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Nov 12, 2015 9:56 AM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
I don't know if some of you have watched the last debate which was orchestrated by Fox. Maria and the rest did a very splendid job on the questions and moderation.

Anyways, I am so impressed with the way Trump and Cruz addressed the immigration issue. When Cruz said, it is and economic issue (personal) and followed with the impact it does to our country specially in our economy.

I stand with Trump, I don't have anything against coming or going to any country. Just do it legally. Yet it is human nature to better our lives and in desperation, people do anything to have a good life, therefore it is in our policy that accounts our responsibility in protecting our borders. We must not completely blame and rely on the ethics of getting in legally, but must be with high conviction to prosecute and or deport illegals.

My recommendation is BUILD A BORDER that works.

What about you?
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Nov 12, 2015 12:28 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,230 Posts
lindsyjones: I don't know if some of you have watched the last debate which was orchestrated by Fox. Maria and the rest did a very splendid job on the questions and moderation.

Anyways, I am so impressed with the way Trump and Cruz addressed the immigration issue. When Cruz said, it is and economic issue (personal) and followed with the impact it does to our country specially in our economy.

I stand with Trump, I don't have anything against coming or going to any country. Just do it legally. Yet it is human nature to better our lives and in desperation, people do anything to have a good life, therefore it is in our policy that accounts our responsibility in protecting our borders. We must not completely blame and rely on the ethics of getting in legally, but must be with high conviction to prosecute and or deport illegals.

My recommendation is BUILD A BORDER that works.

What about you?



thumbs up People from all over the world come to America and they do it legally. If I was an illegal I would find work, save every dollar I made and then go back to Mexico so that I could apply for citizenship the legal way. I don't know if the cost of filling out paperwork is prohibitive but if they are sincere about wanting to live in America, they need to make an effort to do it properly.

Trump's wall will not keep illegals out. I don't know what the answer is but I think it's going to be something along the lines of giving illegals an option to work with.
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Nov 12, 2015 12:42 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
TheRedSquirrel87
TheRedSquirrel87TheRedSquirrel87Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK1 Threads 1,107 Posts
lindsyjones: I don't know if some of you have watched the last debate which was orchestrated by Fox. Maria and the rest did a very splendid job on the questions and moderation.

Anyways, I am so impressed with the way Trump and Cruz addressed the immigration issue. When Cruz said, it is and economic issue (personal) and followed with the impact it does to our country specially in our economy.

I stand with Trump, I don't have anything against coming or going to any country. Just do it legally. Yet it is human nature to better our lives and in desperation, people do anything to have a good life, therefore it is in our policy that accounts our responsibility in protecting our borders. We must not completely blame and rely on the ethics of getting in legally, but must be with high conviction to prosecute and or deport illegals.

My recommendation is BUILD A BORDER that works.

What about you?


Keeping out illegals should be a given. What's missing is any debate or understanding of what makes an immigrant legal or illegal.

Illegal immigrant? Bad. Legal immigrant? Good. But people don't know the difference so why not call all the illegals legal and end the problem? Or could it be that the desperados, legal or otherwise, are in the whole benefiting no one but themselves and the neo-sweatshops by being in the West?

Oh and Trump's wall would work. Not perfectly - nothing works perfectly - but it's a big deterrent.
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Nov 12, 2015 12:47 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
TheRedSquirrel87
TheRedSquirrel87TheRedSquirrel87Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK1 Threads 1,107 Posts
TheRedSquirrel87: Keeping out illegals should be a given. What's missing is any debate or understanding of what makes an immigrant legal or illegal.

Illegal immigrant? Bad. Legal immigrant? Good. But people don't know the difference so why not call all the illegals legal and end the problem? Or could it be that the desperados, legal or otherwise, are in the whole benefiting no one but themselves and the neo-sweatshops by being in the West?

Oh and Trump's wall would work. Not perfectly - nothing works perfectly - but it's a big deterrent.


And for the next five minutes at most. How much the worse is Mexico when its citizens who could have been brain surgeons are instead washing dishes in Texas? We brain drain the entire world to provide our nations with a surplus of toilet cleaners and liberals have the audacity to consider this noble.
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Nov 12, 2015 1:30 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
secretagent09: People from all over the world come to America and they do it legally. If I was an illegal I would find work, save every dollar I made and then go back to Mexico so that I could apply for citizenship the legal way. I don't know if the cost of filling out paperwork is prohibitive but if they are sincere about wanting to live in America, they need to make an effort to do it properly.

