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Mar 24, 2016 2:27 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
Thanks for this post John.

Almera I am sure you don't believe this but neither do I believe that all the migrants are refugees.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:28 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
lindsyjones: Never had I said that it is wrong to help the refugees. Are you even reading my post? I approved the 4.1 billion that Obama gave to these refugees, now why would I do that if it is wrong to help them? Poor reporting? Are you for real? Do you truly believe that all those migrants are all refugees? If you do then our discussion is over.
Read the title of this thread. Germany suffers, that implies that you feel Merkel should have twiddled her thumbs too.

Do you truly believe that all those migrants are all refugees?

That is so skewed. If you had asked, do I think there were any migrants getting in posing as refuges, then I would say yes. But you are suggesting that the majority were migrants and the odd few were Syrian refugees.

Poor reporting yes. I read the papers, I never read Merkel opens door to migrants, I read Merkel opens door to Syrian refugees. Perhaps the reporting here is of a higher standard
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Mar 24, 2016 2:36 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
lindsyjones: Thanks Capri, I have banned him on all my thread claiming that I let terrorism rule my life because I keep talking about it. Well all our politicians and the world are all talking about it. I do have a good life, I just want to be involved with this current problems in hope of finding solutions.

Now you have made those very remarkable proposal Capri and we should focus on that. Obviously Almera you have not read any of the original thread I created last year which again, reached about 1000 comment, you should go and read them all then you know where we are.

For right now you have to recognize that what we are talking about are not refugees.

And I do support them.
I am so, so, so, sorry that my life does not revolve around reading all your posts and threads, nor do I care, I actually have a life. You seem to have some weird delusions of self importance. And if you feel that banning me gives you some importance, feel free to ban me here too.
If you can not handle the fact that I or others don't kiss your butt, jog on!!
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Mar 24, 2016 2:39 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03: I am so, so, so, sorry that my life does not revolve around reading all your posts and threads, nor do I care, I actually have a life. You seem to have some weird delusions of self importance. And if you feel that banning me gives you some importance, feel free to ban me here too.
If you can not handle the fact that I or others don't kiss your butt, jog on!!


lol Almera, I don't ask no one to kiss my butt, nor do I ask anyone to patronize me, but you have been full of insults against me and five of you on here. You should just respect the fact that I am here writing and if you don't like it stay away. I banned you not because of self importance, but because instead of focusing on the discussion you become so personal against me. Now where were we. I support refugees, I don't support migrants that are manipulators and users at the expense of an established law.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:40 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03: Read the title of this thread. Germany suffers, that implies that you feel Merkel should have twiddled her thumbs too.

Do you truly believe that all those migrants are all refugees?

That is so skewed. If you had asked, do I think there were any migrants getting in posing as refuges, then I would say yes. But you are suggesting that the majority were migrants and the odd few were Syrian refugees.

Poor reporting yes. I read the papers, I never read Merkel opens door to migrants, I read Merkel opens door to Syrian refugees. Perhaps the reporting here is of a higher standard


Well good for you, my country is so inundated with all these crises going on globally and I am particularly addressing the wrong doings as a result of migrant's invasion. Perhaps you don't even want to watch Stringman's post.

Now let us move on, shall we?
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Mar 24, 2016 2:43 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
Mar 24, 2016 2:47 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggl'


Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europeer-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees[/quote]

Here Almera, for your information, but no, you don't believe the papers, do you? Perhaps you don't even believe that Belgium had been attacked and killed 31?

Poor you, why are you here putting in your most valuable time discussing with us, when after all, these are all sourced out from papers? I don't personally witness these things, so I rely on the media.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:47 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
stringman: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees


Thanks for all these documents John.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:50 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
lindsyjones: Well good for you, my country is so inundated with all these crises going on globally and I am particularly addressing the wrong doings as a result of migrant's invasion. Perhaps you don't even want to watch Stringman's post.

Now let us move on, shall we?
I have long since stopped reading or watching anything stringman posts. I'd rather gnaw my legs off. It would make more sense

Your Country is not inundated at all with what is going on in Syria or Europe. That is an exaggeration of the highest order.

