Dallas, shooting the police (221)
A former congressman took to Twitter late Thursday to tell President Obama "this is now war" following two snipers shooting nearly a dozen police officers in Dallas, Texas.
Joe Walsh, who had represented the 8th District of Illinois, posted more than a dozen messages on Twitter bashing Obama's leadership, which he said has contributed to Thursday night's mass shooting.
"3 Dallas Cops killed, 7 wounded. This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you," Walsh wrote.
Donald Trump called for a restoration of "law and order" in the wake of the deadly attack on law enforcement officers in Dallas.
"We must restore the confidence of our people to be safe and secure in their homes and on the street," Trump said in a statement early Friday morning
Joe Walsh, who had represented the 8th District of Illinois, posted more than a dozen messages on Twitter bashing Obama's leadership, which he said has contributed to Thursday night's mass shooting.
"3 Dallas Cops killed, 7 wounded. This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you," Walsh wrote.
Donald Trump called for a restoration of "law and order" in the wake of the deadly attack on law enforcement officers in Dallas.
"We must restore the confidence of our people to be safe and secure in their homes and on the street," Trump said in a statement early Friday morning
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Len05: two wrongs don't make a right.
but most images i see from the US black community on tv, they don't make me feel equal.
there is a huge split in that country
but most images i see from the US black community on tv, they don't make me feel equal.
there is a huge split in that country
No. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Irrespective of colour of skin, there were 5 innocent lives taken yesterday.
From media reports it appears the sniper took his own life, rightfully so, after murdering innocent lives who had nothing to do with the incident that preceded this tragedy.
The incident, in question, is when a driver was pulled over for a faulty rear tail light on his car. The driver proceeded to reach into his pocket, after declaring to the police offer he was armed, and despite being instructed to stop what he was doing(twice, as I understand it), he did not. The driver, I believe, had a gun license. Did this man deserve to die? No, of course not.
Was the police offer concerned at his own safety when the man continued to reach into his pocket? Possibly.
The issue here seems to be more about the lax gun laws in America. Had this driver not been armed, the incident may not have occurred.
It's a mad, mad, world, at times...
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BerrySmoothie: No. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Irrespective of colour of skin, there were 5 innocent lives taken yesterday.
From media reports it appears the sniper took his own life, rightfully so, after murdering innocent lives who had nothing to do with the incident that preceded this tragedy.
The incident, in question, is when a driver was pulled over for a faulty rear tail light on his car. The driver proceeded to reach into his pocket, after declaring to the police offer he was armed, and despite being instructed to stop what he was doing(twice, as I understand it), he did not. The driver, I believe, had a gun license. Did this man deserve to die? No, of course not.
Was the police offer concerned at his own safety when the man continued to reach into his pocket? Possibly.
The issue here seems to be more about the lax gun laws in America. Had this driver not been armed, the incident may not have occurred.
It's a mad, mad, world, at times...
Irrespective of colour of skin, there were 5 innocent lives taken yesterday.
From media reports it appears the sniper took his own life, rightfully so, after murdering innocent lives who had nothing to do with the incident that preceded this tragedy.
The incident, in question, is when a driver was pulled over for a faulty rear tail light on his car. The driver proceeded to reach into his pocket, after declaring to the police offer he was armed, and despite being instructed to stop what he was doing(twice, as I understand it), he did not. The driver, I believe, had a gun license. Did this man deserve to die? No, of course not.
Was the police offer concerned at his own safety when the man continued to reach into his pocket? Possibly.
The issue here seems to be more about the lax gun laws in America. Had this driver not been armed, the incident may not have occurred.
It's a mad, mad, world, at times...
I agree, he didn't "deserve" to die. He would be alive if he had listened to instructions from the officer.
He was asked for his identification. That's when the guy told the officer that he had a license to carry. That alerted the officer that there is a gun in the car.
The next thing the officer said is Don't Move. That instruction cancelled the request for his ID.
But the guy didn't want to listen to what he was told to do which was Don't Move. He wanted to do it his way.
It's not "possibly" that the officer was concerned for his own safety. There is no question that he was.
I have seen many situations when an officer walks up to a car to ask for ID and the person in the drivers seat rolls the window down and shoots the officer at point blank range.
The officer was on high alert once the guy said he had a license to carry. He was a seasoned police officer. Even though he had years of experience he had seconds to make the decision whether to trust the guy that he was reaching for his ID or a gun.
Would anyone assume that he was reaching for his ID?
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As a species we have developed in so many ways, but when it comes to death and destruction we have not progressed. All we have managed to do is use our knowledge to kill, maim or destroy in a more devastating way.
So sad.
So sad.
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As a species we have developed in so many ways, but when it comes to death and destruction we have not progressed. All we have managed to do is use our knowledge to kill, maim or destroy in a more devastating way.
So sad.
So sad.
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BerrySmoothie: No. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Irrespective of colour of skin, there were 5 innocent lives taken yesterday.
