Freedom of Speech? (158)
SoonerGal: I really like your way of thinking
Thanks
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jac379: I think the point is you don't understand the rules, or etiquette in order to be able to live by them/it.
Racial profiling is the use of race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed an offence.
It's not racial profiling to use the words 'black', or African American as a descriptor. If I were to say, "I spoke to a black/African American woman today about cultural differences" that describes I spoke to a woman about her specific perspective about the subject. It's not racial profiling.
It's notable that the contexts in which you have described black people on this thread are to do with illegality of their actions - a robbery, faulty tail-lights and possession of 'dope' ('dope' in the UK refers to marijuana.) This to my mind is racial profiling, not that you used the word 'black' as a descriptor. It's the theme that you appear to associate African American race with breaking the law.
Can you not think of anything else to say about black people? Or is that all black people are to you? Criminals? Scary, uppity people who object to arrest?
I doubt this is the whole story, but the story from your perspective.
No doubt people were pretty peeved at getting caught with illegal substances as anyone would, but I suspect the main objection might have had something to do with the way the law enforcement was handled.
It may be that a bus full of white, country and western supporters might not have been pulled over for faulty tail lights. It might be that they would have been pulled over and given a warning only. It might be that they would have been stopped and charged for the tail lights...but would they have been searched for 'dope'? Were the black citizens given 'special treatment' by virtue of being black?
What was the language like which the arresting officers used? What actions were different based upon race, or racial profiling? Why do you assume that the objections were ridiculous, or nonsense instead of listening, or questioning without judgement to which bits were valid and which bits weren't?
Racial profiling is the use of race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed an offence.
It's not racial profiling to use the words 'black', or African American as a descriptor. If I were to say, "I spoke to a black/African American woman today about cultural differences" that describes I spoke to a woman about her specific perspective about the subject. It's not racial profiling.
It's notable that the contexts in which you have described black people on this thread are to do with illegality of their actions - a robbery, faulty tail-lights and possession of 'dope' ('dope' in the UK refers to marijuana.) This to my mind is racial profiling, not that you used the word 'black' as a descriptor. It's the theme that you appear to associate African American race with breaking the law.
Can you not think of anything else to say about black people? Or is that all black people are to you? Criminals? Scary, uppity people who object to arrest?
I doubt this is the whole story, but the story from your perspective.
No doubt people were pretty peeved at getting caught with illegal substances as anyone would, but I suspect the main objection might have had something to do with the way the law enforcement was handled.
It may be that a bus full of white, country and western supporters might not have been pulled over for faulty tail lights. It might be that they would have been pulled over and given a warning only. It might be that they would have been stopped and charged for the tail lights...but would they have been searched for 'dope'? Were the black citizens given 'special treatment' by virtue of being black?
What was the language like which the arresting officers used? What actions were different based upon race, or racial profiling? Why do you assume that the objections were ridiculous, or nonsense instead of listening, or questioning without judgement to which bits were valid and which bits weren't?
actually they did the same to Willie Nelson,when they subsequently found a couple pound of Grass in his Bus!
Wouldn't call Willie exactly a "Black "Rapper!
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SoonerGal: Ok here's an example of how ridiculous it is, about 2 mths ago a rapper had a concert in Oklahoma City, well, the next morning the rappers bus get's pulled over for no tail lights...that's when the cops found dope on board...now here is where it went viral...all the African Americans were immediately calling it race profiling, saying if it had been a country and western band, they would have never got pulled over in the first place...it raised a big stink, almost started a riot....this is the nonsense I'm talking about SMH
Was this something that the mass media reported or something you witnessed for yourself?
The mass media will twist things around to their own advantage.
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jac379: I think the point is you don't understand the rules, or etiquette in order to be able to live by them/it.
Racial profiling is the use of race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed an offence.
It's not racial profiling to use the words 'black', or African American as a descriptor. If I were to say, "I spoke to a black/African American woman today about cultural differences" that describes I spoke to a woman about her specific perspective about the subject. It's not racial profiling.