If you think you have problems now, elect Trump as President, cause what ever problems are happening now will be a needle in a hay stack of problems
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Mar 24, 2016 2:54 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
lindsyjones: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggl' Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europeer-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

Here Almera, for your information, but no, you don't believe the papers, do you? Perhaps you don't even believe that Belgium had been attacked and killed 31?

Poor you, why are you here putting in your most valuable time discussing with us, when after all, these are all sourced out from papers? I don't personally witness these things, so I rely on the media.
Can I point out that ISIS is a terror group, so what ever they put out is likely to be to cause terror. So, them saying its thousands is to cause terror, it is not to be taken as gospel.

Oh I believe the attack on Belgium. But did you not post here that they were migrants who committed it.

Where do you get your reporting from
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Mar 24, 2016 2:55 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03: I have long since stopped reading or watching anything stringman posts. I'd rather gnaw my legs off. It would make more sense

Your Country is not inundated at all with what is going on in Syria or Europe. That is an exaggeration of the highest order.

If you think you have problems now, elect Trump as President, cause what ever problems are happening now will be a needle in a hay stack of problems


Well you seem to know better of my country than us here? And you want me to believe that? Are you kidding me? All the candidates are all about going to kill all the terrorist fast and addressing all the Belgium attacks, well let us see, Almera, you are right, I am the only one talking about it. I hope you are happy. Adios.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:56 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
almera03: I have long since stopped reading or watching anything stringman posts. I'd rather gnaw my legs off. It would make more sense

Your Country is not inundated at all with what is going on in Syria or Europe. That is an exaggeration of the highest order.

If you think you have problems now, elect Trump as President, cause what ever problems are happening now will be a needle in a hay stack of problems


what you think doesn't matter.thumbs down
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Mar 24, 2016 3:33 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
Capricorn143
Capricorn143Capricorn143The Best, Jugovzhodna Slovenia1 Threads 1,115 Posts
almera03: I fail to see what the age and gender of a refugee matters. Stats mean nothing. Stats are very easily skewed in one direction or another depending how you want them to appear and by who is doing the sums.


Yeah right, when someone does not want to see, nothing can make him open the eyes!

More than half a mil of these people passed through my country, I personally know several policement and the military that have worked on the border! So when I said check EU official stats..well let us just say the reality is much worse! Men, men, men in their 20s! Isn't is the unwritten rule that when the ship is sinking it is first the children and women????
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Mar 24, 2016 3:39 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
Capricorn143
Capricorn143Capricorn143The Best, Jugovzhodna Slovenia1 Threads 1,115 Posts
almera03: Can I point out that ISIS is a terror group, so what ever they put out is likely to be to cause terror. So, them saying its thousands is to cause terror, it is not to be taken as gospel.

Oh I believe the attack on Belgium. But did you not post here that they were migrants who committed it.

Where do you get your reporting from


They come from the migrant families, obviously. And it is worse when someone who was born in Europe, went to our schools then turns against his own people!

And ISIS is only one of such groups, there are many others, equally deadly. And there are "moderate moslims that just behave...hmmm let's say strangely even in the sad moments after the attacks in Brussels:

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Mar 24, 2016 3:39 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
Capricorn143: Yeah right, when someone does not want to see, nothing can make him open the eyes!

More than half a mil of these people passed through my country, I personally know several policement and the military that have worked on the border! So when I said check EU official stats..well let us just say the reality is much worse! Men, men, men in their 20s! Isn't is the unwritten rule that when the ship is sinking it is first the children and women????


It is okay Capri, I already said goodbye to him. I would love very much to have an opposition but he is mixing up the refugees with the migrants. And accuse me of like not supporting the real migrants. I take it that he will never acknowledge that there are so many of them not true refugees and that it is a useless and pointless discussion.

Let us move on and hope that your proposal will get noted.
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Mar 24, 2016 3:46 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
kaetchenvonhn
kaetchenvonhnkaetchenvonhnNeckarsulm, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany452 Posts
almera03: Nope, I fully understand that all your thinking is born from poor reporting. Just because some migrants got through, that doesn't make the decision to help the Syrian refugees wrong. You are saying her decision to help was wrong.


