ALL AMERICANS MICROCHIPPED BY 2017 ,, ARE YOU READY ? (153)
Ocee102: What if it put an end to child abduction?
seem to remember one mustachioed Fellow claiming,"Der Zweck Heiligt Die Mittel"!
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Ocee102: What if it put an end to child abduction?
Ocee102 , you hit a good argument, but then does the percentage of abducted kids would justify the tracking of the entire humanity? Procedures are already implemented and actions taken at a right time, gives possitive results ,, thanks though for your participation.
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jac_the_gripper: Then it would be worth considering.
What if that argument was used as a fear tactic and a tool of manipulation in order to persuade people to chip their kids for other ends?
What if would-be child abductors get wise and kill children quickly, or just concentrate on abusing their own?
What if that argument was used as a fear tactic and a tool of manipulation in order to persuade people to chip their kids for other ends?
What if would-be child abductors get wise and kill children quickly, or just concentrate on abusing their own?
jac the gripper ,, yes, if they are capable of abuducting then killing is possible, or worse, they can localize the implantation and simply remove it,, chips detector ? then it's gain a commerce/market ,, hu !!
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Lolette: jac the gripper ,, yes, if they are capable of abuducting then killing is possible, or worse, they can localize the implantation and simply remove it,, chips detector ? then it's gain a commerce/market ,, hu !!
Good point.
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Conrad73: seem to remember one mustachioed Fellow claiming,"Der Zweck Heiligt Die Mittel"!
no, it doesn't justify !!!
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jac_the_gripper: Then it would be worth considering.
What if that argument was used as a fear tactic and a tool of manipulation in order to persuade people to chip their kids for other ends?
What if would-be child abductors get wise and kill children quickly, or just concentrate on abusing their own?
What if that argument was used as a fear tactic and a tool of manipulation in order to persuade people to chip their kids for other ends?
What if would-be child abductors get wise and kill children quickly, or just concentrate on abusing their own?
I was looking at it from the perspective of how we could get people to accept the practice.
(that's not to imply I think it's a good idea, I'm still thinking on that)
The tech with be corrupted for other uses. At least some of them unwelcome/nefarious, but I don't think people will reject the idea forever. It's just a matter of figuring out the right bait.
The goal being normalization. The trick is getting people to go first.
The early adopters accept them as anti theft devices for therir children. Say 10% do that. Now imgaine someone's kid go's missing, that doesn't have the chip. We have the ensuing media buzz, the dialogues going to be..."If the parent's had been "good" parents the child would have a chip, and we'd just go pick them up.
That's your tipping point...that's when creep will set in. More and more people will adopt the tech. It will sell itself.(with a little media help)
"What if would-be child abductors...just concentrate on abusing their own?"
What if they're also systems monitors. I'm thinking of the trend in wearable health/activity monitors. What if they record and upload stress responses acting a an automatic third party notifier.
Who wouldn't want that for their child?
Now we have complete normalisation.
Because non-participation will become cause for suspicion.
The tech to do that stuff, likely already exists.
If not, it can't be more that ten year's out.
"What if would-be child abductors get wise and kill children quickly..."
That's a very valid concern. I think it would happen, yes.
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jac_the_gripper: Good point.
thanks jac the gripper ,,,
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Surely the will be ways to cheat it.
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Ocee102: I was looking at it from the perspective of how we could get people to accept the practice.
(that's not to imply I think it's a good idea, I'm still thinking on that)
The tech with be corrupted for other uses. At least some of them unwelcome/nefarious, but I don't think people will reject the idea forever. It's just a matter of figuring out the right bait.
The goal being normalization. The trick is getting people to go first.
The early adopters accept them as anti theft devices for therir children. Say 10% do that. Now imgaine someone's kid go's missing, that doesn't have the chip. We have the ensuing media buzz, the dialogues going to be..."If the parent's had been "good" parents the child would have a chip, and we'd just go pick them up.
That's your tipping point...that's when creep will set in. More and more people will adopt the tech. It will sell itself.(with a little media help)
"What if would-be child abductors...just concentrate on abusing their own?"
What if they're also systems monitors. I'm thinking of the trend in wearable health/activity monitors. What if they record and upload stress responses acting a an automatic third party notifier.
Who wouldn't want that for their child?
Now we have complete normalisation.
Because non-participation will become cause for suspicion.The tech to do that stuff, likely already exists.
If not, it can't be more that ten year's out."What if would-be child abductors get wise and kill children quickly..."