It's notable that the contexts in which you have described black people on this thread are to do with illegality of their actions - a robbery, faulty tail-lights and possession of 'dope' ('dope' in the UK refers to marijuana.) This to my mind is racial profiling, not that you used the word 'black' as a descriptor. It's the theme that you appear to associate African American race with breaking the law.
Can you not think of anything else to say about black people? Or is that all black people are to you? Criminals? Scary, uppity people who object to arrest?
I doubt this is the whole story, but the story from your perspective.
No doubt people were pretty peeved at getting caught with illegal substances as anyone would, but I suspect the main objection might have had something to do with the way the law enforcement was handled.
It may be that a bus full of white, country and western supporters might not have been pulled over for faulty tail lights. It might be that they would have been pulled over and given a warning only. It might be that they would have been stopped and charged for the tail lights...but would they have been searched for 'dope'? Were the black citizens given 'special treatment' by virtue of being black?
What was the language like which the arresting officers used? What actions were different based upon race, or racial profiling? Why do you assume that the objections were ridiculous, or nonsense instead of listening, or questioning without judgement to which bits were valid and which bits weren't?
Racial profiling is the use of race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed an offence.
It's not racial profiling to use the words 'black', or African American as a descriptor. If I were to say, "I spoke to a black/African American woman today about cultural differences" that describes I spoke to a woman about her specific perspective about the subject. It's not racial profiling.
It's notable that the contexts in which you have described black people on this thread are to do with illegality of their actions - a robbery, faulty tail-lights and possession of 'dope' ('dope' in the UK refers to marijuana.) This to my mind is racial profiling, not that you used the word 'black' as a descriptor. It's the theme that you appear to associate African American race with breaking the law.
Can you not think of anything else to say about black people? Or is that all black people are to you? Criminals? Scary, uppity people who object to arrest?
I doubt this is the whole story, but the story from your perspective.
No doubt people were pretty peeved at getting caught with illegal substances as anyone would, but I suspect the main objection might have had something to do with the way the law enforcement was handled.
It may be that a bus full of white, country and western supporters might not have been pulled over for faulty tail lights. It might be that they would have been pulled over and given a warning only. It might be that they would have been stopped and charged for the tail lights...but would they have been searched for 'dope'? Were the black citizens given 'special treatment' by virtue of being black?
What was the language like which the arresting officers used? What actions were different based upon race, or racial profiling? Why do you assume that the objections were ridiculous, or nonsense instead of listening, or questioning without judgement to which bits were valid and which bits weren't?
You know I love you lol....but I grew up around AA...one of my best friends was AA...see how you turn things around on what I say? I was giving an example of how things are on a daily basis here. The news article doesn't have the threads that was on their FB page, but later if I have time I'll pull that up and post a link. But here's the news article on it...
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Ccincy: Was this something that the mass media reported or something you witnessed for yourself?The mass media will twist things around to their own advantage.
I posted a link, but yes I actually heard it on FoxNews also...but later when I have time I'll post the thread on the news station FB page and hopefully you all can read those as well and see what I'm talking about...
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serena123: heard that in this thread too, that's not freedom though is it? Still gotta think before you speak
sure it is - you are free to do it -
However, your thinking leads to a complaint that does not quiet standup if you change the scenario
For example if a person thinks that they are free to lie on their tax return or that they are free enough not to pay taxes - well if they get caught - there are fines and penalties to pay. That is freedom.
So yes you are free enough to speak your mind - freedom always comes at a price, doesn't it?
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SoonerGal: You know I love you lol....but I grew up around AA...one of my best friends was AA...see how you turn things around on what I say? I was giving an example of how things are on a daily basis here. The news article doesn't have the threads that was on their FB page, but later if I have time I'll pull that up and post a link. But here's the news article on it...
This link answered my question to you further up this thread.So I can assume you saw/heard it from the mass media then?