Trump's wall will not keep illegals out. I don't know what the answer is but I think it's going to be something along the lines of giving illegals an option to work with.


Secret that is a good idea. I do feel the need to reinforce legal migration. But the issue that dominated the debate was economic concerns and illegal immigrants do impact our economy very negatively.

What impressed me more is how Cruz reversed the effects if all those coming in are lawyers, etc. But Trump is right, it isn't fair to any country by illegally entering.
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Nov 12, 2015 1:53 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Hi lindsy, Obviously they are both only saying what they think the public wants to hear.
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Nov 12, 2015 2:29 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
TheRedSquirrel87: Keeping out illegals should be a given. What's missing is any debate or understanding of what makes an immigrant legal or illegal.

Illegal immigrant? Bad. Legal immigrant? Good. But people don't know the difference so why not call all the illegals legal and end the problem? Or could it be that the desperados, legal or otherwise, are in the whole benefiting no one but themselves and the neo-sweatshops by being in the West?

Oh and Trump's wall would work. Not perfectly - nothing works perfectly - but it's a big deterrent.


Obs I'll get back with you.

wave
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Nov 12, 2015 7:40 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
hotburninluv
hotburninluvhotburninluvPalm Desert, California USA30 Threads 1 Polls 297 Posts
lindsyjones: I don't know if some of you have watched the last debate which was orchestrated by Fox. Maria and the rest did a very splendid job on the questions and moderation.

Anyways, I am so impressed with the way Trump and Cruz addressed the immigration issue. When Cruz said, it is and economic issue (personal) and followed with the impact it does to our country specially in our economy.

I stand with Trump, I don't have anything against coming or going to any country. Just do it legally. Yet it is human nature to better our lives and in desperation, people do anything to have a good life, therefore it is in our policy that accounts our responsibility in protecting our borders. We must not completely blame and rely on the ethics of getting in legally, but must be with high conviction to prosecute and or deport illegals.

My recommendation is BUILD A BORDER that works.

What about you?


It was the way a Republican Debate should be run! Great Job the Moderators
did asking the questions! Neil, the main host could have NOT said it any better than this, ending the debate with IT WAS NOT ABOUT US....BUT ABOUT THEM!!!!!!!!!!

Unlike the mainstream moderators from NBC,CBS,ABC, MSNBC that thinks its about THEM....trying to character assainate every Rebublican candiate they can, because you see they have always been and uncovered for what THEY REALLY ARE, that is, DNC OPERATIVE POSING AS JORNALISTS!

Shame on Maria for insinuating that Hillary Clinton (that wig -wearing Grandma, with her hair falling out for lying sooooooo much) has an such an impressive resume of accomplishments for doing ANYTHING! She the WORST SECRETARY OF STATE EVER!!!!!! She's still the lying "turd in the swimming pool" that EVERYONE wants to avoid! The Bengazi hearing prooved once again that she is an out and out "congentital liar"! She is DEFINETELY a FLAWED Candidate, facing a Federal Indictment from the FBI, if not the Obama regime DOJ, for using a illegal private Hillary.com computer server, while causing a breach of our national security.

Questions that will NEVER be asked of Hillary in ANY DEBATE!


1) Why do you think so many people feel you are UNTRUSTWORTY!?

2) Do you realize having an illegal sever is ILLEGAL? Then why did you have one?

3) Do you realize using an illegal server for conducting International donations through your Clinton.com server is illegal?

3) You want to be the "people's Champion" Why? Most people fell your a "bald faced" LIAR!



4)How is the New Democratic party ANY differnt from SOCIALISM?

5) Do you think just because you have female genitia that you'll be a shoe-in for becoming the next President?
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Nov 12, 2015 7:52 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
lindsyjones: I don't know if some of you have watched the last debate which was orchestrated by Fox. Maria and the rest did a very splendid job on the questions and moderation.

Anyways, I am so impressed with the way Trump and Cruz addressed the immigration issue. When Cruz said, it is and economic issue (personal) and followed with the impact it does to our country specially in our economy.

I stand with Trump, I don't have anything against coming or going to any country. Just do it legally. Yet it is human nature to better our lives and in desperation, people do anything to have a good life, therefore it is in our policy that accounts our responsibility in protecting our borders. We must not completely blame and rely on the ethics of getting in legally, but must be with high conviction to prosecute and or deport illegals.

