Your Best Argument For Creation (226)
AgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Postsjaxfix: The best argument for Creation is this: The best documented fact of human history is the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Say what you will, something happened at Jesus' tomb that CANNOT be explained in human terms. Now, if that be true - and it IS true - and if Jesus quoted from and gave every indication that He believed the Old Testament, to me, that is the BEST proof possible that everything happened just as it says it did in the Book of Genesis. But, if you don't believe that Jesus is the Christ, don't make any difference: you are doomed.
before Jesus there were many gods who were resurrected and you don't believe in them or their resurrection. ..
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AgentAjax: Im glad it all worked out for you but without the surgeon you never would have gotten better no matter how much you believed in god. As I said you all turn to medical intervention but fail to give full credit to science and the good will of mankind.
I thank God for creating my surgeon & giving him the ability/knowledge to fix me!
Your words can not & will not steer me away from my faith & belief in creation.
As I stated earlier, it's OK if you don't agree with me and I, you. We both have a right to our own feelings/opinions/beliefs.
I don't need your validation for what helps me get through each & every day. My Creator does that for me :)
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AgentAjax: I haven't heard one yet!Is it possible to come up with one that is logical.
no, our small brains dont have that power, and our methods of inquiry are useless, although some might believe they can. Inconsistent speculation raises dangerous presumption .... of nothing.
regarding any theory about the universe and where/how is created is pure speculation as we cannot even conceive that for now. for those who believe that God is a good explanation it's all a matter of faith... not science.
i have no answer - the more i know the less i know. happy with that.
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Bogart_1960: no, our small brains dont have that power, and our methods of inquiry are useless, although some might believe they can. Inconsistent speculation raises dangerous presumption .... of nothing.
regarding any theory about the universe and where/how is created is pure speculation as we cannot even conceive that for now. for those who believe that God is a good explanation it's all a matter of faith... not science.
i have no answer - the more i know the less i know. happy with that.
regarding any theory about the universe and where/how is created is pure speculation as we cannot even conceive that for now. for those who believe that God is a good explanation it's all a matter of faith... not science.
i have no answer - the more i know the less i know. happy with that.
Hear! Hear!
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LadyLori: I thank God for creating my surgeon & giving him the ability/knowledge to fix me!
Your words can not & will not steer me away from my faith & belief in creation.
As I stated earlier, it's OK if you don't agree with me and I, you. We both have a right to our own feelings/opinions/beliefs.
I don't need your validation for what helps me get through each & every day. My Creator does that for me :)
Education created your surgeon he wasn't created by god but by education system which god opposes. People are not born surgeons, builders. ..etc.Your words can not & will not steer me away from my faith & belief in creation.
As I stated earlier, it's OK if you don't agree with me and I, you. We both have a right to our own feelings/opinions/beliefs.
I don't need your validation for what helps me get through each & every day. My Creator does that for me :)
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AgentAjax: Education created your surgeon he wasn't created by god but by education system which god opposes. People are not born surgeons, builders. ..etc.
God opposes the educational system.
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Bogart_1960: no, our small brains dont have that power, and our methods of inquiry are useless, although some might believe they can. Inconsistent speculation raises dangerous presumption .... of nothing.
regarding any theory about the universe and where/how is created is pure speculation as we cannot even conceive that for now. for those who believe that God is a good explanation it's all a matter of faith... not science.
i have no answer - the more i know the less i know. happy with that.
regarding any theory about the universe and where/how is created is pure speculation as we cannot even conceive that for now. for those who believe that God is a good explanation it's all a matter of faith... not science.
i have no answer - the more i know the less i know. happy with that.
Hiya Bogart
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Bogart_1960: no, our small brains dont have that power, and our methods of inquiry are useless, although some might believe they can. Inconsistent speculation raises dangerous presumption .... of nothing.
regarding any theory about the universe and where/how is created is pure speculation as we cannot even conceive that for now. for those who believe that God is a good explanation it's all a matter of faith... not science.
i have no answer - the more i know the less i know. happy with that.
