The lack of mature adults, both male and female as opposed to being adult in western society & why. (65)
ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 PostsNotice that "Make America Great Again" did NOT come with "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for oyur country" or a "we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they're easy, but because they are hard" in fact I believe his words on Making America Great Again were "it won't even be that hard". And it won't be that hard if all this is is a get-rich-quick scheme, but it will be hard if you genuinely intend to leave behind a better America for your children.
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KremaP: Sorry John, but what does it mean?
You care less for those children, cause they are not your own flesh and blood...?!
You care less for those children, cause they are not your own flesh and blood...?!
Not necessarily!
Let's forget the fostering thing, as it's only a temporary solution, but think about a scenario, where you meet a woman with children.
Would you discipline them like they are your own? And what if the relationship turned sour? Would you have rights to visit , if /when she funds another partner, like you would your own flesh & blood?
However much you love another persons children, you cannot commit unconditional love to that child.
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One2note: Not necessarily!
Let's forget the fostering thing, as it's only a temporary solution, but think about a scenario, where you meet a woman with children.
Would you discipline them like they are your own? And what if the relationship turned sour? Would you have rights to visit , if /when she FINDS another partner, like you would your own flesh & blood?
However much you love another persons children, you cannot commit unconditional love to that child.
Let's forget the fostering thing, as it's only a temporary solution, but think about a scenario, where you meet a woman with children.
Would you discipline them like they are your own? And what if the relationship turned sour? Would you have rights to visit , if /when she FINDS another partner, like you would your own flesh & blood?
However much you love another persons children, you cannot commit unconditional love to that child.
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I did read an open letter-complain recently, written by a girl who studied in a German University, graduating with excellent results... So, she complained that no big company wants to give her a job, meaning a higher position not just any job... She had no experience whatsoever, only great on theory...
There are too many like her, unfortunately...
My nephew is twenty, second year student in Danish University, works to support himself from day one, getting up at 2 am to deliver newspapers.
He managed to get apprenticeship with a very big company and instead of having fun this summer he will be working hard, starting from the bottom line. And by the time he graduates he will have a good stuff to put on his CV and more importantly valuable experience...and very likely a job with that company...
There are too many like her, unfortunately...
My nephew is twenty, second year student in Danish University, works to support himself from day one, getting up at 2 am to deliver newspapers.
He managed to get apprenticeship with a very big company and instead of having fun this summer he will be working hard, starting from the bottom line. And by the time he graduates he will have a good stuff to put on his CV and more importantly valuable experience...and very likely a job with that company...
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One2note: Not necessarily!
Let's forget the fostering thing, as it's only a temporary solution, but think about a scenario, where you meet a woman with children.
Would you discipline them like they are your own? And what if the relationship turned sour? Would you have rights to visit , if /when she funds another partner, like you would your own flesh & blood?
However much you love another persons children, you cannot commit unconditional love to that child.
Let's forget the fostering thing, as it's only a temporary solution, but think about a scenario, where you meet a woman with children.
Would you discipline them like they are your own? And what if the relationship turned sour? Would you have rights to visit , if /when she funds another partner, like you would your own flesh & blood?
However much you love another persons children, you cannot commit unconditional love to that child.
Your heart won't choose to love more or to love less because of the circumstances...
If it is open and honest you won't fear giving as much love as you can for as long as you can...
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But there's hope. immaturity will lead society to despair and catastrophe, but surviving these things leads back to maturity. The only westerners who know the value of money as a rule, and not an exception, are those who came of age in the great recession. The great recession was the only major character building exercise in the west for decades and its influence was strongest on those who were A) most vulnerable to it, and B) young enough to psychologically adapt to experience. The Great Depression made no psychological difference to those who were 50 and 60 in 1932, naked capitalism was second nature to old people in the 1930s and it was the younger men of the time who went to create the world of post-war prosperity.
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KremaP: Your heart won't choose to love more or to love less because of the circumstances...
