Your Best Argument For Creation (226)
AgentAjax: try Paul 1:18-31 god opposes the elite.
OT god objects to the building of the tower becase humans will know as much as god in a very short time.
OT god objects to the building of the tower becase humans will know as much as god in a very short time.
So, if God opposes education, (so you say), than your point about I should be praising my surgeon, who you said was given the ability to heal me through his education, and not God, is kind of an oxymoron then(?)
Hmmmm.............
I'm still sticking to my original response to your topic:
Faith!
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robplum: They never will AA, the physicists never will
form is emptiness, and emptiness is form.
Form is not other than emptiness, emptiness
is not other than form.
The same is true with feelings, perceptions,
mental formations, and consciousness.
or
Form and Emptiness
"Form is emptiness, emptiness is form; emptiness is not other than form, form too is not other than emptiness."
never say never, they once said we will never travel to the moon or split an atom.form is emptiness, and emptiness is form.
Form is not other than emptiness, emptiness
is not other than form.
The same is true with feelings, perceptions,
mental formations, and consciousness.
or
Form and Emptiness
"Form is emptiness, emptiness is form; emptiness is not other than form, form too is not other than emptiness."
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LadyLori: So, if God opposes education, (so you say), than your point about I should be praising my surgeon, who you said was given the ability to heal me through his education, and not God, is kind of an oxymoron then(?)
Hmmmm.............
I'm still sticking to my original response to your topic:
Faith!
as you would, we all believed in magic once upon a time. Hmmmm.............
I'm still sticking to my original response to your topic:
Faith!
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MADDOG69: I suspect looking at the history of Particle physics, that it's like a fractal. The more we look there will always be a little something that won't balance the equation. Unfortunately the smaller we go, the more energy we need in Accelerator technology. It may be a never ending journey. But I think we should always keep looking for as much as the budgets will allow.
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Ccincy: Interesting quote.“It comforts me to think that if we are created beings the thing that created us would have to be greater than us, so much greater, in fact, that we would not be able to understand it. It would have to be greater than the facts of our reality and so it would seem to us, looking out from within our reality that it would contradict reason. But reason itself would suggest it would have to be greater than reality or it would not be reasonable.”
? Donald Miller, Blue Like Jazz: Nonreligious Thoughts on Christian Spirituality
for now we are limited by our knowledge of facts but we are not limited by the capacity to understand.? Donald Miller, Blue Like Jazz: Nonreligious Thoughts on Christian Spirituality
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AgentAjax: Perhaps if both ends of the space and matter are infinite, which I place a big doubt on.
Well no. The Universe isn't infinite. It's still expanding. There is nothing outside of the universe. There is no empty space. There is literally no 'time'. So we know we have a bound on the Macro view of things. As for the small stuff.. we don't know. But it would be philosophically beautifully if we never know and it's an endless journey of discovery.
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Maybe conscience will in the infinity of time for which time does not exist be the pathway to the two worlds of past present and future,
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MADDOG69: Well no. The Universe isn't infinite. It's still expanding. There is nothing outside of the universe. There is no empty space. There is literally no 'time'. So we know we have a bound on the Macro view of things. As for the small stuff.. we don't know. But it would be philosophically beautifully if we never know and it's an endless journey of discovery.
funny you should say that 
one of the particle physicists said the same thing."I hope we don't find out soon or we all will be unemployed". ------ This thread is Archived ------
AgentAjax: as you would, we all believed in magic once upon a time.
Magic is fake.
Faith is a true feeling/belief in ones heart & soul. I pass no judgement for those who don't possess it, yet I (and others) who do, are often judged.
I'm OK with that....it's a personal choice for every human. I actually have a good friend who doesn't believe in God and we have a mutual respect for each others views/opinions & we are both mature about it to not let it effect our friendship.
Life goes on, each & every day, no matter what any of us believe/say.
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peachmelba: Maybe conscience will in the infinity of time for which time does not exist be the pathway to the two worlds of past present and future,
While there is no certainty on what If's, There is a certainty that creationists do not have a valid argument for creation. ------ This thread is Archived ------
peachmelba: Maybe conscience will in the infinity of time for which time does not exist be the pathway to the two worlds of past present and future,
conciousness I can't spell it,I think I'm floating in space for which we are in already,my bed could be floating now I must go and see,but my trained eye tells me it's on the floor,...I'm glad Newton discovered gravity,
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LadyLori: Magic is fake.