That's a very valid concern. I think it would happen, yes.
(that's not to imply I think it's a good idea, I'm still thinking on that)
The tech with be corrupted for other uses. At least some of them unwelcome/nefarious, but I don't think people will reject the idea forever. It's just a matter of figuring out the right bait.
The goal being normalization. The trick is getting people to go first.
The early adopters accept them as anti theft devices for therir children. Say 10% do that. Now imgaine someone's kid go's missing, that doesn't have the chip. We have the ensuing media buzz, the dialogues going to be..."If the parent's had been "good" parents the child would have a chip, and we'd just go pick them up.
That's your tipping point...that's when creep will set in. More and more people will adopt the tech. It will sell itself.(with a little media help)
"What if would-be child abductors...just concentrate on abusing their own?"
What if they're also systems monitors. I'm thinking of the trend in wearable health/activity monitors. What if they record and upload stress responses acting a an automatic third party notifier.
Who wouldn't want that for their child?
Now we have complete normalisation.
Because non-participation will become cause for suspicion.The tech to do that stuff, likely already exists.
If not, it can't be more that ten year's out."What if would-be child abductors get wise and kill children quickly..."
That's a very valid concern. I think it would happen, yes.
,, Ocee 102 ,,, thanks for your contribution,,
So many what ifs indeed, it's for this reason, we can find some valid documentary videos relative to this which studies and findings are not negligible. The fact that a lot of questions and doubts arises ,that could mean that a lot out there are not really convinced and felt cheated for it's purpose. We just hope that those who have already enough riches and powers wouldn't go into the extent of treating all the humanity as low as they think.
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How about basic vital functioning tracking, and emergency services notification?
Breathing stops in the night? Falls out the bedroom window unnoticed?
Is in a car accident and the adult's killed?
Smart TV's with voice activation are recording room audio constantly.
Samsung's TOS makes legal claim to ownership of those recording.
We know onstar's microphone get's turned on my law enforcement agencies to eavesdrop.
Almost no one physically obstructs the web cam on their laptop.
Cellphones used to record you, and your location?
We're already trading privacy for services all the time.
Chips will break through. By next year?
I doubt it, but eventually I think so.
Breathing stops in the night? Falls out the bedroom window unnoticed?
Is in a car accident and the adult's killed?
Smart TV's with voice activation are recording room audio constantly.
Samsung's TOS makes legal claim to ownership of those recording.
We know onstar's microphone get's turned on my law enforcement agencies to eavesdrop.
Almost no one physically obstructs the web cam on their laptop.
Cellphones used to record you, and your location?
We're already trading privacy for services all the time.
Chips will break through. By next year?
I doubt it, but eventually I think so.
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Ocee102: How about basic vital functioning tracking, and emergency services notification?
Breathing stops in the night? Falls out the bedroom window unnoticed?
Is in a car accident and the adult's killed?Smart TV's with voice activation are recording room audio constantly.
Samsung's TOS makes legal claim to ownership of those recording.
We know onstar's microphone get's turned on my law enforcement agencies to eavesdrop.
Almost no one physically obstructs the web cam on their laptop.
Cellphones used to record you, and your location?We're already trading privacy for services all the time.
Chips will break through. By next year?
I doubt it, but eventually I think so.
Breathing stops in the night? Falls out the bedroom window unnoticed?
Is in a car accident and the adult's killed?Smart TV's with voice activation are recording room audio constantly.
Samsung's TOS makes legal claim to ownership of those recording.
We know onstar's microphone get's turned on my law enforcement agencies to eavesdrop.
Almost no one physically obstructs the web cam on their laptop.
Cellphones used to record you, and your location?We're already trading privacy for services all the time.
Chips will break through. By next year?
I doubt it, but eventually I think so.
Ocee 102,,, yes i know we are already spreading our privacy, in social links without really going into trade, figuratively speaking.
Well anyway we are more or less 70 billions in the planet now, if they could arrive to chip the entire humanity, then that's a big sum, with China alone,, huge bulk in perspective, but does it really serve the purpose? & does it guarantee a better life for everyone?
