LIZZIE BORDEN.... (60)
tdboydsection, Alabama USA1 Threads 19 PostsLooking for someone interested in the Lizzie Borden case. I have studied this case for close to 10 yrs. I have my own thoughts but would love to hear yours. THX
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tdboyd: Looking for someone interested in the Lizzie Borden case. I have studied this case for close to 10 yrs. I have my own thoughts but would love to hear yours. THX
need,some wood chopped,she have her ax.------ This thread is Archived ------
One of the great unsolved mysteries! I'm rusty on it now, but I believe she was accused and never convicted?
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CapNemo: One of the great unsolved mysteries! I'm rusty on it now, but I believe she was accused and never convicted?
After spending 10 months in jail, it took the jury just over an hour to acquit her.------ This thread is Archived ------
reb56: need,some wood chopped,she have her ax.
Actually it was a hatchet, NOT an axe.------ This thread is Archived ------
CapNemo: One of the great unsolved mysteries! I'm rusty on it now, but I believe she was accused and never convicted?
the butler/maid did it,money talks.------ This thread is Archived ------
reb56: the butler/maid did it,money talks.
There was no butler, but the servant girl, Bridgett Sullivan, was there when both murders were committed.------ This thread is Archived ------
Wasn't there movies made about her life?
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Ccincy: Wasn't there movies made about her life?
Yes... one in the '70s starring Liz Montgomery (of Bewitched fame) & a new one just released starring Ms. Rice. Sadly, neither one is based on "facts".------ This thread is Archived ------
tdboyd: Yes... one in the '70s starring Liz Montgomery (of Bewitched fame) & a new one just released starring Ms. Rice. Sadly, neither one is based on "facts".
Most of them rarely are.
Most will claim based on facts.
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tdboyd: Looking for someone interested in the Lizzie Borden case. I have studied this case for close to 10 yrs. I have my own thoughts but would love to hear yours. THX
In spite of circumstantial evidence being overwhelming,(*) she was acquitted of the crime, and lived more or less sumptuously on her parent's wealth for the rest of her life. *she had just purchased an axe. she was seen burning a bloody dress in the woodstove. she had numerous fights with her step-mother. her time-frames on her routine that day did not add up.
Is it possible she really was innocent? I also have been interested in this case, especially because of the Victorian era it occurred in, the likelihood she was guilty, and her acquittal. Strange case, but there must have been ample doubt in twelve jurors minds.
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rohaan: In spite of circumstantial evidence being overwhelming,(*) she was acquitted of the crime, and lived more or less sumptuously on her parent's wealth for the rest of her life.
*she had just purchased an axe. she was seen burning a bloody dress in the woodstove. she had numerous fights with her step-mother. her time-frames on her routine that day did not add up.
Is it possible she really was innocent? I also have been interested in this case, especially because of the Victorian era it occurred in, the likelihood she was guilty, and her acquittal. Strange case, but there must have been ample doubt in twelve jurors minds.
I can find no evidence of her purchasing a new axe. The murder weapon was supposedly a hatchet. There was a NEW hatchet found on a neighbors (John Crowe) barn roof, 8 mths. after the murders. This hatchet was later claimed by a worker. I have doubts to this belonging to the worker as he was working on ANOTHER roof, NOT JOHN CROWES. If you lose your hatchet wouldn't you go to the last place you had it? NOT 8 mths. later?? I believe someone (LIZZIE??) paid him to lay claim to it. The Crowe property bordered the Bordens back yard. Lizzie was spotted coming from that area that morning. I believe this hatchet to have killed Abby. I think the hatchet with the broken handle, found in the cellar, killed Andrew. The dress she burned was said to have been covered in paint. I say it was covered in blood. I think the 12 male jurors could not bring themselves to believe a woman could commit such a horrible double murder. So much was not allowed to be heard at the trail... Her preliminary testimony (full of contradictions) wasn't allowed.. her attempt to purchase prussic acid the day before was tossed out etc.*she had just purchased an axe. she was seen burning a bloody dress in the woodstove. she had numerous fights with her step-mother. her time-frames on her routine that day did not add up.
Is it possible she really was innocent? I also have been interested in this case, especially because of the Victorian era it occurred in, the likelihood she was guilty, and her acquittal. Strange case, but there must have been ample doubt in twelve jurors minds.
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Lizzie Borden took an axe Hatchet
And gave her mother forty whacks.
When the job was nicely done
She gave her father forty-one.
Nah that doesn't rhyme therefore she must have used an axe.
And gave her mother forty whacks.
When the job was nicely done
She gave her father forty-one.
Nah that doesn't rhyme therefore she must have used an axe.
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ooby_dooby: Lizzie Borden took an axe Hatchet
And gave her mother forty whacks.
When the job was nicely done
She gave her father forty-one.
Nah that doesn't rhyme therefore she must have used an axe.
If I remember correctly, the amount of whacks wasn't 40 and 41. I could be wrong. Been a long time since I read the case.And gave her mother forty whacks.
When the job was nicely done
She gave her father forty-one.
Nah that doesn't rhyme therefore she must have used an axe.
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They've had some good songs 
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Lack of evidence, a time before forensic science. Acquittal is no surprise.
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tdboyd: I can find no evidence of her purchasing a new axe. The murder weapon was supposedly a hatchet. There was a NEW hatchet found on a neighbors (John Crowe) barn roof, 8 mths. after the murders. This hatchet was later claimed by a worker. I have doubts to this belonging to the worker as he was working on ANOTHER roof, NOT JOHN CROWES. If you lose your hatchet wouldn't you go to the last place you had it? NOT 8 mths. later?? I believe someone (LIZZIE??) paid him to lay claim to it. The Crowe property bordered the Bordens back yard. Lizzie was spotted coming from that area that morning. I believe this hatchet to have killed Abby. I think the hatchet with the broken handle, found in the cellar, killed Andrew. The dress she burned was said to have been covered in paint. I say it was covered in blood. I think the 12 male jurors could not bring themselves to believe a woman could commit such a horrible double murder. So much was not allowed to be heard at the trail... Her preliminary testimony (full of contradictions) wasn't allowed.. her attempt to purchase prussic acid the day before was tossed out etc.
You could be correct about the axe/hatchet. (the terms are interchangeable, but by all means, we'll say "hatchet") The proprietor of the hardware store had told the police that Miss Borden had "left his shop with a hatchet". It was never determined whether or not she actually bought it. A movie starring Elizabeth Montgomery indicates she swiped it. The Fall River police firmly believed Borden was the criminal.------ This thread is Archived ------
CuddlingSoul: Lack of evidence, a time before forensic science. Acquittal is no surprise.
And, at that time, a new interest/awareness in American legalistics was at the forefront, and "innocent until proven guilty" was more the trend. (It sure doesn't seem so in many cases now...)------ This thread is Archived ------
rohaan: You could be correct about the axe/hatchet. (the terms are interchangeable, but by all means, we'll say "hatchet") The proprietor of the hardware store had told the police that Miss Borden had "left his shop with a hatchet". It was never determined whether or not she actually bought it. A movie starring Elizabeth Montgomery indicates she swiped it. The Fall River police firmly believed Borden was the criminal.
NO ONE testified at the preliminary hearing or the trail that Lizzie bought or swiped a hatchet or an axe from their store. The movie with Elizabeth Montgomery was pure Hollywood, as is the new one with Ms. Rice.------ This thread is Archived ------
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