Reality here spoke that supports for Merkel's policy dropped to 30% especially after Cologne incident on NYE took place where most of the suspects identified as "refugees". Reality here spoke that the ruling conservative party, that Merkel leads, lose their votes on the same day in 3 states (Baden-Württemberg, Rheinland-Pfalz, Sachsen-Anhalt) because of the refugee policy made by Merkel. So, apparently there is only a few (and less than you thought and expected) who are convinced that her decision to help Syrian refugees is not wrong giggle

You are entitled to have your opinion but it seemed now that yours is based on poor reporting.
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Mar 24, 2016 3:53 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
kaetchenvonhn: Reality here spoke that supports for Merkel's policy dropped to 30% especially after Cologne incident on NYE took place where most of the suspects identified as "refugees". Reality here spoke that the ruling conservative party, that Merkel leads, lose their votes on the same day in 3 states (Baden-Württemberg, Rheinland-Pfalz, Sachsen-Anhalt) because of the refugee policy made by Merkel. So, apparently there is only a few (and less than you thought and expected) who are convinced that her decision to help Syrian refugees is not wrong

You are entitled to have your opinion but it seemed now that yours is based on poor reporting.


This is awesome Kaet. it seems we are on a parallel world with him and I feel sorry that he thinks I am ruled by terrorist just by talking about it. Well at least he should respect the fact that there are people like us, who will never stop until we see that it is going to be resolved.
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Mar 24, 2016 4:18 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
kaetchenvonhn
kaetchenvonhnkaetchenvonhnNeckarsulm, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany452 Posts
lindsyjones: This is awesome Kaet. it seems we are on a parallel world with him and I feel sorry that he thinks I am ruled by terrorist just by talking about it. Well at least he should respect the fact that there are people like us, who will never stop until we see that it is going to be resolved.


Have a great Easter weekend, Lindsy wine

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/hugh-fitzgerald-why-do-so-many-ask-why-do-they-hate-us

Hugh Fitzgerald on Why do so many ask "why do they hate us?"?

So many times I passed by these locations. Why do they hate us so much?” asked Franziska Brantner, a German Green MP and former member of the European Parliament, on Twitter (about the attacks in Brussels).

Do you remember Michael Scheuer, that obsessively anti-Israel former “bin Laden desk” expert at the C.I.A., who used to declare that “they hate us because of our policies in supporting Israel and propping up the Al-Saud and invading Iraq”? Or others who said that “they hate us because of our intervention in Libya”? Or still others who said “they hate us because we supported (!) Assad” or “we supported the Houthis in Yemen” or “we supported Mubarak” or “we abandoned Mubarak”? Or those who said “they hate us because ….(fill in your favorite reason here – anything at all will do, as long as you don’t mention Islam).

In a longer list of answers to “why they hate us,” Scheuer provided a half-dozen reasons:

-U.S. support for apostate, corrupt, and tyrannical Muslim governments.
-U.S. and other Western troops on the Arabian Peninsula.
-U.S. support for Israel that keeps Palestinians in the Israelis’ thrall.
-U.S. pressure on Arab energy producers to keep oil prices low.
-U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
-U.S. support for Russia, India, and China against their Muslim militants.

This implausible laundry list becomes even more comical if the “U.S.” is replaced by “Belgium,” for any of Scheuer’s reasons – i.e., there never was a Belgian “occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan,” nor Belgian “troops on the Arabian peninsula,” nor any Belgian “pressure on Arab energy producers,” and so on. And if one were to try to explain Muslim terrorist attacks outside the West, say in India or the Philippines, the inadequacy of his “reasons” becomes still more apparent — try substituting the “Philippines” or “Nigeria” for the “U.S.” and then read that list out loud.

And of course Scheuer has a lot of company. Those who still ask that “why do they hate us so much?” question have one thing in common: they will never accept the perfectly obvious answer – “they hate us because we are not Muslims, and will not submit to Islam” – the answer that has been true for some 1350 years. This is the hate that we find throughout the Qur’an and Sunnah, a hate that does not need any particular prompting to exist, and that is just as adamantly directed against the most sober Amish horse-and-buggy farmer or Orthodox Jew walking to shul as it is against the most debauched admirer of Miley Cyrus or the Kardashian crew. “They hate us so much” because we are Infidels who have not yet succumbed, either by “reverting” to Islam, or by agreeing to be treated as dhimmis, paying Muslims for the privilege of staying alive while being allowed to observe our own faith, if we qualify as “People of the Book” (Christians and Jews).

