Incentive to Work.... (101)
About_Blank: ...Its a fact of life in post tiger Ireland that we go where the work is...
And for the record, I like working, and thankfully I love the line of work im in, but I ask the question, where is the incentive to work when a person earns less in employment than they did on the dole?....
Has the system of welfare been turned into a system of 'entitlement' for those who make no effort of personal and social betterment?...
I lost my job in 2012 after 27 years in the trade of my choice, I retrained, did voluntary and now have the job i should have had over 20 years ago, Im happy in, and sustainable (just), but what of those who are claiming welfare and every kind of allowance....Is there a line to be drawn...when is enough enough?....
And for the record, I like working, and thankfully I love the line of work im in, but I ask the question, where is the incentive to work when a person earns less in employment than they did on the dole?....
Has the system of welfare been turned into a system of 'entitlement' for those who make no effort of personal and social betterment?...
I lost my job in 2012 after 27 years in the trade of my choice, I retrained, did voluntary and now have the job i should have had over 20 years ago, Im happy in, and sustainable (just), but what of those who are claiming welfare and every kind of allowance....Is there a line to be drawn...when is enough enough?....
It is something I have said many times, the subsequant governments have created a welfare dependant state. I worked for a long time placing unemployed people in employment and there have always been those who dont want to work. The SW payment is like a security blanket that some people are reluctant to let go of.
As for benefits in kind, I have seen a young Mother abandon a perfectly good buggy at a bus stop because the bus didnt have room for it stating that she would go to the welfare officer next day and get money for a new one. So yes enough is enough. A person should never be better off not working than working.
Having said that when I was out of work I was certainly not better off.
For me personal pride is just as important as earning money and I have always wanted to work. Part of it is in how we are reared, I didnt allow either of my children to sign on when they finished school, they were fit to work so they worked.
About_Blank: ...Its a fact of life in post tiger Ireland that we go where the work is...
And for the record, I like working, and thankfully I love the line of work im in, but I ask the question, where is the incentive to work when a person earns less in employment than they did on the dole?....
Has the system of welfare been turned into a system of 'entitlement' for those who make no effort of personal and social betterment?...
I lost my job in 2012 after 27 years in the trade of my choice, I retrained, did voluntary and now have the job i should have had over 20 years ago, Im happy in, and sustainable (just), but what of those who are claiming welfare and every kind of allowance....Is there a line to be drawn...when is enough enough?....
And for the record, I like working, and thankfully I love the line of work im in, but I ask the question, where is the incentive to work when a person earns less in employment than they did on the dole?....
Has the system of welfare been turned into a system of 'entitlement' for those who make no effort of personal and social betterment?...
I lost my job in 2012 after 27 years in the trade of my choice, I retrained, did voluntary and now have the job i should have had over 20 years ago, Im happy in, and sustainable (just), but what of those who are claiming welfare and every kind of allowance....Is there a line to be drawn...when is enough enough?....
There is an indirect value of choosing to work for bit less than welfare if the opportunity is there e.g.
e.g. If I had to interview two people with the same qualifications for one good well paid job and saw that one person had been on the dole for the last 5 years and the other decided to work for less than the dole so as as to keep their CV full and active. I think I know the one I would hire...
About_Blank: ...Its a fact of life in post tiger Ireland that we go where the work is...
And for the record, I like working, and thankfully I love the line of work im in, but I ask the question, where is the incentive to work when a person earns less in employment than they did on the dole?....
Has the system of welfare been turned into a system of 'entitlement' for those who make no effort of personal and social betterment?...
I lost my job in 2012 after 27 years in the trade of my choice, I retrained, did voluntary and now have the job i should have had over 20 years ago, Im happy in, and sustainable (just), but what of those who are claiming welfare and every kind of allowance....Is there a line to be drawn...when is enough enough?....
And for the record, I like working, and thankfully I love the line of work im in, but I ask the question, where is the incentive to work when a person earns less in employment than they did on the dole?....