My recommendation is BUILD A BORDER that works.

What about you?


Not border will work.

Send all the illegal immigrants back to their own country and best end diplomatic-commercial relationships with Mexico so the 52 % of your problem will be finished.


wine
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Nov 12, 2015 7:59 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
hotburninluv: It was the way a Republican Debate should be run! Great Job the Moderators
did asking the questions! Neil, the main host could have NOT said it any better than this, ending the debate with IT WAS NOT ABOUT US....BUT ABOUT THEM!!!!!!!!!!

Unlike the mainstream moderators from NBC,CBS,ABC, MSNBC that thinks its about THEM....trying to character assainate every Rebublican candiate they can, because you see they have always been and uncovered for what THEY REALLY ARE, that is, DNC OPERATIVE POSING AS JORNALISTS!

Shame on Maria for insinuating that Hillary Clinton (that wig -wearing Grandma, with her hair falling out for lying sooooooo much) has an such an impressive resume of accomplishments for doing ANYTHING! She the WORST SECRETARY OF STATE EVER!!!!!! She's still the lying "turd in the swimming pool" that EVERYONE wants to avoid! The Bengazi hearing prooved once again that she is an out and out "congentital liar"! She is DEFINETELY a FLAWED Candidate, facing a Federal Indictment from the FBI, if not the Obama regime DOJ, for using a illegal private Hillary.com computer server, while causing a breach of our national security.

Questions that will NEVER be asked of Hillary in ANY DEBATE!1) Why do you think so many people feel you are UNTRUSTWORTY!?

2) Do you realize having an illegal sever is ILLEGAL? Then why did you have one?

3) Do you realize using an illegal server for conducting International donations through your Clinton.com server is illegal?

3) You want to be the "people's Champion" Why? Most people fell your a "bald faced" LIAR!
4)How is the New Democratic party ANY differnt from SOCIALISM?

5) Do you think just because you have female genitia that you'll be a shoe-in for becoming the next President?


Even though, there is not a significant difference between your Democratic and your Republican parties (regarding to foreign policy) there is still a huge difference between your Democratic Party and socialism.

Although, your Republican-Democrat parties might be more in tune with communist China, since you are doing business with them and soon with Cuba.

giggle
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Nov 12, 2015 8:12 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
(September)2015 :

U.S. trade in goods with Communist China
-millions of U.S. dollars-

Exports 83,993.5
Imports 357,566.9

-273,573.4

popcorn
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Nov 12, 2015 8:17 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
lindsyjones: I don't know if some of you have watched the last debate which was orchestrated by Fox. Maria and the rest did a very splendid job on the questions and moderation.

Anyways, I am so impressed with the way Trump and Cruz addressed the immigration issue. When Cruz said, it is and economic issue (personal) and followed with the impact it does to our country specially in our economy.

I stand with Trump, I don't have anything against coming or going to any country. Just do it legally. Yet it is human nature to better our lives and in desperation, people do anything to have a good life, therefore it is in our policy that accounts our responsibility in protecting our borders. We must not completely blame and rely on the ethics of getting in legally, but must be with high conviction to prosecute and or deport illegals.

My recommendation is BUILD A BORDER that works.

What about you?



Donald trump is a disciple of machiavellianism. In the case of this presidential election I find him guilty of being the tail wagging the dog. He works for Hillary and will greatly benefit financially better, long term, with Hillary as president. The bottom line with trump always has been and always will be the almighty dollar and real estate. He doesn't really care about us anymore than Hillary Clinton does.

He serves her well by being a republican and coming up with all these nonsense ideas and bad mouthing other republican ideas. His acting ability and saying the same stupid crap and insults over and over again is convincing people all republican candidates are bad actors and less experienced than Hillary Clinton. His behavior guarantees Hillary gets elected.

Has anyone done the math on what it would take to humanely move the millions of Latin amedicines WiithOut Papers to their origins? And how many people would have to be moved a day to move them all home in say two years? There are more people WithOut Papers here than the entire population in Ohio, the state I live in!

He was smart enough not to start his own political party because his intent to help Hillary would have been too obvoius.
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Nov 12, 2015 8:19 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
galrads: Donald trump is a disciple of machiavellianism. In the case of this presidential election I find him guilty of being the tail wagging the dog. He works for Hillary and will greatly benefit financially better, long term, with Hillary as president. The bottom line with trump always has been and always will be the almighty dollar and real estate. He doesn't really care about us anymore than Hillary Clinton does.