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Mar 24, 2016 4:20 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
kaetchenvonhn
kaetchenvonhnkaetchenvonhnNeckarsulm, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany452 Posts
(continued)

“Why do they hate us so much?”

The bombs went off in Brussels as they had previously in Paris and Madrid and Moscow and London, and dozens of other cities around the world, many of them outside the West (in India, the Philippines, Thailand, Burma, Mali, Nigeria, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Sudan). That omnidirectional hatred that prompted all those bombs and guns is drummed into Muslims from an early age, in the canonical texts that matter. Not every last Muslim may end up subscribing to that hate, but enough of them do so that it is not unreasonable to conclude that “they hate us” because that’s what they are taught to do.

Islam is on the march in Europe. The political and media elites whose duty it is to protect and instruct the peoples of Europe have failed those to whom they owed that responsibility. Instead, they have allowed what by now must surely be many millions of Muslims to settle deep within Europe, behind what Muslims themselves are taught to regard as enemy lines, the lines of Dar al-Harb, and the European elites just don’t know how to talk about the problem, where to begin. Can someone who has been part of the political class, in and out of power during the last few dismal decades, in any European country, dare now to admit that “they hate us, I finally realize, because we are Infidels — and I helped let them in”? Don’t be silly.

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Mar 24, 2016 4:23 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
kaetchenvonhn: Have a great Easter weekend, Lindsy



Hugh Fitzgerald on Why do so many ask "why do they hate us?"?

So many times I passed by these locations. Why do they hate us so much?” asked Franziska Brantner, a German Green MP and former member of the European Parliament, on Twitter (about the attacks in Brussels).

Do you remember Michael Scheuer, that obsessively anti-Israel former “bin Laden desk” expert at the C.I.A., who used to declare that “they hate us because of our policies in supporting Israel and propping up the Al-Saud and invading Iraq”? Or others who said that “they hate us because of our intervention in Libya”? Or still others who said “they hate us because we supported (!) Assad” or “we supported the Houthis in Yemen” or “we supported Mubarak” or “we abandoned Mubarak”? Or those who said “they hate us because ….(fill in your favorite reason here – anything at all will do, as long as you don’t mention Islam).

In a longer list of answers to “why they hate us,” Scheuer provided a half-dozen reasons:

-U.S. support for apostate, corrupt, and tyrannical Muslim governments.
-U.S. and other Western troops on the Arabian Peninsula.
-U.S. support for Israel that keeps Palestinians in the Israelis’ thrall.
-U.S. pressure on Arab energy producers to keep oil prices low.
-U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
-U.S. support for Russia, India, and China against their Muslim militants.

This implausible laundry list becomes even more comical if the “U.S.” is replaced by “Belgium,” for any of Scheuer’s reasons – i.e., there never was a Belgian “occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan,” nor Belgian “troops on the Arabian peninsula,” nor any Belgian “pressure on Arab energy producers,” and so on. And if one were to try to explain Muslim terrorist attacks outside the West, say in India or the Philippines, the inadequacy of his “reasons” becomes still more apparent — try substituting the “Philippines” or “Nigeria” for the “U.S.” and then read that list out loud.

And of course Scheuer has a lot of company. Those who still ask that “why do they hate us so much?” question have one thing in common: they will never accept the perfectly obvious answer – “they hate us because we are not Muslims, and will not submit to Islam” – the answer that has been true for some 1350 years. This is the hate that we find throughout the Qur’an and Sunnah, a hate that does not need any particular prompting to exist, and that is just as adamantly directed against the most sober Amish horse-and-buggy farmer or Orthodox Jew walking to shul as it is against the most debauched admirer of Miley Cyrus or the Kardashian crew. “They hate us so much” because we are Infidels who have not yet succumbed, either by “reverting” to Islam, or by agreeing to be treated as dhimmis, paying Muslims for the privilege of staying alive while being allowed to observe our own faith, if we qualify as “People of the Book” (Christians and Jews).

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Thanks for this info my dear Kaet. Yes indeed..
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