Has the system of welfare been turned into a system of 'entitlement' for those who make no effort of personal and social betterment?...
I lost my job in 2012 after 27 years in the trade of my choice, I retrained, did voluntary and now have the job i should have had over 20 years ago, Im happy in, and sustainable (just), but what of those who are claiming welfare and every kind of allowance....Is there a line to be drawn...when is enough enough?....
I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted pay cheques
Hi L, 
it is frustrating to work full time and not make ends meet.
€180 a week wouldn't be an incentive for me not to work - running a car, living a normal lifestyle wouldn't be possible on that money. I am grateful it is there in case I'm out sick or loose a job.
It is an attitude problem, just talk to some people who are out of work even during the Celtic tiger or young girls choosing getting babies as a career choice.
I think trying to change some people's attitude to work is the real problem and not the amount of social welfare money.
it is frustrating to work full time and not make ends meet.€180 a week wouldn't be an incentive for me not to work - running a car, living a normal lifestyle wouldn't be possible on that money. I am grateful it is there in case I'm out sick or loose a job.
It is an attitude problem, just talk to some people who are out of work even during the Celtic tiger or young girls choosing getting babies as a career choice.
I think trying to change some people's attitude to work is the real problem and not the amount of social welfare money.
About_Blank: ...Its a fact of life in post tiger Ireland that we go where the work is...
And for the record, I like working, and thankfully I love the line of work im in, but I ask the question, where is the incentive to work when a person earns less in employment than they did on the dole?....
Has the system of welfare been turned into a system of 'entitlement' for those who make no effort of personal and social betterment?...
I lost my job in 2012 after 27 years in the trade of my choice, I retrained, did voluntary and now have the job i should have had over 20 years ago, Im happy in, and sustainable (just), but what of those who are claiming welfare and every kind of allowance....Is there a line to be drawn...when is enough enough?....
i'm on disability at the moment and to be honest i have no idea how ppl choose to be on the dole and be happy with what they get, i'm getting 188euro weekly at the moment and struggling every week to make ends meet but i've no choice due to my health situ, i'll tell ya this much tho, i can't wait to get the all clear and go back to work, tho sadly due to the fabulous health service here it looks like thats gonna take another year or so And for the record, I like working, and thankfully I love the line of work im in, but I ask the question, where is the incentive to work when a person earns less in employment than they did on the dole?....
Has the system of welfare been turned into a system of 'entitlement' for those who make no effort of personal and social betterment?...
I lost my job in 2012 after 27 years in the trade of my choice, I retrained, did voluntary and now have the job i should have had over 20 years ago, Im happy in, and sustainable (just), but what of those who are claiming welfare and every kind of allowance....Is there a line to be drawn...when is enough enough?....
Orien3: There is an indirect value of choosing to work for bit less than welfare if the opportunity is there e.g.
e.g. If I had to interview two people with the same qualifications for one good well paid job and saw that one person had been on the dole for the last 5 years and the other decided to work for less than the dole so as as to keep their CV full and active. I think I know the one I would hire...
e.g. If I had to interview two people with the same qualifications for one good well paid job and saw that one person had been on the dole for the last 5 years and the other decided to work for less than the dole so as as to keep their CV full and active. I think I know the one I would hire...
you mean like working on a jobsbridge whereby you get an extra €50 a week but use it on travel expenses but you get some sort of training for the 6-9 months.....
or are you suggesting that people live below the poverty line permanently?
Orien3: There is an indirect value of choosing to work for bit less than welfare if the opportunity is there e.g.
e.g. If I had to interview two people with the same qualifications for one good well paid job and saw that one person had been on the dole for the last 5 years and the other decided to work for less than the dole so as as to keep their CV full and active. I think I know the one I would hire...
e.g. If I had to interview two people with the same qualifications for one good well paid job and saw that one person had been on the dole for the last 5 years and the other decided to work for less than the dole so as as to keep their CV full and active. I think I know the one I would hire...
I would call the first person smart and the second person stupid. So I'd hire the first person. They would have a much greater view of value...
