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I only got about 10 minutes into the video before losing patience as well, Gra.
I agree with Postneoludite that it's poorly presented, disconnected and not factual as you claim. Not that I think scientific methodology is the be all and end all, nor that narrative is invalid as a form of exploration and research, just that this presentation was insufficient.
However, I agree with you that some SSRI's do seem to increase suicidal ideation, particularly in the early weeks when someone is perhaps most vulnerable, and are therefore unsuitable for some (or perhaps most) people.
I agree that the early stages require greater monitoring than currently offered and in an ideal world intense support is preferable to taking SSRI's. The reality however, is that the resources are not currently available to do this and people need to be able to function in order to hold down employment, etc.
If I had it my way, we'd all be living a much more natural lifestyle in tune with ourselves and our environments. I really don't think the 24/7, capitalist, polluted context of our lives is conducive to good emotional, physical and spiritual health. I strongly suspect anti-depressants are a means for many of surviving the lifestyle which is pretty much forced upon us in this dysfunctional world we find ourselves living in.
Having said that, in the current circumstances, I have to agree with Unloaised, anti-depressants are saving lives. Whatever the draw backs of SSRI's, however much I would like to change how things are done, it's going to be a slow process if it happens at all and I find it difficult to deny people a means of survival.
Perhaps the first step might be having the opportunity to develop a relationship with a GP, rather than seeing a different locum every time a visit to the doctor is required. Research into talking therapies suggests the relational depth between the facilitator and client is more salient in terms of emotional health and progress than the genre of therapy, or any other factor.
I also think it's about time the power imbalance between doctors (who are traditionally viewed as 'knowing best') and the 'patient' (it should be 'client') is less skewed. People need way more information and control over their health choices, particularly as depression is so often triggered by feelings of lack of control.
I'm not sure advocating the cessation of SSRI use is functional. I'd rather see the emphasis on improving services and support with a view to anti-depressant use declining as a result. I think we need to focus on replacing, rather than taking away.
I agree with Postneoludite that it's poorly presented, disconnected and not factual as you claim. Not that I think scientific methodology is the be all and end all, nor that narrative is invalid as a form of exploration and research, just that this presentation was insufficient.
However, I agree with you that some SSRI's do seem to increase suicidal ideation, particularly in the early weeks when someone is perhaps most vulnerable, and are therefore unsuitable for some (or perhaps most) people.
I agree that the early stages require greater monitoring than currently offered and in an ideal world intense support is preferable to taking SSRI's. The reality however, is that the resources are not currently available to do this and people need to be able to function in order to hold down employment, etc.
If I had it my way, we'd all be living a much more natural lifestyle in tune with ourselves and our environments. I really don't think the 24/7, capitalist, polluted context of our lives is conducive to good emotional, physical and spiritual health. I strongly suspect anti-depressants are a means for many of surviving the lifestyle which is pretty much forced upon us in this dysfunctional world we find ourselves living in.
Having said that, in the current circumstances, I have to agree with Unloaised, anti-depressants are saving lives. Whatever the draw backs of SSRI's, however much I would like to change how things are done, it's going to be a slow process if it happens at all and I find it difficult to deny people a means of survival.
Perhaps the first step might be having the opportunity to develop a relationship with a GP, rather than seeing a different locum every time a visit to the doctor is required. Research into talking therapies suggests the relational depth between the facilitator and client is more salient in terms of emotional health and progress than the genre of therapy, or any other factor.
I also think it's about time the power imbalance between doctors (who are traditionally viewed as 'knowing best') and the 'patient' (it should be 'client') is less skewed. People need way more information and control over their health choices, particularly as depression is so often triggered by feelings of lack of control.
I'm not sure advocating the cessation of SSRI use is functional. I'd rather see the emphasis on improving services and support with a view to anti-depressant use declining as a result. I think we need to focus on replacing, rather than taking away.
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jac_the_gripper: I only got about 10 minutes into the video before losing patience as well, Gra.
I agree with Postneoludite that it's poorly presented, disconnected and not factual as you claim. Not that I think scientific methodology is the be all and end all, nor that narrative is invalid as a form of exploration and research, just that this presentation was insufficient.
However, I agree with you that some SSRI's do seem to increase suicidal ideation, particularly in the early weeks when someone is perhaps most vulnerable, and are therefore unsuitable for some (or perhaps most) people.