Faith is a true feeling/belief in ones heart & soul. I pass no judgement for those who don't possess it, yet I (and others) who do, are often judged.
I'm OK with that....it's a personal choice for every human. I actually have a good friend who doesn't believe in God and we have a mutual respect for each others views/opinions & we are both mature about it to not let it effect our friendship.
Life goes on, each & every day, no matter what any of us believe/say.
the thing is you have less faith in god then you are willing to admit. If you truly believed your belief would heal your bones not doctors. ...just sayin. Faith is a true feeling/belief in ones heart & soul. I pass no judgement for those who don't possess it, yet I (and others) who do, are often judged.
I'm OK with that....it's a personal choice for every human. I actually have a good friend who doesn't believe in God and we have a mutual respect for each others views/opinions & we are both mature about it to not let it effect our friendship.
Life goes on, each & every day, no matter what any of us believe/say.
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peachmelba: conciousness I can't spell it,I think I'm floating in space for which we are in already,my bed could be floating now I must go and see,but my trained eye tells me it's on the floor,...I'm glad Newton discovered gravity,
All good we all make typos me more than others
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MADDOG69: Well no. The Universe isn't infinite. It's still expanding. There is nothing outside of the universe. There is no empty space. There is literally no 'time'. So we know we have a bound on the Macro view of things. As for the small stuff.. we don't know. But it would be philosophically beautifully if we never know and it's an endless journey of discovery.
not really.. theories changes everyday, and any claim that "that is a fact", is not a fact. it is a theory.
as you read in the article, Hubble made two important observations:
The light from all the distant galaxies is red-shifted.
he further away the galaxy the bigger the red-shift.
This means:
All the distant galaxies are moving away from us.
The further away the galaxy, the faster it is moving away.
sorry Mad, i dont agree with "statement"... as we have no idea how the universe is.
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AgentAjax: the thing is you have less faith in god then you are willing to admit. If you truly believed your belief would heal your bones not doctors. ...just sayin.
..who said I needed a doctor not i,------ This thread is Archived ------
AgentAjax: the thing is you have less faith in god then you are willing to admit. If you truly believed your belief would heal your bones not doctors. ...just sayin.
My belief is God guided the hands of my surgeon, so he could fix me as best he could. Then God continued, by giving me the faith, strength and tenacity to get through my long & painful recovery. As my body healed, my faith stayed strong, for me to be emotionally & spiritually intact, so that I could be the best person I could be after all was said and done. Why you have a hard time with MY faith & beliefs is your issue, not mine.
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peachmelba: ..who said I needed a doctor not i,
Hey Peach....he was talking to me. AgentAjax is apparently perplexed by my faith, and has been enjoying trying to "break me"
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LadyLori: My belief is God guided the hands of my surgeon, so he could fix me as best he could. Then God continued, by giving me the faith, strength and tenacity to get through my long & painful recovery. As my body healed, my faith stayed strong, for me to be emotionally & spiritually intact, so that I could be the best person I could be after all was said and done. Why you have a hard time with MY faith & beliefs is your issue, not mine.
and that is the reason why religion exists today because the people who believe have logic of a two year old. ------ This thread is Archived ------
AgentAjax: and that is the reason why religion exists today because the people who believe have logic of a two year old.
Usually one starts hurling insults when one feels they are loosing ground.
It also can be a ploy to try and divert the person it was directed at, to react in an equally immature and insulting manner.
However, I am classy & smart enough to not take your bait. And that, sir, is how a woman with logic, a bit more advanced than a 2 year old, handles an argumentative & insulting person.
An unwarranted insult is also a way to end what was prior, an interesting, good & mature debate.
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“It comforts me to think that if we are created beings the thing that created us would have to be greater than us, so much greater, in fact, that we would not be able to understand it. It would have to be greater than the facts of our reality and so it would seem to us, looking out from within our reality that it would contradict reason. But reason itself would suggest it would have to be greater than reality or it would not be reasonable.”
? Donald Miller, Blue Like Jazz: Nonreligious Thoughts on Christian Spirituality