About_Blank: ...Its a fact of life in post tiger Ireland that we go where the work is...
And for the record, I like working, and thankfully I love the line of work im in, but I ask the question, where is the incentive to work when a person earns less in employment than they did on the dole?....
Has the system of welfare been turned into a system of 'entitlement' for those who make no effort of personal and social betterment?...
I lost my job in 2012 after 27 years in the trade of my choice, I retrained, did voluntary and now have the job i should have had over 20 years ago, Im happy in, and sustainable (just), but what of those who are claiming welfare and every kind of allowance....Is there a line to be drawn...when is enough enough?....
And for the record, I like working, and thankfully I love the line of work im in, but I ask the question, where is the incentive to work when a person earns less in employment than they did on the dole?....
Has the system of welfare been turned into a system of 'entitlement' for those who make no effort of personal and social betterment?...
I lost my job in 2012 after 27 years in the trade of my choice, I retrained, did voluntary and now have the job i should have had over 20 years ago, Im happy in, and sustainable (just), but what of those who are claiming welfare and every kind of allowance....Is there a line to be drawn...when is enough enough?....
why would somebody bother working for minimun wage these days? and lets face it any jobs that are available out there are at the low end..minimum wage and to make matters worse you get worked to the bone..if you get paid 9 euro an hour over a 39 hour week thats around the 350 mark which is alright..i'd work for that but then you have your tax taken out which would leave you with a poxy 320 a week..now try take all your weekly expenses out of that..car..rent..food..and prices haven't come down at all since the the so called boom..you'd be lucky to have 20 quid left over for a bit of fun at the end of the week..so really you are only working for a 100 euro a week considering the dole is 188 a week..why would you want to drag yourself out of a warm bed in the mornings for a hundred quid..when you could have a nice easy life 188 handed to you every week and rent allowance along with a raft of other benefits that a working fool could only dream of..so the only solution I can see is to increase the minimum wage to 12 euro an hour to have any standard of living..to have any incentive to get out of bed in the morning..oh and decrease the the income taxes too..the whole thing stinks..
Tormented:
If we were to take away benefits(after a certain time-frame) for all young single/able males then you can bet your bottom dollar this would be incentive enough.
You might end up with a lot of hungry children, though, at the same time.If we were to take away benefits(after a certain time-frame) for all young single/able males then you can bet your bottom dollar this would be incentive enough.
Nobody should be getting welfare benefits after more than 18 months unemployment, they should be cut off plain and simple. There should be welfare caps as follows.
Single person (no dependent children) €150 per week maximum reduced to €100 per week after 12 months unemployment
Single Parent €200 per week maximum reduced to €170 per week after 12 months unemployment
A couple with dependent children €300 per week reduced to €220 per week after 12 months unemployment.
That figures includes rent allowance, child benefit, spouses allowance, back to school allowance, fuel allowance, etc.
It's the only way to put an end to this crap in working class areas where there is a huge welfare dependency culture.
As far as I'm concerned THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS.
Single person (no dependent children) €150 per week maximum reduced to €100 per week after 12 months unemployment
Single Parent €200 per week maximum reduced to €170 per week after 12 months unemployment
A couple with dependent children €300 per week reduced to €220 per week after 12 months unemployment.
That figures includes rent allowance, child benefit, spouses allowance, back to school allowance, fuel allowance, etc.
It's the only way to put an end to this crap in working class areas where there is a huge welfare dependency culture.
As far as I'm concerned THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS.
kennyfromdublin: Nobody should be getting welfare benefits after more than 18 months unemployment, they should be cut off plain and simple. There should be welfare caps as follows.
Single person (no dependent children) €150 per week maximum reduced to €100 per week after 12 months unemployment
Single Parent €200 per week maximum reduced to €170 per week after 12 months unemployment
A couple with dependent children €300 per week reduced to €220 per week after 12 months unemployment.
That figures includes rent allowance, child benefit, spouses allowance, back to school allowance, fuel allowance, etc.