He serves her well by being a republican and coming up with all these nonsense ideas and bad mouthing other republican ideas. His acting ability and saying the same stupid crap and insults over and over again is convincing people all republican candidates are bad actors and less experienced than Hillary Clinton. His behavior guarantees Hillary gets elected.

Has anyone done the math on what it would take to humanely move the millions of Latin amedicines Americans WiithOut Papers to their origins? And how many people would have to be moved a day to move them all home in say two years? There are more people WithOut Papers here than the entire population in Ohio, the state I live in!

He was smart enough not to start his own political party because his intent to help Hillary would have been too obvoius.
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Nov 12, 2015 8:47 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
galrads: Donald trump is a disciple of machiavellianism. In the case of this presidential election I find him guilty of being the tail wagging the dog. He works for Hillary and will greatly benefit financially better, long term, with Hillary as president. The bottom line with trump always has been and always will be the almighty dollar and real estate. He doesn't really care about us anymore than Hillary Clinton does.

He serves her well by being a republican and coming up with all these nonsense ideas and bad mouthing other republican ideas. His acting ability and saying the same stupid crap and insults over and over again is convincing people all republican candidates are bad actors and less experienced than Hillary Clinton. His behavior guarantees Hillary gets elected.

Has anyone done the math on what it would take to humanely move the millions of Latin amedicines WiithOut Papers to their origins? And how many people would have to be moved a day to move them all home in say two years? There are more people WithOut Papers here than the entire population in Ohio, the state I live in!

He was smart enough not to start his own political party because his intent to help Hillary would have been too obvoius.


Will you get who you do deserve as your President?
writing

If I were American I would worry not about the logistics of sending illegal immigrants back to their countries yet there would be other matters to worry about.

But because I am Mexican sure I would worry about the 5.5 millions illegal Mexicans being brought back but If we all have to fit in this land, we will, how?

Some we could just cut half our earnings and let another family to go by.

There are about 22 million of families here, so letting 5 % more "families" in will not be that difficult and we will do it!



cool
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Nov 12, 2015 9:06 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
lindsyjones: Secret that is a good idea. I do feel the need to reinforce legal migration. But the issue that dominated the debate was economic concerns and illegal immigrants do impact our economy very negatively.

What impressed me more is how Cruz reversed the effects if all those coming in are lawyers, etc. But Trump is right, it isn't fair to any country by illegally entering.



The consensus among economists is that immigration -- both legal and illegal -- has an overall positive effect on the U.S. economy.


Fact: While undocumented immigrants don’t hold legal migration status, they generally pay a host of taxes. Many file income tax returns, and more than 3 million have payroll taxes deducted from their paychecks.

Undocumented immigrants paid about $100 billion into Social Security over the last decade, Stephen Gross, the chief actuary at the Social Security Administration, told Vice News last year.

Despite paying an estimated $13 billion per year into the Social Security system, undocumented immigrants only withdraw an estimated $1 billion -- a net annual contribution of $12 billion.



Fact: Without legal residence, undocumented immigrants are generally ineligible for government assistance. Some critics have pointed to the undocumented immigrants’ use of the child tax credit, but that money goes to support U.S.-born children.




Fact: Much research indicates undocumented workers have little impact on the wages of those born in the United States.

A study released by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, however, found that undocumented workers have only a “negligible impact” on the wages of documented workers who work at the same firm. The study found that documented workers earned 0.15 percent, or about $56 per year, less at firms that hired undocumented workers than they would at firms that hire only documented ones. Other studies have pointed in a similar direction.




Fact: A 2007 report by the Congressional Budget Office found that:

Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants -- both legal and unauthorized -- exceed the cost of the services they use.


However, the report also pointed out that the money reeled in by the federal government from migrants doesn’t necessarily get distributed back to the states and localities bearing the costs.



Fact: As the U.S. Chamber of Commerce pointed out in a 2013 paper, undocumented immigrants generally offer different skill sets than native-born workers, meaning they often aren’t competing for the same jobs. Additionally, as entrepreneurs, consumers and taxpayers, undocumented immigrants also create jobs that wouldn’t exist without them.