From media reports it appears the sniper took his own life, rightfully so, after murdering innocent lives who had nothing to do with the incident that preceded this tragedy.
The incident, in question, is when a driver was pulled over for a faulty rear tail light on his car. The driver proceeded to reach into his pocket, after declaring to the police offer he was armed, and despite being instructed to stop what he was doing(twice, as I understand it), he did not. The driver, I believe, had a gun license. Did this man deserve to die? No, of course not.
Was the police offer concerned at his own safety when the man continued to reach into his pocket? Possibly.
The issue here seems to be more about the lax gun laws in America. Had this driver not been armed, the incident may not have occurred.
It's a mad, mad, world, at times...
Irrespective of colour of skin, there were 5 innocent lives taken yesterday.
From media reports it appears the sniper took his own life, rightfully so, after murdering innocent lives who had nothing to do with the incident that preceded this tragedy.
The incident, in question, is when a driver was pulled over for a faulty rear tail light on his car. The driver proceeded to reach into his pocket, after declaring to the police offer he was armed, and despite being instructed to stop what he was doing(twice, as I understand it), he did not. The driver, I believe, had a gun license. Did this man deserve to die? No, of course not.
Was the police offer concerned at his own safety when the man continued to reach into his pocket? Possibly.
The issue here seems to be more about the lax gun laws in America. Had this driver not been armed, the incident may not have occurred.
It's a mad, mad, world, at times...
I agree gun laws need to change...a police officer needs to feel secure in dealing with the public...but an educated officer who is well paid is paramount...fearing African Americans or believing in stereotypes makes for bad relations...certainly the lack of opportunity in such communities can lead into criminal lifestyles or a lack of regard to authority figures...
Very political situation...why many youth have high regards toward Sander's ideology...the disadvantaged need to believe they count and perhaps one day colour won't matter...everyone should have the ability to thrive...or excellent in life...
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rebel2: As a species we have developed in so many ways, but when it comes to death and destruction we have not progressed. All we have managed to do is use our knowledge to kill, maim or destroy in a more devastating way.
So sad.
So sad.
Please read my previous post.
Do you realize that if the perpetrator in Minneapolis listened to the officer when he said Don't Move, all those cops that were shot in Dallas would probably be alive. That incident caused people to be outraged that the guy in the car was killed. I'm not happy that he was killed but officers are trained to give somebody every chance to obey their instruction. When they don't the officer has to use his training to stay alive.
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loulou77: I agree gun laws need to change...a police officer needs to feel secure in dealing with the public...but an educated officer who is well paid is paramount...fearing African Americans or believing in stereotypes makes for bad relations...certainly the lack of opportunity in such communities can lead into criminal lifestyles or a lack of regard to authority figures...
Very political situation...why many youth have high regards toward Sander's ideology...the disadvantaged need to believe they count and perhaps one day colour won't matter...everyone should have the ability to thrive...or excellent in life...
Very political situation...why many youth have high regards toward Sander's ideology...the disadvantaged need to believe they count and perhaps one day colour won't matter...everyone should have the ability to thrive...or excellent in life...
I meant excel in life...
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secretagent09: Please read my previous post.
Do you realize that if the perpetrator in Minneapolis listened to the officer when he said Don't Move, all those cops that were shot in Dallas would probably be alive. That incident caused people to be outraged that the guy in the car was killed. I'm not happy that he was killed but officers are trained to give somebody every chance to obey their instruction. When they don't the officer has to use his training to stay alive.
My post was about us as a species, not about any specifics regarding the incident wine:Do you realize that if the perpetrator in Minneapolis listened to the officer when he said Don't Move, all those cops that were shot in Dallas would probably be alive. That incident caused people to be outraged that the guy in the car was killed. I'm not happy that he was killed but officers are trained to give somebody every chance to obey their instruction. When they don't the officer has to use his training to stay alive.
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secretagent09: Please read my previous post.
Do you realize that if the perpetrator in Minneapolis listened to the officer when he said Don't Move, all those cops that were shot in Dallas would probably be alive. That incident caused people to be outraged that the guy in the car was killed. I'm not happy that he was killed but officers are trained to give somebody every chance to obey their instruction. When they don't the officer has to use his training to stay alive.
My post was about us as a species, not about any specifics regarding the incident wine:Do you realize that if the perpetrator in Minneapolis listened to the officer when he said Don't Move, all those cops that were shot in Dallas would probably be alive. That incident caused people to be outraged that the guy in the car was killed. I'm not happy that he was killed but officers are trained to give somebody every chance to obey their instruction. When they don't the officer has to use his training to stay alive.
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secretagent09: I agree, he didn't "deserve" to die. He would be alive if he had listened to instructions from the officer.
He was asked for his identification. That's when the guy told the officer that he had a license to carry. That alerted the officer that there is a gun in the car.