If it is open and honest you won't fear giving as much love as you can for as long as you can...
If it is open and honest you won't fear giving as much love as you can for as long as you can...
It's not the same & you know it!
I'm sure you will say to your future partner "I'm not expecting you to be my child's father, he already has one"
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One2note: It's not the same & you know it!
I'm sure you will say to your future partner "I'm not expecting you to be my child's father, he already has one"
I'm sure you will say to your future partner "I'm not expecting you to be my child's father, he already has one"
No, I won't say that for sure...it's not for me to decide how they gonna feel for each other...
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KremaP: No, I won't say that for sure...it's not for me to decide how they gonna feel for each other...
So, are you looking for both a partner & a father figure to your son?
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One2note: So, are you looking for both a partner & a father figure to your son?
What's the point of having a man in the house and keep on being a mother and father yourself...?
He doesn't have to be exactly a father figure but definitely a role model...
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KremaP: What's the point of having a man in the house and keep on being a mother and father yourself...?
He doesn't have to be exactly a father figure but definitely a role model...
He doesn't have to be exactly a father figure but definitely a role model...
That's fine, if the real father is not in the picture.
Imagine, how confusing it would be for the child, if the real father was, & contradicting the parenting style of the adopted parent, and how frustrating it would be for that partner!
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One2note: That's fine, if the real father is not in the picture.
Imagine, how confusing it would be for the child, if the real father was, & contradicting the parenting style of the adopted parent, and how frustrating it would be for that partner!
Imagine, how confusing it would be for the child, if the real father was, & contradicting the parenting style of the adopted parent, and how frustrating it would be for that partner!
A good thread material...
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KremaP: A good thread material...
I just heard the word egg and naturally assumed it was about parenting!
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KremaP: What's the point of having a man in the house and keep on being a mother and father yourself...?
He doesn't have to be exactly a father figure but definitely a role model...
He doesn't have to be exactly a father figure but definitely a role model...
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Yeah, raising my granddaughter has been a different experience to raising my daughter, John.
I get what a difficult path it is when you get to do all the work of parenting with none of the decision making rights.
I'm now making the first tentative steps towards a relationship with my two step-grandsons whilst awaiting the arrival of my biological grandson to whom I will be a grandparent, rather than a co-parent.
All these relationships are different, but I have experience from all of them - different experience.
It's certainly enriched my experience being in the dad role and I can empathise a lot more with men's experience of parenting as a result.
I can also have opinions about raising children from a number of different perspectives, all of which, I feel, have validity.
I don't see why there has to be a hierarchy of who has the most right to an opinion, or pose a hypothesis about raising children according to some social rank. Parenting is hard a lot of the time, in whatever capacity you parent.
Being a child, or adolescent can be hard work, too.
As I see it, Greg is proposing an idea which could make life easier and more satisfactory all round. The discussion surely should be about whether that proposition has merit and how it might be implemented, not whether he has the correct experience to make that proposal, or have an opinion about it.
I get what a difficult path it is when you get to do all the work of parenting with none of the decision making rights.
I'm now making the first tentative steps towards a relationship with my two step-grandsons whilst awaiting the arrival of my biological grandson to whom I will be a grandparent, rather than a co-parent.
All these relationships are different, but I have experience from all of them - different experience.
It's certainly enriched my experience being in the dad role and I can empathise a lot more with men's experience of parenting as a result.
I can also have opinions about raising children from a number of different perspectives, all of which, I feel, have validity.
I don't see why there has to be a hierarchy of who has the most right to an opinion, or pose a hypothesis about raising children according to some social rank. Parenting is hard a lot of the time, in whatever capacity you parent.
Being a child, or adolescent can be hard work, too.
As I see it, Greg is proposing an idea which could make life easier and more satisfactory all round. The discussion surely should be about whether that proposition has merit and how it might be implemented, not whether he has the correct experience to make that proposal, or have an opinion about it.
