Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (14)
This is happening all the time.
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tomcatwarne: This is happening all the time.
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tomcatwarne: This is happening all the time.
Tomcat, I find little connection between your fictional advertising video and the real world scenario of a rebel commander mistaking (or not caring) a scheduled, unarmed, passenger airliner for a hostile military aircraft simply because they would both be planes.
The Russian connection of course is those missiles don't launch or fly blind without telemetry data. There was a ground based radar unit relaying flight correction data to them. Best evidence is the unit doing so was Russian Army unit inside Russia's borders. That is the part Putin denies.
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Ken_19: Tomcat, I find little connection between your fictional advertising video and the real world scenario of a rebel commander mistaking (or not caring) a scheduled, unarmed, passenger airliner for a hostile military aircraft simply because they would both be planes.
The Russian connection of course is those missiles don't launch or fly blind without telemetry data. There was a ground based radar unit relaying flight correction data to them. Best evidence is the unit doing so was Russian Army unit inside Russia's borders. That is the part Putin denies.
Quote from wiki ......and its designers, including its chief designer Ardalion Rastov, visited Egypt in 1971 to see Kub in operation. Both the Kub and Buk used self-propelled launchers developed by Ardalion Rastov. As a result of this visit, the developers came to the conclusion that each Buk transporter erector launcher (TEL) should have its own fire control radar, rather than being reliant on one central radar for the whole system as in Kub. The result of this move from TEL to transporter erector launcher and radar (TELAR) was a system able to shoot at multiple targets from multiple directions at the same time...... guessing they would have implemented onboard or mobile close control by now The Russian connection of course is those missiles don't launch or fly blind without telemetry data. There was a ground based radar unit relaying flight correction data to them. Best evidence is the unit doing so was Russian Army unit inside Russia's borders. That is the part Putin denies.
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Your radar HAS to be remote. Doing otherwise is suicidal. HARM missiles LOVE active radars.
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Ken_19: Your radar HAS to be remote. Doing otherwise is suicidal. HARM missiles LOVE active radars.
have you read the account of how a Serb shot down a US plane ? careful use of a radar's off and on switch . There is also an account of how an Iraq plane was shot down by one of the arab allies during the first '91 , ground based radar destroyed left the Iraq plane blind . You will notice in the link Russians planes are fitted with their own radars . Safety in numbers came with miniaturization thanks to modern computers . With a strike rate of 90-95 % per missile there would be a lot of near death experiences knocking out radars .------ This thread is Archived ------
galrads: Did the Russians, inside Ukraine territory, take down MH17? I want to believe the Dutch investigation report is spot on. Is this report accurate?
"Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko commented Tuesday on the results of the investigation."
"The missile was launched from the territory occupied by Russians," Poroshenko alleged in a quote posted to his official website. "Dutch investigators cannot reveal the surnames of criminals. It should be done by the international tribunal."
"Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko commented Tuesday on the results of the investigation."
"The missile was launched from the territory occupied by Russians," Poroshenko alleged in a quote posted to his official website. "Dutch investigators cannot reveal the surnames of criminals. It should be done by the international tribunal."
MH17: Russia says committed to work with Malaysia to catch culprits
MH17 was redirected outside the safe international airline corridor by West Ukraine Air controller while it was still in Polish airspace, MH17 was directed to fly 300km outside the corridor, and in respect to the news item above i say not long after the event a Malaysian Airline executive met with Putin in Moscow.
I think its outrageous politicians in the west including Australia, attempt to grossly mislead the public regarding that aspect of the shooting down of MH17.
I draw you attention to the limited range of that type of missile, which is well short of the distant's from the crash sight, and the safe international corridor.
The plane was directed straight to missile system by there own admission posted by the West Ukraine government,in the form of published photo of the missile system parked by a round-about, and taken three days prior to the shooting down of MH17.
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robplum: MH17: Russia says committed to work with Malaysia to catch culprits
MH17 was redirected outside the safe international airline corridor by West Ukraine Air controller while it was still in Polish airspace, MH17 was directed to fly 300km outside the corridor, and in respect to the news item above i say not long after the event a Malaysian Airline executive met with Putin in Moscow.
I think its outrageous politicians in the west including Australia, attempt to grossly mislead the public regarding that aspect of the shooting down of MH17.
I draw you attention to the limited range of that type of missile, which is well short of the distant's from the crash sight, and the safe international corridor.
The plane was directed straight to missile system by there own admission posted by the West Ukraine government,in the form of published photo of the missile system parked by a round-about, and taken three days prior to the shooting down of MH17.