I agree that the early stages require greater monitoring than currently offered and in an ideal world intense support is preferable to taking SSRI's. The reality however, is that the resources are not currently available to do this and people need to be able to function in order to hold down employment, etc.
If I had it my way, we'd all be living a much more natural lifestyle in tune with ourselves and our environments. I really don't think the 24/7, capitalist, polluted context of our lives is conducive to good emotional, physical and spiritual health. I strongly suspect anti-depressants are a means for many of surviving the lifestyle which is pretty much forced upon us in this dysfunctional world we find ourselves living in.
Having said that, in the current circumstances, I have to agree with Unloaised, anti-depressants are saving lives. Whatever the draw backs of SSRI's, however much I would like to change how things are done, it's going to be a slow process if it happens at all and I find it difficult to deny people a means of survival.
Perhaps the first step might be having the opportunity to develop a relationship with a GP, rather than seeing a different locum every time a visit to the doctor is required. Research into talking therapies suggests the relational depth between the facilitator and client is more salient in terms of emotional health and progress than the genre of therapy, or any other factor.
I also think it's about time the power imbalance between doctors (who are traditionally viewed as 'knowing best') and the 'patient' (it should be 'client') is less skewed. People need way more information and control over their health choices, particularly as depression is so often triggered by feelings of lack of control.
I'm not sure advocating the cessation of SSRI use is functional. I'd rather see the emphasis on improving services and support with a view to anti-depressant use declining as a result. I think we need to focus on replacing, rather than taking away.
hi Jac...when i lost Mum...my doc put me on anti/depp....they made me feel worse....so i threw them away...and let nature take its course.....never again......I agree with Postneoludite that it's poorly presented, disconnected and not factual as you claim. Not that I think scientific methodology is the be all and end all, nor that narrative is invalid as a form of exploration and research, just that this presentation was insufficient.
However, I agree with you that some SSRI's do seem to increase suicidal ideation, particularly in the early weeks when someone is perhaps most vulnerable, and are therefore unsuitable for some (or perhaps most) people.
I agree that the early stages require greater monitoring than currently offered and in an ideal world intense support is preferable to taking SSRI's. The reality however, is that the resources are not currently available to do this and people need to be able to function in order to hold down employment, etc.
If I had it my way, we'd all be living a much more natural lifestyle in tune with ourselves and our environments. I really don't think the 24/7, capitalist, polluted context of our lives is conducive to good emotional, physical and spiritual health. I strongly suspect anti-depressants are a means for many of surviving the lifestyle which is pretty much forced upon us in this dysfunctional world we find ourselves living in.
Having said that, in the current circumstances, I have to agree with Unloaised, anti-depressants are saving lives. Whatever the draw backs of SSRI's, however much I would like to change how things are done, it's going to be a slow process if it happens at all and I find it difficult to deny people a means of survival.
Perhaps the first step might be having the opportunity to develop a relationship with a GP, rather than seeing a different locum every time a visit to the doctor is required. Research into talking therapies suggests the relational depth between the facilitator and client is more salient in terms of emotional health and progress than the genre of therapy, or any other factor.
I also think it's about time the power imbalance between doctors (who are traditionally viewed as 'knowing best') and the 'patient' (it should be 'client') is less skewed. People need way more information and control over their health choices, particularly as depression is so often triggered by feelings of lack of control.
I'm not sure advocating the cessation of SSRI use is functional. I'd rather see the emphasis on improving services and support with a view to anti-depressant use declining as a result. I think we need to focus on replacing, rather than taking away.
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truheart1941: hi Jac...when i lost Mum...my doc put me on anti/depp....they made me feel worse....so i threw them away...and let nature take its course.....never again......
Just hearing you say your doctor 'put you on anti-depressants' saddens me, like it was your GP's choice, not yours.
Anti-depressants do tend to have side effects in the initial stages, some settle down, some are intolerable, some suit some people and not others.
I don't think any of this is explained very well, nor are your options.
I've also found doctors are very knowledgeable about pharmaceuticals, pharmacists aren't very knowledgeable about medical issues and there's little communication between the two.
Neither appear very interested in listening to the individual needs of the person taking the medications.
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jac_the_gripper: Just hearing you say your doctor 'put you on anti-depressants' saddens me, like it was your GP's choice, not yours.
Anti-depressants do tend to have side effects in the initial stages, some settle down, some are intolerable, some suit some people and not others.
