ALL AMERICANS MICROCHIPPED BY 2017 ,, ARE YOU READY ? (153)
JeanKimberleyMiami, Florida USA16 Threads 3 Polls 7,499 PostsSCB1076: You're right, Jean. I didn't think about that. This whole microchipping thing has quite a few places where it could fail grandly. And even if all else worked as intended, how would you hope to deal with the huge amount of ancillary data that goes along with the target? It would be a giant mess and a waste of taxpayers' hard-earned money. As I said earlier, all the various alphabet spy agencies can find me just fine without putting a damn chip in me.
and who says it will be the government? 
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True, the system isn't ready for the masses to be chipped. Might be sometime from now. Hell, in this country 3.600 cats and dogs are euthanized annually and the state of Utah can't find a way to put one death-row inmate to sleep. 
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lindsyjones: Easy solution. Battery capability is very infinite right now, remember the old cell battery? What a joke for one hour used. Now they last a whole day. Imagine if it is fail proof now? And it will be.
Lindsy, I understand your concern, but no technology is ever foolproof. No matter how hard we may try, our machines will never be perfect. WE are not perfect. The only one I know who is perfect is God, our Creator and Holy Father. As for your comment about cellphone battery life, I did not have a phone until around 2004-2005 and cellular devices existed long before then. And I didn't have my own computer until I literally had a job back in 2007-2009. I know more about tech than the rest of my family. I read Popular Science magazine and a fair helping of my knowledge is derived from there. I also listen to talk radio. So I have a pretty good idea what's being talked about here. Again, let me reinforce the idea here. NO technology that we can or will ever make will be foolproof. If for no other reason than the fact that someone WILL figure out how to hack into or break it. DVD copy protection has not yet nor ever will stop video and music piracy. Someone WILL figure out a way to break into and undermine the integrity of even the chips you are worried about. Think of all of the data breaches that keep happening each and every day. The tech WILL be broken and it WILL fail. And it will NOT take a long time to accomplish.
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lindsyjones: This goes to show you that there are some activities that you can't accept in your mind Jac. I say this with due respect to your oppositions and opinions based on old laws. Now if you read Google and you look at the activities of my country you can imagine your ignorance on so many things.
Per your knowledge, you are saying that it is impossible? Well if you were reading all these articles 25 years ago, you would have known before even the government knew that it was released selectively for people who knew where to get the information.But you depend on current information available in your hands. This isn't new to us here in my country. If you go and read my blog specifically about it published in January, so many documents have been released based on the extent of reality that is going on.
Like I said, you may not even know but for as long as you own a cell phone, radio or anything that uses radio waves, you are monitored. They will see you undress, know what is in your house, and etc. You don't want to accept it because of some old laws..be my guest. Grow up will you?
Per your knowledge, you are saying that it is impossible? Well if you were reading all these articles 25 years ago, you would have known before even the government knew that it was released selectively for people who knew where to get the information.But you depend on current information available in your hands. This isn't new to us here in my country. If you go and read my blog specifically about it published in January, so many documents have been released based on the extent of reality that is going on.
Like I said, you may not even know but for as long as you own a cell phone, radio or anything that uses radio waves, you are monitored. They will see you undress, know what is in your house, and etc. You don't want to accept it because of some old laws..be my guest. Grow up will you?
I realise it's difficult when English is not your mother tongue, but you missed the point of my post.
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so you are all going to give in to this chip and be controlled, every move you make they will know about. taking away your freedom.
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jac_the_gripper: I realise it's difficult when English is not your mother tongue, but you missed the point of my post.
It's funny how all my writes are the most participated on and all you can say is I miss your point?
I believe I can present my thesis far more readable than yours but I have seen your point, aren't you questioning how it is so?
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lindsyjones: It's funny how all my writes are the most participated on and all you can say is I miss your point?
I believe I can present my thesis far more readable than yours but I have seen your point, aren't you questioning how it is so?
I believe I can present my thesis far more readable than yours but I have seen your point, aren't you questioning how it is so?
And if everyone misunderstands all my statements because of my lack of english language literacy or ability, may I remind you that I was accepted at the Colleges of your country? How can it be? Or yo are telling me that your brain is below the level of understanding mine?
What a lame you are, but you are now again directing my deficiency on thye account of your ignorance?
Answer per the substance, what did I misunderstood? And the response of Lolette?
You are always directing your animosity towards me Jac, but it doesn't work. Support your claim will you?
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lindsyjones: And if everyone misunderstands all my statements because of my lack of english language literacy or ability, may I remind you that I was accepted at the Colleges of your country? How can it be? Or yo are telling me that your brain is below the level of understanding mine?