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Ccincy: This link answered my question to you further up this thread.So I can assume you saw/heard it from the mass media then?
no actually local news and FB
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SoonerGal: I posted a link, but yes I actually heard it on FoxNews also...but later when I have time I'll post the thread on the news station FB page and hopefully you all can read those as well and see what I'm talking about...
I just saw the link and thanked you for posting it.
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SoonerGal: well first of all they didn't come from Africa, their forefather's did...that would be like me getting all bent out of shape for being called "white" when I wanted to called Irish American...even though it wasn't me that came from Ireland...I for the life of me don't see how it's being discriminating to call the color of a persons skin that color...I have no problem being called white
If you chose to be referred to as Irish American that would be your choice. If you choose to be referred to as white, that's also your choice.
It's no different from someone choosing to be referred to as African American, black, or n*gger depending upon the situation.
It's not for you to decide how people wish to be addressed by you. It's not for others to decide how you wish to be addressed by them.
If any one of us gets it wrong we may be corrected and accept that with good grace, surely?
If the societal convention is that you refer to people as African American, what's the big deal? If someone says to you, I really don't like the word, please refer to me as 'black', what's wrong with that? Why not ask why someone feels like that, rather than getting all defensive about it?
It's often social convention to refer to women as 'ladies'. Personally, I can't stand the word and it grates on me when people refer to me as 'lady'. I realise people aren't being intentionally impolite, quite the opposite, so I don't get my knickers in a twist. If the situation is important enough to me, or an appropriate moment arises, I just say how I feel and appreciate it if people take that on board. No biggie.
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serena123: heard that in this thread too, that's not freedom though is it? Still gotta think before you speak
And that´s not a bad way to live..........might avoid a lotta conflict if people did. Unfortunately, you get such a lot of self-important people who think they run the show, it´s quite nice to pull them down a peg or two, but then you move on to another question......when to stop! So it´s maybe best if you do "think" before you speak. Not a bad maxim to live by.
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jac379: If you chose to be referred to as Irish American that would be your choice. If you choose to be referred to as white, that's also your choice.
Back to the census example... and in that example... no you don't get to choose unless you contravene laws.
Can I choose to be called Black? Yeah.. I can choose it.... but nobody is going to follow.
So you're own personal choice only goes so far.
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jac379: If you chose to be referred to as Irish American that would be your choice. If you choose to be referred to as white, that's also your choice.
It's no different from someone choosing to be referred to as African American, black, or n*gger depending upon the situation.
It's not for you to decide how people wish to be addressed by you. It's not for others to decide how you wish to be addressed by them.
If any one of us gets it wrong we may be corrected and accept that with good grace, surely?
If the societal convention is that you refer to people as African American, what's the big deal? If someone says to you, I really don't like the word, please refer to me as 'black', what's wrong with that? Why not ask why someone feels like that, rather than getting all defensive about it?
It's often social convention to refer to women as 'ladies'. Personally, I can't stand the word and it grates on me when people refer to me as 'lady'. I realise people aren't being intentionally impolite, quite the opposite, so I don't get my knickers in a twist. If the situation is important enough to me, or an appropriate moment arises, I just say how I feel and appreciate it if people take that on board. No biggie.
It's no different from someone choosing to be referred to as African American, black, or n*gger depending upon the situation.
It's not for you to decide how people wish to be addressed by you. It's not for others to decide how you wish to be addressed by them.
If any one of us gets it wrong we may be corrected and accept that with good grace, surely?
If the societal convention is that you refer to people as African American, what's the big deal? If someone says to you, I really don't like the word, please refer to me as 'black', what's wrong with that? Why not ask why someone feels like that, rather than getting all defensive about it?
It's often social convention to refer to women as 'ladies'. Personally, I can't stand the word and it grates on me when people refer to me as 'lady'. I realise people aren't being intentionally impolite, quite the opposite, so I don't get my knickers in a twist. If the situation is important enough to me, or an appropriate moment arises, I just say how I feel and appreciate it if people take that on board. No biggie.