It's the only way to put an end to this crap in working class areas where there is a huge welfare dependency culture.
As far as I'm concerned THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS.
Single person (no dependent children) €150 per week maximum reduced to €100 per week after 12 months unemployment
Single Parent €200 per week maximum reduced to €170 per week after 12 months unemployment
A couple with dependent children €300 per week reduced to €220 per week after 12 months unemployment.
That figures includes rent allowance, child benefit, spouses allowance, back to school allowance, fuel allowance, etc.
It's the only way to put an end to this crap in working class areas where there is a huge welfare dependency culture.
As far as I'm concerned THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS.
You must remember that the welfare system was the major reason Western society economies didn't suffer a recession as bad as or worse than the Great Depression.
kennyfromdublin: That will create more unemployment if the minimum wage is increased to €12 per hour as you suggest and It will discourage many firms from hiring extra people.
You increase the minimum wage, many companies will also have to increase the costs of goods and services that they provide.
A welfare cap and a time limit on welfare benefits is the best solution as I suggested in another post.
If new jobs are to be created the minimum wage will have to be cut especially for younger people so that they can get some employment experience.
You increase the minimum wage, many companies will also have to increase the costs of goods and services that they provide.
A welfare cap and a time limit on welfare benefits is the best solution as I suggested in another post.
If new jobs are to be created the minimum wage will have to be cut especially for younger people so that they can get some employment experience.
A neo-classical approach to unemployment will tell you that theoretically a reduction in minimum wage will result in more employment. But there is absolutely no evidence of that in reality. There simply can't be. We don't live in the made-up "perfect competition" economy that they base these theories on.
You might be surprised also to realise that it is the top 1% of wealth that are the biggest advocates of a generous welfare system, which other workers actually pay for. The last thing they want is no anchor in the economy when recessions hit!
just shoot the unemployed put them out of their misery ,i wonder if roles were reversed with the smug a**hole with jobs be still spouting crap im sure most people unemployed want to work but you will always get a few who will avoid work like the plague 
When the 'boom' was here, we had almost full employment, which means that most people do want to work if there is work available.
There is definitely a culture amongst some in the underclass to have generation after generation unemployed, usually under-educated, and dependent. This will only change when the cycle is broken, and this will require time and commitment from both sides.
But for the vast majority of people who find themselves unemployed now, it is not by choice but by circumstance.
They need training, further education, grants and incentives and practical encouragement to help them back into employment or self-employment again .
Carrots not sticks work better. It will benefit both the economy and society as a whole.
There is definitely a culture amongst some in the underclass to have generation after generation unemployed, usually under-educated, and dependent. This will only change when the cycle is broken, and this will require time and commitment from both sides.
But for the vast majority of people who find themselves unemployed now, it is not by choice but by circumstance.
They need training, further education, grants and incentives and practical encouragement to help them back into employment or self-employment again .
Carrots not sticks work better. It will benefit both the economy and society as a whole.
left school at the ripe old age of 14 all my little life which was great made a few bob along the way but now at my age and i am old decided to start my brain work again so god is good leaving cert soon maybe the next local elections vote sweeper the cute cork hore fair play molly education all the way 
sweeper: left school at the ripe old age of 14 all my little life which was great made a few bob along the way but now at my age and i am old decided to start my brain work again so god is good leaving cert soon maybe the next local elections vote sweeper the cute cork hore fair play molly education all the way
Great news, Sweeper! It'll be no bother to you
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And for the record, I like working, and thankfully I love the line of work im in, but I ask the question, where is the incentive to work when a person earns less in employment than they did on the dole?....
Has the system of welfare been turned into a system of 'entitlement' for those who make no effort of personal and social betterment?...
I lost my job in 2012 after 27 years in the trade of my choice, I retrained, did voluntary and now have the job i should have had over 20 years ago, Im happy in, and sustainable (just), but what of those who are claiming welfare and every kind of allowance....Is there a line to be drawn...when is enough enough?....