Freedom of Speech? ( Archived) (158)

Dec 1, 2013 7:12 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
serena123
serena123serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa44 Threads 2 Polls 2,821 Posts
No such thing... most Countries brag that their Citizens have the freedom to say what they like... Total B.S, you can say anything, only if its "politically correct" or doesn't p.ss anyone off! Much like C.S.say something wrong here, and you either kicked off the site, banned or blocked.. So what does "Freedom of speech" actually mean? confused
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Dec 1, 2013 7:21 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
serena123: No such thing... most Countries brag that their Citizens have the freedom to say what they like... Total B.S, you can say anything, only if its "politically correct" or doesn't p.ss anyone off! Much like C.S.say something wrong here, and you either kicked off the site, banned or blocked.. So what does "Freedom of speech" actually mean?




wave you just spoke the wisest words I've seen on here yet! Your absolutely right...but then there are those who thinks their words are the gospel...and you best not disagree roll eyes
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Dec 1, 2013 7:24 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
CmdrMercutio
CmdrMercutioCmdrMercutioRickmansworth, UK, Hertfordshire, England UK2 Threads 139 Posts
So go on then, original poster, what do you want to discuss that you feel restrained about by lack of freedom of speech?

Too many 'kaffirs' in your neighbourhood?
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Dec 1, 2013 7:28 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
serena123
serena123serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa44 Threads 2 Polls 2,821 Posts
SoonerGal: you just spoke the wisest words I've seen on here yet! Your absolutely right...but then there are those who thinks their words are the gospel...and you best not disagree
hug thank you
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Dec 1, 2013 7:31 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
serena123: No such thing... most Countries brag that their Citizens have the freedom to say what they like... Total B.S, you can say anything, only if its "politically correct" or doesn't p.ss anyone off! Much like C.S.say something wrong here, and you either kicked off the site, banned or blocked.. So what does "Freedom of speech" actually mean?


The art of political correctness is in proliferating as many rules and laws as possible and then applying them selectively against your opponents.

And freedom of speech has been damaged by this, both in the obvious sense of explicitly denying freedom of speech but also in a deeper cultural sense by making freedom of speech not a product of free thinking, but a contradiction of political correctness: They're not free, they are anti-pc(BIG difference). And this is why many strong proponents of freedom of speech today are themselves a very good argument against freedom of speech.
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Dec 1, 2013 7:34 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
serena123
serena123serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa44 Threads 2 Polls 2,821 Posts
CmdrMercutio: So go on then, original poster, what do you want to discuss that you feel restrained about by lack of freedom of speech?

Too many 'kaffirs' in your neighbourhood?
But then again< this is a freedom of speech thread,if you have a twisted view of S.A.. you are entitled to it comfort
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Dec 1, 2013 7:34 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
CmdrMercutio
CmdrMercutioCmdrMercutioRickmansworth, UK, Hertfordshire, England UK2 Threads 139 Posts
Obstinance_Works: The art of political correctness is in proliferating as many rules and laws as possible and then applying them selectively against your opponents.

And freedom of speech has been damaged by this, both in the obvious sense of explicitly denying freedom of speech but also in a deeper cultural sense by making freedom of speech not a product of free thinking, but a contradiction of political correctness: They're not free, they are anti-pc(BIG difference). And this is why many strong proponents of freedom of speech today are themselves a very good argument against freedom of speech.


Total nonsense as usual from this source

Nations enact laws restricting hate speech because the alternative is to watch those who would set the world on fire - do so. Which is why we dont have Mullah Hook at the Finsbury Park Mosque ranting any more, and also why we dont have Oswald Mosley and his thugs playing the same game along Cable Street against different targets
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Dec 1, 2013 7:38 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
CmdrMercutio: So go on then, original poster, what do you want to discuss that you feel restrained about by lack of freedom of speech?

Too many 'kaffirs' in your neighbourhood?


wow Was the last sentence really necessary? *smh*
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Dec 1, 2013 7:41 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
serena123: No such thing... most Countries brag that their Citizens have the freedom to say what they like... Total B.S, you can say anything, only if its "politically correct" or doesn't p.ss anyone off! Much like C.S.say something wrong here, and you either kicked off the site, banned or blocked.. So what does "Freedom of speech" actually mean?