How the universe was created is not science until it can be repeatedly proven. In saying that, most of technology we have today is based on the theory of space and time.regarding any theory about the universe and where/how is created is pure speculation as we cannot even conceive that for now. for those who believe that God is a good explanation it's all a matter of faith... not science.
i have no answer - the more i know the less i know. happy with that.
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Kaybee50: God opposes the educational system.
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AgentAjax: Education created your surgeon he wasn't created by god but by education system which god opposes. People are not born surgeons, builders. ..etc.
I have been very respectful & polite so far.
And I have debated many people like you over the years-you're a dime a dozen, to be honest.
"education system which God opposes" Hmmm.............I guess I missed the part in the Bible where it states God opposes education(?) - Is that another one of your "facts"?
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According to the theory of emptiness, any belief in an objective reality grounded in the assumption of intrinsic, independent existence is simply untenable.
All things and events, whether ‘material’, mental or even abstract concepts like time, are devoid of objective, independent existence hings and events are 'empty' in that they can never possess any immutable essence, intrinsic reality or absolute ‘being’ that affords independence.
HHDL
All things and events, whether ‘material’, mental or even abstract concepts like time, are devoid of objective, independent existence hings and events are 'empty' in that they can never possess any immutable essence, intrinsic reality or absolute ‘being’ that affords independence.
HHDL
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AgentAjax: How the universe was created is not science until it can be repeatedly proven. In saying that, most of technology we have today is based on the theory of space and time.
nobody knows....i think "I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer.
btw, Krauss is good reading.
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LadyLori: I have been very respectful & polite so far.
And I have debated many people like you over the years-you're a dime a dozen, to be honest.
"education system which God opposes" Hmmm.............I guess I missed the part in the Bible where it states God opposes education(?) - Is that another one of your "facts"?
if you actually read the bible it clearly states from the beginning that god is a jealous god and only he provides everything and no one else.And I have debated many people like you over the years-you're a dime a dozen, to be honest.
"education system which God opposes" Hmmm.............I guess I missed the part in the Bible where it states God opposes education(?) - Is that another one of your "facts"?
Would you like me to dig up the scripture for you?
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Kaybee50: God opposes the educational system.
Hand on Kaybee.....I'm going through my Bible right now - I'm sure his facts are correct and it's in there somewhere! I'll let you know if I find it
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Bogart_1960: nobody knows....i think "I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer.
btw, Krauss is good reading.
that is correct no one knows but that is not to say that we never will once the particle physicists uncover the true nature of matter.btw, Krauss is good reading.
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AgentAjax: if you actually read the bible it clearly states from the beginning that god is a jealous god and only he provides everything and no one else.Would you like me to dig up the scripture for you?
You have a Bible? I am happy to hear that
And I'm all set-I know how to read :)
We're just going in circles, which doesn't really bother me, but I think I'm going to hop on a
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AgentAjax: that is correct no one knows but that is not to say that we never will once the particle physicists uncover the true nature of matter.
I don't know...not you, not me, and not even the physicists can be sure of that. its a maybe....
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LadyLori: Hand on Kaybee.....I'm going through my Bible right now - I'm sure his facts are correct and it's in there somewhere! I'll let you know if I find it
try Paul 1:18-31 god opposes the elite.OT god objects to the building of the tower becase humans will know as much as god in a very short time.
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AgentAjax: that is correct no one knows but that is not to say that we never will once the particle physicists uncover the true nature of matter.
They never will AA, the physicists never will
form is emptiness, and emptiness is form.
Form is not other than emptiness, emptiness
is not other than form.
The same is true with feelings, perceptions,
mental formations, and consciousness.
or
Form and Emptiness
"Form is emptiness, emptiness is form; emptiness is not other than form, form too is not other than emptiness."
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AgentAjax: that is correct no one knows but that is not to say that we never will once the particle physicists uncover the true nature of matter.
I suspect looking at the history of Particle physics, that it's like a fractal. The more we look there will always be a little something that won't balance the equation. Unfortunately the smaller we go, the more energy we need in Accelerator technology. It may be a never ending journey. But I think we should always keep looking for as much as the budgets will allow.
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