Funnily enough I was corrected last night by a gentleman, when I referred to the ladies as "women". That reference obviously grated on him, and, as he didn´t do it in an obnoxious way, I referred to the women as ladies for the remainder of the evening.
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jac379: If you chose to be referred to as Irish American that would be your choice. If you choose to be referred to as white, that's also your choice.
It's no different from someone choosing to be referred to as African American, black, or n*gger depending upon the situation.
It's not for you to decide how people wish to be addressed by you. It's not for others to decide how you wish to be addressed by them.
If any one of us gets it wrong we may be corrected and accept that with good grace, surely?
If the societal convention is that you refer to people as African American, what's the big deal? If someone says to you, I really don't like the word, please refer to me as 'black', what's wrong with that? Why not ask why someone feels like that, rather than getting all defensive about it?
It's often social convention to refer to women as 'ladies'. Personally, I can't stand the word and it grates on me when people refer to me as 'lady'. I realise people aren't being intentionally impolite, quite the opposite, so I don't get my knickers in a twist. If the situation is important enough to me, or an appropriate moment arises, I just say how I feel and appreciate it if people take that on board. No biggie.
It's no different from someone choosing to be referred to as African American, black, or n*gger depending upon the situation.
It's not for you to decide how people wish to be addressed by you. It's not for others to decide how you wish to be addressed by them.
If any one of us gets it wrong we may be corrected and accept that with good grace, surely?
If the societal convention is that you refer to people as African American, what's the big deal? If someone says to you, I really don't like the word, please refer to me as 'black', what's wrong with that? Why not ask why someone feels like that, rather than getting all defensive about it?
It's often social convention to refer to women as 'ladies'. Personally, I can't stand the word and it grates on me when people refer to me as 'lady'. I realise people aren't being intentionally impolite, quite the opposite, so I don't get my knickers in a twist. If the situation is important enough to me, or an appropriate moment arises, I just say how I feel and appreciate it if people take that on board. No biggie.
it's not so much that I have a problem calling anyone what it is they wish to be called, what I have a problem with is when "only" they, whomever they represent can say certain words, but nobody else can...I believe in equality e.g AA can say the "N" word but nobody else can, now to me that's discriminating, seems NO ONE should be able to use it
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SoonerGal: it's not so much that I have a problem calling anyone what it is they wish to be called, what I have a problem with is when "only" they, whomever they represent can say certain words, but nobody else can...I believe in equality e.g AA can say the "N" word but nobody else can, now to me that's discriminating, seems NO ONE should be able to use it
Ah but SG, that's a bit like I can say what I like about my family but woe betide anyone else who does it
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Ccincy: I just saw the link and thanked you for posting it.
it was very informative - although was it racial profiling or a general belief that rappers by their very nature involve themselves in criminal activities of drug misuse and violence.
It is ironic that the very way these musicians, who which to make money in this particular music style, which has an underlying theme of edginess get caught up in the impression that if they are rappers then all rappers are dope smoking, criminals... because usually what rappers sing about, the content of their songs...
Funny, they play and they pay.
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I am frightened to say anything now 
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unlaoised: Ah but SG, that's a bit like I can say what I like about my family but woe betide anyone else who does it
well I agree with that, but I'm talking mainly television, music, just the general voicing that in public
shoot I don't know, haven't had all my coffee yet 
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SoonerGal: it's not so much that I have a problem calling anyone what it is they wish to be called, what I have a problem with is when "only" they, whomever they represent can say certain words, but nobody else can...I believe in equality e.g AA can say the "N" word but nobody else can, now to me that's discriminating, seems NO ONE should be able to use it
I was having a conversation one time with a black man regarding people who only see/saw him as being only a black man.He asked me what I saw when I looked at him what did I see?I told him that I saw a man.He had a surprised look on his face when he heard me say that.I guess he was used to just having people refer to him being black.
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