MH17 was redirected outside the safe international airline corridor by West Ukraine Air controller while it was still in Polish airspace, MH17 was directed to fly 300km outside the corridor, and in respect to the news item above i say not long after the event a Malaysian Airline executive met with Putin in Moscow.
I think its outrageous politicians in the west including Australia, attempt to grossly mislead the public regarding that aspect of the shooting down of MH17.
I draw you attention to the limited range of that type of missile, which is well short of the distant's from the crash sight, and the safe international corridor.
The plane was directed straight to missile system by there own admission posted by the West Ukraine government,in the form of published photo of the missile system parked by a round-about, and taken three days prior to the shooting down of MH17.
Why would these politicians mislead the public about this? They are in office to serve and protect the public......
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galrads: Why would these politicians mislead the public about this? They are in office to serve and protect the public......
Only if they are pro Russian politicians. Robplum has never found fault with anything Putin's Russia has done. Putin walks on water.
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epirb: have you read the account of how a Serb shot down a US plane ? careful use of a radar's off and on switch . There is also an account of how an Iraq plane was shot down by one of the arab allies during the first '91 , ground based radar destroyed left the Iraq plane blind . You will notice in the link Russians planes are fitted with their own radars . Safety in numbers came with miniaturization thanks to modern computers . With a strike rate of 90-95 % per missile there would be a lot of near death experiences knocking out radars .
Most airplanes have radar, but I don't understand the relevance of that since MH 17 was downed by a SAM not a HARM.
There would be a lot of actual deaths too. The SAM radar installations knocked out by the US HARMS in Iraq, and by Israel in their conflicts show that. Being the radar operator at a SAM installation is ultra hazardous duty which is why the offending radar installation for that launch was based inside Russia's borders where the Ukranians couldn't touch it.
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As Civvy Airliners do not carry any IFF, and apart from AL Arkia and Israir don't carry ICM's.
The MH17 downing prompted certain ECM development companies to investigate fitting ECM & jamming device systems to all Civvy aircraft and a recent experiment seems that AESA is way forward.
Four AESA scanners and necessary signal jamming systems were recently fitted to an Airbus 340 recently and coverage was almost 100 percent.
Work continues.
The MH17 downing prompted certain ECM development companies to investigate fitting ECM & jamming device systems to all Civvy aircraft and a recent experiment seems that AESA is way forward.
Four AESA scanners and necessary signal jamming systems were recently fitted to an Airbus 340 recently and coverage was almost 100 percent.
Work continues.
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galrads: Why would these politicians mislead the public about this? They are in office to serve and protect the public......
Why anything, why murder millions of muslim, why murder millions of vietnamese, why murder 62 + million world citizens.
Why do people continually inflict harm upon others, its not just money, why do they continually promote religious wars. We can only ponder why; the one been fought out in that region has been ongoing for over 1300 years.
My guess is ignorance of any meaningful dharma fosters gross dishonesty however that's just one aspect of what makes up those sort of mass murdering activities.
There were 38 Australians on MH17, and the people here in Australia just got to witness bound up in time who promoted lies about what actually occurred. While they are doing that, they are casting dispersion's on our head of state Queen Elizabeth, so i think there are many contaminated thought process associated to the make up of that type of person.
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Ken_19: Most airplanes have radar, but I don't understand the relevance of that since MH 17 was downed by a SAM not a HARM.
There would be a lot of actual deaths too. The SAM radar installations knocked out by the US HARMS in Iraq, and by Israel in their conflicts show that. Being the radar operator at a SAM installation is ultra hazardous duty which is why the offending radar installation for that launch was based inside Russia's borders where the Ukranians couldn't touch it.
I assume you read the link , single radar control systems when destroyed leave a lot of weapon systems blind . That's why they are now with the weapons including early model BUK , multiple radars . Repeated with their aircraft . It would be interesting to see if a corridor could be cut into Russian airspace like was done in Iraq using the same planes against modern Russian gear . If the radar used to nail MH17 was in Russia its not their new sop . There would be a lot of actual deaths too. The SAM radar installations knocked out by the US HARMS in Iraq, and by Israel in their conflicts show that. Being the radar operator at a SAM installation is ultra hazardous duty which is why the offending radar installation for that launch was based inside Russia's borders where the Ukranians couldn't touch it.
You may have read the account of why Egypt lost her tanks after crossing the channel in a brilliant move then moving forward away from SAM cover due to a political order . They did not move up their SAM's before moving their tanks , cost them the war .
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"Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko commented Tuesday on the results of the investigation."
"The missile was launched from the territory occupied by Russians," Poroshenko alleged in a quote posted to his official website. "Dutch investigators cannot reveal the surnames of criminals. It should be done by the international tribunal."