I don't think any of this is explained very well, nor are your options.
I've also found doctors are very knowledgeable about pharmaceuticals, pharmacists aren't very knowledgeable about medical issues and there's little communication between the two.
Neither appear very interested in listening to the individual needs of the person taking the medications.
hi Jac....just my own....feeling...about them.Anti-depressants do tend to have side effects in the initial stages, some settle down, some are intolerable, some suit some people and not others.
I don't think any of this is explained very well, nor are your options.
I've also found doctors are very knowledgeable about pharmaceuticals, pharmacists aren't very knowledgeable about medical issues and there's little communication between the two.
Neither appear very interested in listening to the individual needs of the person taking the medications.
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jac_the_gripper: I only got about 10 minutes into the video before losing patience as well, Gra.
I agree with Postneoludite that it's poorly presented, disconnected and not factual as you claim. Not that I think scientific methodology is the be all and end all, nor that narrative is invalid as a form of exploration and research, just that this presentation was insufficient.
However, I agree with you that some SSRI's do seem to increase suicidal ideation, particularly in the early weeks when someone is perhaps most vulnerable, and are therefore unsuitable for some (or perhaps most) people.
I agree that the early stages require greater monitoring than currently offered and in an ideal world intense support is preferable to taking SSRI's. The reality however, is that the resources are not currently available to do this and people need to be able to function in order to hold down employment, etc.
If I had it my way, we'd all be living a much more natural lifestyle in tune with ourselves and our environments. I really don't think the 24/7, capitalist, polluted context of our lives is conducive to good emotional, physical and spiritual health. I strongly suspect anti-depressants are a means for many of surviving the lifestyle which is pretty much forced upon us in this dysfunctional world we find ourselves living in.
Having said that, in the current circumstances, I have to agree with Unloaised, anti-depressants are saving lives. Whatever the draw backs of SSRI's, however much I would like to change how things are done, it's going to be a slow process if it happens at all and I find it difficult to deny people a means of survival.
Perhaps the first step might be having the opportunity to develop a relationship with a GP, rather than seeing a different locum every time a visit to the doctor is required. Research into talking therapies suggests the relational depth between the facilitator and client is more salient in terms of emotional health and progress than the genre of therapy, or any other factor.
I also think it's about time the power imbalance between doctors (who are traditionally viewed as 'knowing best') and the 'patient' (it should be 'client') is less skewed. People need way more information and control over their health choices, particularly as depression is so often triggered by feelings of lack of control.
I'm not sure advocating the cessation of SSRI use is functional. I'd rather see the emphasis on improving services and support with a view to anti-depressant use declining as a result. I think we need to focus on replacing, rather than taking away.
I agree with Postneoludite that it's poorly presented, disconnected and not factual as you claim. Not that I think scientific methodology is the be all and end all, nor that narrative is invalid as a form of exploration and research, just that this presentation was insufficient.
However, I agree with you that some SSRI's do seem to increase suicidal ideation, particularly in the early weeks when someone is perhaps most vulnerable, and are therefore unsuitable for some (or perhaps most) people.
I agree that the early stages require greater monitoring than currently offered and in an ideal world intense support is preferable to taking SSRI's. The reality however, is that the resources are not currently available to do this and people need to be able to function in order to hold down employment, etc.
If I had it my way, we'd all be living a much more natural lifestyle in tune with ourselves and our environments. I really don't think the 24/7, capitalist, polluted context of our lives is conducive to good emotional, physical and spiritual health. I strongly suspect anti-depressants are a means for many of surviving the lifestyle which is pretty much forced upon us in this dysfunctional world we find ourselves living in.
Having said that, in the current circumstances, I have to agree with Unloaised, anti-depressants are saving lives. Whatever the draw backs of SSRI's, however much I would like to change how things are done, it's going to be a slow process if it happens at all and I find it difficult to deny people a means of survival.
Perhaps the first step might be having the opportunity to develop a relationship with a GP, rather than seeing a different locum every time a visit to the doctor is required. Research into talking therapies suggests the relational depth between the facilitator and client is more salient in terms of emotional health and progress than the genre of therapy, or any other factor.
I also think it's about time the power imbalance between doctors (who are traditionally viewed as 'knowing best') and the 'patient' (it should be 'client') is less skewed. People need way more information and control over their health choices, particularly as depression is so often triggered by feelings of lack of control.
