to stop and search
information on your rights
the police officer's name and police station
the reason for the search
what they think they might find when they search you.
It's obvious the border patrol don't have to show a warrant etc etc.
Made a wrong turn and somehow ended up on the exit which led in the Canadian border from the Ohio side.Didn't dare turn around with the border patrol sitting there in their vehicle watching our direction.
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popey: don't mind jac sooner she doze this to every one
I've learned to just cut people off at the pass by not usually replying back or leaving a thread.
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I,am too scared to say.
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serena123: This is deep and a little beyond me, but it sounds good
It's kind of like the rule do as I say not as I do is what Obstinance was conveying. The elitist make the rules of freedom of speech as long as they are free to impose rules as they see fit.
Kind of like BHO is doing to America and other nations. He is allowed to say and do what he wants along with his elect few but the people are not allowed to question his authority or his methods
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bodleing2: Not any more Jac...
Stop and search
When can the police stop and search you
The police can stop and search any person, vehicle, and anything in or on the vehicle for certain items. However, before they stop and search they must have reasonable grounds for suspecting that they will find:
When the police stop and search you, they must provide you with the following information before the search can begin:
proof of their warrant card
information on police powers to stop and search
information on your rights
the police officer's name and police station
the reason for the search
what they think they might find when they search you.
Quite right Bod...it comes under the P.A.C.E.act 1984. there are also numerous powers for an officer in uniform to stop and search under the Road Traffic Act. Warrants are only generally required to search for property ect sometime after the crime has occured.Stop and search
When can the police stop and search you
The police can stop and search any person, vehicle, and anything in or on the vehicle for certain items. However, before they stop and search they must have reasonable grounds for suspecting that they will find:
When the police stop and search you, they must provide you with the following information before the search can begin:
proof of their warrant card
information on police powers to stop and search
information on your rights
the police officer's name and police station
the reason for the search
what they think they might find when they search you.
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That's a class thing a bit like the self-labaled chav.