Freedom of Speech really means you can say anything you want as long as you don't upset the system. or, to borrow a phrase that's often used 'Incite Hatred'. As for the internet, your Freedom of Speech is at the pleasure of the hosting server.
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Dec 1, 2013 7:43 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
serena123
serena123serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa44 Threads 2 Polls 2,821 Posts
Obstinance_Works: The art of political correctness is in proliferating as many rules and laws as possible and then applying them selectively against your opponents.

And freedom of speech has been damaged by this, both in the obvious sense of explicitly denying freedom of speech but also in a deeper cultural sense by making freedom of speech not a product of free thinking, but a contradiction of political correctness: They're not free, they are anti-pc(BIG difference). And this is why many strong proponents of freedom of speech today are themselves a very good argument against freedom of speech.
This is deep and a little beyond me, but it sounds goodgrin
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Dec 1, 2013 8:01 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
SoonerGal: You do know how to bite, don't you? I can relate 100% to what she's saying and it isn't because I'm a sheep, it's because I live probably in the most PC nation in the world. Here it doesn't matter what you mean or how you say it, there is no saying it the "proper" way...I dare you to come here and say your e.g.....you'll no doubt be the headline on FoxNews and CNN...trust me the black community would try and have you hung for that.


Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. The freedom of speech is not absolute; the Supreme Court of the United States has recognized several categories of speech that are excluded from the freedom, and it has recognized that governments may enact reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on speech.


In other words there ain't no freedom of speech unless they say so
dunno
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Dec 1, 2013 8:03 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
tomcatwarne: In other words there ain't no freedom of speech unless they say so

Exactly!! thumbs up
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Dec 1, 2013 8:05 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
tomcatwarne: Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. The freedom of speech is not absolute; the Supreme Court of the United States has recognized several categories of speech that are excluded from the freedom, and it has recognized that governments may enact reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on speech.In other words there ain't no freedom of speech unless they say so


thumbs up applies to a lot of other countries as well
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Dec 1, 2013 8:07 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
tomcatwarne: Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. The freedom of speech is not absolute; the Supreme Court of the United States has recognized several categories of speech that are excluded from the freedom, and it has recognized that governments may enact reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on speech.In other words there ain't no freedom of speech unless they say so




I believe that...Hoolet has no idea what it's like over here...if a black man robs a store, you best not be saying "black", it's African American... I could go on and on, but big brother is probably watching detective giggle
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Dec 1, 2013 8:09 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
unlaoised: applies to a lot of other countries as well


Yes, I just used the US as an example the same really applies to most countries.
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Dec 1, 2013 8:10 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
SoonerGal: You do know how to bite, don't you? I can relate 100% to what she's saying and it isn't because I'm a sheep, it's because I live probably in the most PC nation in the world. Here it doesn't matter what you mean or how you say it, there is no saying it the "proper" way...I dare you to come here and say your e.g.....you'll no doubt be the headline on FoxNews and CNN...trust me the black community would try and have you hung for that.


Yup......got all my own teethgrin Friendliness, however, is a good beginning. Fear of your environment does not make for friendliness. I have no wish to move to the United States ty and I am very comfortable moving within different cultures. It´s the person who matters.
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Dec 1, 2013 8:12 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
Leo_7
Leo_7Leo_7Baku, Azerbaijan87 Threads 16 Polls 2,514 Posts
serena123: No such thing... most Countries brag that their Citizens have the freedom to say what they like... Total B.S, you can say anything, only if its "politically correct" or doesn't p.ss anyone off! Much like C.S.say something wrong here, and you either kicked off the site, banned or blocked.. So what does "Freedom of speech" actually mean?
todays freedom speech means,becareful what u say,or u ll be in troubledoh laugh
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Dec 1, 2013 8:13 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
tomcatwarne: Yes, I just used the US as an example the same really applies to most countries.


thumbs up
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Dec 1, 2013 8:15 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
SoonerGal: I believe that...Hoolet has no idea what it's like over here...if a black man robs a store, you best not be saying "black", it's African American... I could go on and on, but big brother is probably watching

So, why do you have a problem with saying 'African American' if in your culture that's the polite and non-discrimatory thing to do?
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Dec 1, 2013 8:16 AM CST Freedom of Speech?
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
Knickers,knackers,knockers! Jeeeesh, i feel better for that.grin
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