What a lame you are, but you are now again directing my deficiency on thye account of your ignorance?
Answer per the substance, what did I misunderstood? And the response of Lolette?
You are always directing your animosity towards me Jac, but it doesn't work. Support your claim will you?
What a lame you are, but you are now again directing my deficiency on thye account of your ignorance?
Answer per the substance, what did I misunderstood? And the response of Lolette?
You are always directing your animosity towards me Jac, but it doesn't work. Support your claim will you?
Should have been "what did I misunderstand?"
Explain your situation will you?
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stringman: so you are all going to give in to this chip and be controlled, every move you make they will know about. taking away your freedom.
No, sir. I intend to fend off the dreaded chip if I can. Unlike many, I actually value my freedom. And it bothers me to think that there are people out there who want to take it away. No man, I not giving in. Not at all! Don't support the chip or anything like it (i.e. "net neutrality").
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lindsyjones: I am sorry to disappoint you Brannigan, but your cost and or sacrifice is the least the authority cares or gives a damn, as long as their operations succeed for the greater view.
Oh I do realise only too well that the powers that be are severely constipated in that respect . Maybe I'll have the luxury of being daisy fodder by that time
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stringman: so you are all going to give in to this chip and be controlled, every move you make they will know about. taking away your freedom.
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stringman ,, thanks for sharing your time & opinion.
For my part NO !! for whatever purpose i think it's not justifiable.
The world existed long time ago without chips and it was not disagreable as it is now that we are experiencing. Progress and evolution is important as long as we don't cross the line of acceptable limit and respect of human values. I strongly believe that an informed mind is better prepared to react accordingly. have a nice day ,,
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SCB1076: No, sir. I intend to fend off the dreaded chip if I can. Unlike many, I actually value my freedom. And it bothers me to think that there are people out there who want to take it away. No man, I not giving in. Not at all! Don't support the chip or anything like it (i.e. "net neutrality").
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I look forward to being microchipped, providing it can't be used for monetary purposes or to physically control and harm us like the one used in H.G. Wells novel, The Island of Doctor Moreau.
I can see the good medical benefits from having one and its numerous sensors. For instance, You wouldn't need an Apple iWatch to feed vital health (temperature, pulse, heart rate, respiration, lung condition etc) info to your cell phone or computer. And, since it could detect motion. position, rate of change at an elderly age... It could possibly notify medics that you've fallen and can't get up. It could also inform other unsuspecting elevator occupants of eminent silent and deadly farts.
I can see the good medical benefits from having one and its numerous sensors. For instance, You wouldn't need an Apple iWatch to feed vital health (temperature, pulse, heart rate, respiration, lung condition etc) info to your cell phone or computer. And, since it could detect motion. position, rate of change at an elderly age... It could possibly notify medics that you've fallen and can't get up. It could also inform other unsuspecting elevator occupants of eminent silent and deadly farts.
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I think that microchipping may be a useful tool for criminals with extensive criminal backgrounds but really can't see it happening for the general population.(at least anytime soon). That would take away ones right to privacy and as well the cost would be far too great. A dead horse much like the gun registry here in Canada. 
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Lolette: Brannigan70 ,, hi to you ,,
Ha ha,, those fish chips sounds great ,,
But choose well those fishes that are not chipped,, or you might end up with a double chips ,, lol ,,
Basically/seriously i do hope that certain bright guys would not go to this extent. Anyway,, it's not my country that offer graciously our buttocks ,, old continent !!!
Fish 'n chips for two then ? Ha ha,, those fish chips sounds great ,,
But choose well those fishes that are not chipped,, or you might end up with a double chips ,, lol ,,
Basically/seriously i do hope that certain bright guys would not go to this extent. Anyway,, it's not my country that offer graciously our buttocks ,, old continent !!!
Absolutely , let's hope that common sense prevails
Welcome to the forums
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SCB1076: Lindsy, I understand your concern, but no technology is ever foolproof. No matter how hard we may try, our machines will never be perfect. WE are not perfect. The only one I know who is perfect is God, our Creator and Holy Father. As for your comment about cellphone battery life, I did not have a phone until around 2004-2005 and cellular devices existed long before then. And I didn't have my own computer until I literally had a job back in 2007-2009. I know more about tech than the rest of my family. I read Popular Science magazine and a fair helping of my knowledge is derived from there. I also listen to talk radio. So I have a pretty good idea what's being talked about here. Again, let me reinforce the idea here. NO technology that we can or will ever make will be foolproof. If for no other reason than the fact that someone WILL figure out how to hack into or break it. DVD copy protection has not yet nor ever will stop video and music piracy. Someone WILL figure out a way to break into and undermine the integrity of even the chips you are worried about. Think of all of the data breaches that keep happening each and every day. The tech WILL be broken and it WILL fail. And it will NOT take a long time to accomplish.