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jac_the_gripper: Yeah, raising my granddaughter has been a different experience to raising my daughter, John.
I get what a difficult path it is when you get to do all the work of parenting with none of the decision making rights.
I'm now making the first tentative steps towards a relationship with my two step-grandsons whilst awaiting the arrival of my biological grandson to whom I will be a grandparent, rather than a co-parent.
All these relationships are different, but I have experience from all of them - different experience.
It's certainly enriched my experience being in the dad role and I can empathise a lot more with men's experience of parenting as a result.
I can also have opinions about raising children from a number of different perspectives, all of which, I feel, have validity.
I don't see why there has to be a hierarchy of who has the most right to an opinion, or pose a hypothesis about raising children according to some social rank. Parenting is hard a lot of the time, in whatever capacity you parent.
Being a child, or adolescent can be hard work, too.
As I see it, Greg is proposing an idea which could make life easier and more satisfactory all round. The discussion surely should be about whether that proposition has merit and how it might be implemented, not whether he has the correct experience to make that proposal, or have an opinion about it.
I get what a difficult path it is when you get to do all the work of parenting with none of the decision making rights.
I'm now making the first tentative steps towards a relationship with my two step-grandsons whilst awaiting the arrival of my biological grandson to whom I will be a grandparent, rather than a co-parent.
All these relationships are different, but I have experience from all of them - different experience.
It's certainly enriched my experience being in the dad role and I can empathise a lot more with men's experience of parenting as a result.
I can also have opinions about raising children from a number of different perspectives, all of which, I feel, have validity.
I don't see why there has to be a hierarchy of who has the most right to an opinion, or pose a hypothesis about raising children according to some social rank. Parenting is hard a lot of the time, in whatever capacity you parent.
Being a child, or adolescent can be hard work, too.
As I see it, Greg is proposing an idea which could make life easier and more satisfactory all round. The discussion surely should be about whether that proposition has merit and how it might be implemented, not whether he has the correct experience to make that proposal, or have an opinion about it.
Exactly...
Being the natural parent , you can make decisions, for what you think is best for the child, not just to please them to gain affection.
Some of my decisions in raising my daughter, weren't popular at the time, but are well appreciated now!
Would I have been the same with someone else's child?
I doubt it!
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Well, you've properly missed the point of my post there, eh, John?
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jac_the_gripper: Well, you've properly missed the point of my post there, eh, John?
Probable
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Thread: The lack of mature adults, both male and female as opposed to being adult in western society & why.(by GregKeegan)
Good opinion Greg Keegan
in the points you mentioned there is a basic foundation of good ethics taught by our parents before in 50's and 60's generation.But the era has changed many norms of life that once considered good, today is considered odd and weird. There has been a lot of moral changing ??in the generation now days. I said decadence moral. Not only in the western society but globaly in all countries.
Thanks to the technology
In my opinion Theres a different conotation of mature and adult in now days.
But i saw some positive points also in the generation nowdays.
Their freedom spirit, smart and dare to chalenge everything with logic mind, able to proove what is right and what is wrong.
Not care about mature or adult.
The rebels spirit. And actually they hate war .They prefer peace in modernisation , revolution of mind, technology mind. Cannot be dictate. It is really different mind concept with the previous generation.
Good opinion Greg Keegan
in the points you mentioned there is a basic foundation of good ethics taught by our parents before in 50's and 60's generation.But the era has changed many norms of life that once considered good, today is considered odd and weird. There has been a lot of moral changing ??in the generation now days. I said decadence moral. Not only in the western society but globaly in all countries.
Thanks to the technology
In my opinion Theres a different conotation of mature and adult in now days.
But i saw some positive points also in the generation nowdays.
Their freedom spirit, smart and dare to chalenge everything with logic mind, able to proove what is right and what is wrong.
Not care about mature or adult.
The rebels spirit. And actually they hate war .They prefer peace in modernisation , revolution of mind, technology mind. Cannot be dictate. It is really different mind concept with the previous generation.
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