The next thing the officer said is Don't Move. That instruction cancelled the request for his ID.
But the guy didn't want to listen to what he was told to do which was Don't Move. He wanted to do it his way.
It's not "possibly" that the officer was concerned for his own safety. There is no question that he was.
I have seen many situations when an officer walks up to a car to ask for ID and the person in the drivers seat rolls the window down and shoots the officer at point blank range.
The officer was on high alert once the guy said he had a license to carry. He was a seasoned police officer. Even though he had years of experience he had seconds to make the decision whether to trust the guy that he was reaching for his ID or a gun.
Would anyone assume that he was reaching for his ID?
He was asked for his identification. That's when the guy told the officer that he had a license to carry. That alerted the officer that there is a gun in the car.
The next thing the officer said is Don't Move. That instruction cancelled the request for his ID.
But the guy didn't want to listen to what he was told to do which was Don't Move. He wanted to do it his way.
It's not "possibly" that the officer was concerned for his own safety. There is no question that he was.
I have seen many situations when an officer walks up to a car to ask for ID and the person in the drivers seat rolls the window down and shoots the officer at point blank range.
The officer was on high alert once the guy said he had a license to carry. He was a seasoned police officer. Even though he had years of experience he had seconds to make the decision whether to trust the guy that he was reaching for his ID or a gun.
Would anyone assume that he was reaching for his ID?
Yes....the question here, Secret is, being a seasoned police officer, should he have shot to maim, not kill. Do we consider the possibility that perhaps the police officer "lost it" momentarily after discharging 4 bullets. One bullet to injure would have been sufficient, I would have thought.
I'm not back-tracking. It just occurs to me, that the police officer may have over-reacted by continuing to shoot after the first bullet?
Just worth pondering.
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BerrySmoothie: Yes....the question here, Secret is, being a seasoned police officer, should he have shot to maim, not kill. Do we consider the possibility that perhaps the police officer "lost it" momentarily after discharging 4 bullets. One bullet to injure would have been sufficient, I would have thought.
I'm not back-tracking. It just occurs to me, that the police officer may have over-reacted by continuing to shoot after the first bullet?
Just worth pondering.
I'm not back-tracking. It just occurs to me, that the police officer may have over-reacted by continuing to shoot after the first bullet?
Just worth pondering.
It's a good thought that an officer should shoot to stop the person but that's not how they are trained. When an officer pulls the trigger of his weapon his intent is to kill. I know that sounds awful but one shot might not stop the person. In fact, if a person is high on drugs one shot never stops them.
As I said in post #35 the officer gave the guy clear instructions, more then once, that he shouldn't move.
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secretagent09: Please read my previous post.
Do you realize that if the perpetrator in Minneapolis listened to the officer when he said Don't Move, all those cops that were shot in Dallas would probably be alive. That incident caused people to be outraged that the guy in the car was killed. I'm not happy that he was killed but officers are trained to give somebody every chance to obey their instruction. When they don't the officer has to use his training to stay alive.
Do you realize that if the perpetrator in Minneapolis listened to the officer when he said Don't Move, all those cops that were shot in Dallas would probably be alive. That incident caused people to be outraged that the guy in the car was killed. I'm not happy that he was killed but officers are trained to give somebody every chance to obey their instruction. When they don't the officer has to use his training to stay alive.
Exactly,
a police man can not be emotional and make a difference if he is approaching someone from a white ghetto, black ghetto or someone who went to University...
If a policeman says "Don't move" it means exactly that.
I wonder if he shot the policeman first, how political it was going to be? And who was going to protest?
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A policeman has just been shot in the neck, a few minutes from where I live. 
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Kaybee50: A policeman has just been shot in the neck, a few minutes from where I live.
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secretagent09: It's a good thought that an officer should shoot to stop the person but that's not how they are trained. When an officer pulls the trigger of his weapon his intent is to kill. I know that sounds awful but one shot might not stop the person. In fact, if a person is high on drugs one shot never stops them.
As I said in post #35 the officer gave the guy clear instructions, more then once, that he shouldn't move.
As I said in post #35 the officer gave the guy clear instructions, more then once, that he shouldn't move.
As Lou Lou mentioned, and I agree....revised gun laws are urgently required in America.
If, we, New Zealanders, had a license to carry(our gun laws are very strict, unless the firearm has been obtained illegally)....it would be absolute bedlam, I'm sure.
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Kaybee50: A policeman has just been shot in the neck, a few minutes from where I live.
Oh, hope it's not going to become a wave of revenge...
The moment a policeman puts his uniform on and goes on the street he becomes a walking target.
How easy is that?! And how he feels in a situation where his life is threatened it's only him who knows...
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rebel2: My post was about us as a species, not about any specifics regarding the incident wine:
I appreciate your explanation
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secretagent09: I appreciate your explanation
I and appreciate the glass of wine 
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Sophia I totally agree it saddens me too.