On the contrary S, the precision of our technology now is to beyond question.
Have you read about RB Virgin Galactic? Yes of course, no one is perfect, there will always be failure and percentage of imperfection as you said, only God is perfect.
But the progress of those capabilities are astronomical.
Imagine a car driving on its own, now?
Inconceivable 35 years ago?
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Lolette: Recently,, NBC carried out this sort of prediction or let's call it initial brain storming about the implantation of microchips in all americans, and the same issue is being discussed likewise in Europe.
It seems, in Europe, babies born from December 2016 will be microchipped.
Mothers and would be mothers are already on thier cry out and ready to boycott hospitals and maternity in ever this measure will be carried out.
For medical files, i think it's can be discussed ,, by law enforcers, might be too ? SPIES & DETECTIVES out of the view ?
Well, predictions happened ,, all these wireless telephones and those airplanes we're part of predictions ,,, GEOLOCALISATION TOTAL , it's connected to a satellite. YOU are concerned.
It seems, in Europe, babies born from December 2016 will be microchipped.
Mothers and would be mothers are already on thier cry out and ready to boycott hospitals and maternity in ever this measure will be carried out.
For medical files, i think it's can be discussed ,, by law enforcers, might be too ? SPIES & DETECTIVES out of the view ?
Well, predictions happened ,, all these wireless telephones and those airplanes we're part of predictions ,,, GEOLOCALISATION TOTAL , it's connected to a satellite. YOU are concerned.
I've not read this particular article, but the issue has been discussed for a number of years now. For medical purposes and "authentication", it will most probably be implemented. The idiots of the world will be told that it's to counter terrorism and lots of reasons will be invented why it's "beneficial" for you. It's not beneficial because medicine hasn't fundamentally changed. The only thing that will be beneficial to the hospital is that they can determine whether you're paid up on your health insurance. I talked with a number of doctors and there seems to be a consensus that health care will have to be rationed. That means: you get treatment if you can pay for it.
I am certain that the rights (human and civil) will be amended/circumvented, just like it has already happened in the US. In the EU, they are already circumvented by means of inter-governmental agreements. I saw one such agreement between Germany and the Netherlands that got out "accidentally". Human rights are sacrificed under the guise of anti-terrorism measures. By the time the people find out about it (if they do), it'll be too late to stop it except through massive pressure and that probably won't happen.
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lindsyjones: On the contrary S, the precision of our technology now is to beyond question.
Have you read about RB Virgin Galactic? Yes of course, no one is perfect, there will always be failure and percentage of imperfection as you said, only God is perfect.
But the progress of those capabilities are astronomical.
Imagine a car driving on its own, now?
Inconceivable 35 years ago?
Have you read about RB Virgin Galactic? Yes of course, no one is perfect, there will always be failure and percentage of imperfection as you said, only God is perfect.
But the progress of those capabilities are astronomical.
Imagine a car driving on its own, now?
Inconceivable 35 years ago?
Yes indeed, you are correct about that. But again, computers, no matter how well designed, eventually crash. Aircraft suffer break-ups and motorists crash cars all the time. GM et al have had NUMEROUS vehicle recalls because of things like faulty ignition switches. I can't help it, that's the way it is. And you are foolish to think that something so complex as a chip database can't somehow fail. It does not have to be due to age or wear and tear. The equipment involved can be purposefully built to self-destruct. This has happened before. Some transistors used in an Army helicopter's fire control system were found to be faulty. I did not make this up, this is a real incident! If the devices had been installed, the weapons it controlled would have malfunctioned, possibly killing innocent bystanders or even friendly aircraft. The degree of power has nothing to do with whether or not it can fail or be sabotaged. To date, our chip fabs and design firms are WOEFULLY INSECURE! Until that problem is put under control, NOBODY should trust technology implicitly. Self-driving cars will have computer problems. It's just the nature of the beast, so to speak. Deal with it! Or go off the grid. The choice is yours.
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lindsyjones: And if everyone misunderstands all my statements because of my lack of english language literacy or ability, may I remind you that I was accepted at the Colleges of your country? How can it be? Or yo are telling me that your brain is below the level of understanding mine?
What a lame you are, but you are now again directing my deficiency on thye account of your ignorance?