“The U.S. economy does not contain a fixed number of jobs for which immigrants and native-born workers compete,” the report says. Rather than opening up job opportunities for native-born workers, if all undocumented workers in the United States were deported, the U.S. would lose jobs, the report says
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Nov 12, 2015 9:51 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
secretagent09: People from all over the world come to America and they do it legally. If I was an illegal I would find work, save every dollar I made and then go back to Mexico so that I could apply for citizenship the legal way. I don't know if the cost of filling out paperwork is prohibitive but if they are sincere about wanting to live in America, they need to make an effort to do it properly.

Trump's wall will not keep illegals out. I don't know what the answer is but I think it's going to be something along the lines of giving illegals an option to work with.


Most uninformed people think that all illegal immigrants are Mexican yet it is only batting 52 % of them that are Mexicans (and the numbers are going down) so the rest 48 % are from other nationalities including some Europeans.

Btw not all Mexicans want/need an USA citizenship.
I was 5 year in USA and I could have applied for residency but I needed it not and wanted it not.

cool
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Nov 12, 2015 9:52 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
lifeisadream: Will you get who you do deserve as your President?


If I were American I would worry not about the logistics of sending illegal immigrants back to their countries yet there would be other matters to worry about.

But because I am Mexican sure I would worry about the 5.5 millions illegal Mexicans being brought back but If we all have to fit in this land, we will, how?

Some we could just cut half our earnings and let another family to go by.

There are about 22 million of families here, so letting 5 % more "families" in will not be that difficult and we will do it!


I can't remember when presidents here were voted in on a substantive basis. Anymore It's usually all about likeability and what's best for one's own pocketbook. I don't like Hillary because she brings no change from Obama.... Therefore I can't vote for her. Right now, I'd like to see dr Carson run as v.p. under a Carly Fiorina presidency.
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Nov 12, 2015 10:03 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
galrads: I can't remember when presidents here were voted in on a substantive basis. Anymore It's usually all about likeability and what's best for one's own pocketbook. I don't like Hillary because she brings no change from Obama.... Therefore I can't vote for her. Right now, I'd like to see dr Carson run as v.p. under a Carly Fiorina presidency.


It very much the same here.

Viva la democracia!


laugh
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Nov 12, 2015 10:03 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
Draegoneer
DraegoneerDraegoneerPrudenville, Michigan USA1 Threads 1,371 Posts
Illegal immigrants are here. The government knows it. obama is the one that supports it the most. It takes away from citizens at all levels. Jobs is a major hit against the citizens. that in turn, also puts more citizen households forced into government assistance. Crap does roll down hill and with the lack of leadership this nation has right now, we'll never fully know or understand the impacts until it continues to impact us directly more and more in our own house holds.

Old outdated articles on pluses that don't exist, no longer hold water. Since 2008, our economy has been in the tank and nothing in government has been helping. They're not supposed to be here and the laws need to be enforced. Trump's wall will work more than we know. It will be a matter of upkeep and updating as needed to improve it. Nothing is 100% but it's a huge start in a correct direction.

Here is a mix of articles. Notice they seem to start more recently, then go down hill when times were a lot more economically sound for the nation.

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Nov 12, 2015 10:16 PM CST Illegal Immigration: Trump and Cruz
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
Draegoneer: Illegal immigrants are here.

The government knows it.

obama is the one that supports it the most.
Wrong!
Obama is the one president that has deported more illegal immigrants.

It takes away from citizens at all levels.
ilegal immigrants take jobs away most from Blue collar american workers, that is a fact.

Jobs is a major hit against the citizens.

that in turn, also puts more citizen households forced into government assistance.
Not necessarily
Look at the states that have the least illegal immigrants and make a comparison.


Crap does roll down hill and with the lack of leadership this nation has right now, we'll never fully know or understand the impacts until it continues to impact us directly more and more in our own house holds.

Old outdated articles on pluses that don't exist, no longer hold water.
Since 2008, our economy has been in the tank
And illegal immigrants are the cause?
laugh


crisis-are-still-being-felt-five-years-article

and nothing in government has been helping. They're not supposed to be here and the laws need to be enforced.

Trump's wall will work more than we know. It will be a matter of upkeep and updating as needed to improve it. Nothing is 100% but it's a huge start in a correct direction.

Here is a mix of articles. Notice they seem to start more recently, then go down hill when times were a lot more economically sound for the nation.

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