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I posted this OP with my old profile name, and brought it out as i see
the attitude has progressed regarding this microchipping in humans, some employers in SWEDEN had microchipped their employees, absent of these chips could refrain the employees from utilizing canteens, xerox machines and other facilities,,
it's just as tiny as a grain of rice,, but it facilitates a lot of things like opening the doors,, but mostly for respective medical history,, the rest ? ,, a lot more ,,, for me, i feel not ready yet !!! and you UEROPEANS ???
the attitude has progressed regarding this microchipping in humans, some employers in SWEDEN had microchipped their employees, absent of these chips could refrain the employees from utilizing canteens, xerox machines and other facilities,,
it's just as tiny as a grain of rice,, but it facilitates a lot of things like opening the doors,, but mostly for respective medical history,, the rest ? ,, a lot more ,,,
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Concluding results from studies conducted on microchips,, caused cancer on animals , dogs,, cats ,, and for humans???
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What About Microchips Proposed for People?
As mentioned previously, subdermal microchips are being developed for numerous human uses, ranging from keeping tabs on your kids to implantable credit and debit cards, allowing customers to make purchases by scanning themselves with special readers at store checkouts. Many of these chips, such as one variety that grants people VIP access at nightclubs, are already in use.
One such brand, VeriChip, is even developing implantable virus detection systems for humans.
These biosensors can allegedly detect viruses such as swine flu, bird flu, SARS, and other biological threats such as methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). The technology will be combined with VeriChip's implantable radio frequency identification devices (RFID) to develop "virus triage detection systems."
According to a white paper published by VeriChip on May 7, 2009, this triage system will provide "multiple levels of identification." The first level will identify the agent as virus or non-virus, the second level will classify the virus and alert the user to the presence of pandemic threat viruses, and the third level will identify the precise pathogen.
To some this may sound like a good idea, but to me this seems like it could be a prescription for massive government intrusion, loss of personal freedom and, as in other animals, potentially increased cancer risks.
As Dr. Robert Benezra, head of the Cancer Biology Genetics Program at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, said in Dr. Albrecht's paper:
"There's no way in the world, having read this information, that I would have one of those chips implanted in my skin, or in one of my family members … Given the preliminary animal data, it looks to me that there's definitely cause for concern."
Dr. George Demetri, director of the Center for Sarcoma and Bone Oncology at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston, further noted, also in Dr. Albrecht's paper, that research underscored "certainly real risks" in RFID implants, adding that the tumors can be "incredibly aggressive and can kill people in three to six months
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What About Microchips Proposed for People?
As mentioned previously, subdermal microchips are being developed for numerous human uses, ranging from keeping tabs on your kids to implantable credit and debit cards, allowing customers to make purchases by scanning themselves with special readers at store checkouts. Many of these chips, such as one variety that grants people VIP access at nightclubs, are already in use.
One such brand, VeriChip, is even developing implantable virus detection systems for humans.
These biosensors can allegedly detect viruses such as swine flu, bird flu, SARS, and other biological threats such as methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). The technology will be combined with VeriChip's implantable radio frequency identification devices (RFID) to develop "virus triage detection systems."
According to a white paper published by VeriChip on May 7, 2009, this triage system will provide "multiple levels of identification." The first level will identify the agent as virus or non-virus, the second level will classify the virus and alert the user to the presence of pandemic threat viruses, and the third level will identify the precise pathogen.
To some this may sound like a good idea, but to me this seems like it could be a prescription for massive government intrusion, loss of personal freedom and, as in other animals, potentially increased cancer risks.
As Dr. Robert Benezra, head of the Cancer Biology Genetics Program at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, said in Dr. Albrecht's paper:
"There's no way in the world, having read this information, that I would have one of those chips implanted in my skin, or in one of my family members … Given the preliminary animal data, it looks to me that there's definitely cause for concern."
Dr. George Demetri, director of the Center for Sarcoma and Bone Oncology at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston, further noted, also in Dr. Albrecht's paper, that research underscored "certainly real risks" in RFID implants, adding that the tumors can be "incredibly aggressive and can kill people in three to six months
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and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.revelation:13:17
And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” revelation 14:11
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So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.
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stringman: and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.revelation:13:17And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” revelation
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String,,
What if we microchip those immigrants,, legal from illegal ,, that's a big market ? isn't it,,
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stringman: So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.
Germans don't worship your God,,
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Babettefr: Germans don't worship your God,,
whoever takes the mark of the beast.
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stringman: whoever takes the mark of the beast.
There are programs available now that can detect where any phone is within a few feet, so if you want to keep an eye on someone you can.
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Ocee102 ,,, you hit a good argument , but does the percentage of lost
kids justify the microchipping of the entire humanity? there are already measures and procedures that tracked those abductors that resulted possitive results,,