Answer per the substance, what did I misunderstood? And the response of Lolette?
You are always directing your animosity towards me Jac, but it doesn't work. Support your claim will you?
What a lame you are, but you are now again directing my deficiency on thye account of your ignorance?
Answer per the substance, what did I misunderstood? And the response of Lolette?
You are always directing your animosity towards me Jac, but it doesn't work. Support your claim will you?
It's interesting that you accuse me of animosity after your accusations of my ignorance, and not only on this thread. Telling someone to 'grow up' for having a different knowledge, opinion, or experience is also interesting.
Lots of people get accepted into British colleges with less than perfect English and most colleges provide support in this area. Given that English is the medium for worldwide publications, even those in a position of university research have their written English proof read, native English speaker, or not. Being accepted into a British college is no proof that we must understand each other's written word.
On topic: On this side of the pond, parental consent is required for medical treatment of a minor. Only in exceptional circumstances is that overridden through legal process, such as a medical team recommending the life support of a child being withdrawn and the parents objecting in their struggle to come to terms with their unimaginable loss.
So, for example, it's a private, familial choice to have your child vaccinated, or not, although parents are encouraged and manipulated to do so. Am I right in understanding that's not the case in the US and that many child vaccinations are compulsory?
If, on this side of the pond we may decide for ourselves about vaccinations, it's unlikely that within nine months it will be compulsory to have a chip implanted into our children. That kind of legal change will take time and would be fought fiercely through the European Court of Human Rights. That's what it's there for - to maintain basic human rights.
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jac_the_gripper: It's interesting that you accuse me of animosity after your accusations of my ignorance, and not only on this thread. Telling someone to 'grow up' for having a different knowledge, opinion, or experience is also interesting.
Lots of people get accepted into British colleges with less than perfect English and most colleges provide support in this area. Given that English is the medium for worldwide publications, even those in a position of university research have their written English proof read, native English speaker, or not. Being accepted into a British college is no proof that we must understand each other's written word.
On topic: On this side of the pond, parental consent is required for medical treatment of a minor. Only in exceptional circumstances is that overridden through legal process, such as a medical team recommending the life support of a child being withdrawn and the parents objecting in their struggle to come to terms with their unimaginable loss.
So, for example, it's a private, familial choice to have your child vaccinated, or not, although parents are encouraged and manipulated to do so. Am I right in understanding that's not the case in the US and that many child vaccinations are compulsory?
If, on this side of the pond we may decide for ourselves about vaccinations, it's unlikely that within nine months it will be compulsory to have a chip implanted into our children. That kind of legal change will take time and would be fought fiercely through the European Court of Human Rights. That's what it's there for - to maintain basic human rights.
Lots of people get accepted into British colleges with less than perfect English and most colleges provide support in this area. Given that English is the medium for worldwide publications, even those in a position of university research have their written English proof read, native English speaker, or not. Being accepted into a British college is no proof that we must understand each other's written word.
On topic: On this side of the pond, parental consent is required for medical treatment of a minor. Only in exceptional circumstances is that overridden through legal process, such as a medical team recommending the life support of a child being withdrawn and the parents objecting in their struggle to come to terms with their unimaginable loss.
So, for example, it's a private, familial choice to have your child vaccinated, or not, although parents are encouraged and manipulated to do so. Am I right in understanding that's not the case in the US and that many child vaccinations are compulsory?
If, on this side of the pond we may decide for ourselves about vaccinations, it's unlikely that within nine months it will be compulsory to have a chip implanted into our children. That kind of legal change will take time and would be fought fiercely through the European Court of Human Rights. That's what it's there for - to maintain basic human rights.
For your information, all of the participants on my writes here including but not limited to so many english people from your country, NOT ONE IS ACCUSING ME OF MY POOR USE OR UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR SUPERIOR ENGLISH LANGUAGE? Only you? How is that, and you accuse me of not understanding your point?
So let me see, has anyone ever argued with your opinion? What about those lengthy discussion where you impose your thinking without giving any merits to substantial documents presented? Do you want me to enumerate all those previous arguments to our fellow bloggers on here? And you use my missing your point because I am not born of your language? I have lived in my country for more than 40 years, and married to born American Irish, communicated with millions of people, you are the only one who accuses me of not being able to get your point because I am not born English?
How childish is that? Have you seen all my writes? If people didn't understand my presentation all of which in English, why so then that it is most participated in?
Can you tell me that?
Now on the substance of the topic. Your reasoning is taboo. Whatever the government wants, IT WILL HAPPEN.
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