I'm not sure advocating the cessation of SSRI use is functional. I'd rather see the emphasis on improving services and support with a view to anti-depressant use declining as a result. I think we need to focus on replacing, rather than taking away.
Yes I agree Jac, SSRI's do help some people, maybe without them their illness could have deepened and become more prolonged.
The problem is, for some people these drugs are counter productive at best, and downright dangerous at worst.
Monitoring people on SSRI's is a must, but most GP's are just not sufficiently qualified in this field and the resources are just not there to meet the demand.
So what is the answer? Maybe more emphasis could be placed on alternative methods such as mindfulness counselling which is having amazing results for people suffering depression. GP's are just too quick in handing out prescriptions, especially for anti depressants, in fact the last GP I spoke to had never heard of mindfulness counselling and had no idea of what it was, which I found astonishing.
An interesting video on a lecture given about mindfulness.
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in feb 2015...had i of known i was saved the holiday would had of started much earlier...
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stringman: it's called dumbing down America.
I hear the arguments, and my comment is still that there are many, many things that are legal that aren't at all good for you. Marijuana wrecks sharpness. It causes and/or promotes laziness. Not good.------ This thread is Archived ------
bodleing2: Yes I agree Jac, SSRI's do help some people, maybe without them their illness could have deepened and become more prolonged.
The problem is, for some people these drugs are counter productive at best, and downright dangerous at worst.
Monitoring people on SSRI's is a must, but most GP's are just not sufficiently qualified in this field and the resources are just not there to meet the demand.
So what is the answer? Maybe more emphasis could be placed on alternative methods such as mindfulness counselling which is having amazing results for people suffering depression. GP's are just too quick in handing out prescriptions, especially for anti depressants, in fact the last GP I spoke to had never heard of mindfulness counselling and had no idea of what it was, which I found astonishing.
An interesting video on a lecture given about mindfulness.
The problem is, for some people these drugs are counter productive at best, and downright dangerous at worst.
Monitoring people on SSRI's is a must, but most GP's are just not sufficiently qualified in this field and the resources are just not there to meet the demand.
So what is the answer? Maybe more emphasis could be placed on alternative methods such as mindfulness counselling which is having amazing results for people suffering depression. GP's are just too quick in handing out prescriptions, especially for anti depressants, in fact the last GP I spoke to had never heard of mindfulness counselling and had no idea of what it was, which I found astonishing.
An interesting video on a lecture given about mindfulness.
Now you're making sense.
Why did you start with the crap?
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I think we travel down the path after a red herring when we debate the health safety and uses of marijuana - for just like alcohol there was the people on both sides advocating for its use. Wine for example has been touted in moderation as a good for the heart.
So perhaps the fairness or unfairness about the legalization of marijuana should be addressed as a matter of consistent policy throughout USA rather than piecemeal and state specific, and the ramifications from having each State willynilly set their own laws.
oh wait! that is exactly what the states here do - in immigration, education, marriage, labor rules, law and order..... until the whole of the USA and congress has the debate it is going to be a mixed up hodgepodge of individual policies and it slowly becomes united....So the question should not be is it healthy, safe, or useful but rather like any substance how should it be regulated and consistent.
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Friskyone: In the U.S. 23 states have legalized marijuana. In your opinion, would it be fair for someone living in one of those states to be fired from their job for smoking it? Why or why not?
If in a work place smoking Cannabis is banned (eventhough it could be legal in that state) then there must reasons for it and people’s work contract specify the rules to follow.
It is neither fair nor unfair, it is to follow the rules or not and accept the consequences.
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rohaan: I hear the arguments, and my comment is still that there are many, many things that are legal that aren't at all good for you. Marijuana wrecks sharpness It causes and/or promotes laziness. Not good.
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lifeisadream: If in a work place smoking Cannabis is banned (eventhough it could be legal in that state) then there must reasons for it and people’s work contract specify the rules to follow.
It is neither fair nor unfair, it is to follow the rules or not and accept the consequences.
I agree.It is neither fair nor unfair, it is to follow the rules or not and accept the consequences.
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lifeisadream: If in a work place smoking Cannabis is banned (eventhough it could be legal in that state) then there must reasons for it and people’s work contract specify the rules to follow.
It is neither fair nor unfair, it is to follow the rules or not and accept the consequences.
This makes very good sense. Thanks for posting. It is neither fair nor unfair, it is to follow the rules or not and accept the consequences.
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