Palm Oil And Its Connection With The Environmental Destruction (67)
Daniela
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Limun: im more concerned that the rainforest literally disappears and no one cares
I bought an acre of rainforest; and haven't cut down any trees, except invasive species on my land.I plant trees on my land, that naturally grow in our rainforest.
I have an endangered hibiscus tree, that I take cuttings from and once they're rooted, I give them away to my neighbors. There's only 12 of these trees left, in the wild.
Unfortunately, it's still legal to buy land in our rainforest, and bulldoze every tree into the ground!
Real estate speculators buy 3 or 4 lots, and kill every tree on them. There's places in the forest, where you can see the ocean 20 miles away!
There's people who think being able to see the ocean from the middle of a rainforest raises the value of their property! and I can hear someone starting with heavy equipment, this morning.
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mykingdomforanam: I bought an acre of rainforest; and haven't cut down any trees, except invasive species on my land.
I plant trees on my land, that naturally grow in our rainforest.
I have an endangered hibiscus tree, that I take cuttings from and once they're rooted, I give them away to my neighbors. There's only 12 of these trees left, in the wild.
Unfortunately, it's still legal to buy land in our rainforest, and bulldoze every tree into the ground!
Real estate speculators buy 3 or 4 lots, and kill every tree on them. There's places in the forest, where you can see the ocean 20 miles away!
There's people who think being able to see the ocean from the middle of a rainforest raises the value of their property! and I can hear someone starting with heavy equipment, this morning.
My I plant trees on my land, that naturally grow in our rainforest.
I have an endangered hibiscus tree, that I take cuttings from and once they're rooted, I give them away to my neighbors. There's only 12 of these trees left, in the wild.
Unfortunately, it's still legal to buy land in our rainforest, and bulldoze every tree into the ground!
Real estate speculators buy 3 or 4 lots, and kill every tree on them. There's places in the forest, where you can see the ocean 20 miles away!
There's people who think being able to see the ocean from the middle of a rainforest raises the value of their property! and I can hear someone starting with heavy equipment, this morning.
What’s the colour of your hibiscus? Red hibiscus is our national flower.
I used to have a variety of colours of hibiscus in my garden. Some are even two-toned!
I like hibiscus tea and my gardener used to bring them hibiscus leaves back to his house after pruning the trees to be made into tonic for his hair
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MiMiArt: My
What’s the colour of your hibiscus? Red hibiscus is our national flower.
I used to have a variety of colours of hibiscus in my garden. Some are even two-toned!
I like hibiscus tea and my gardener used to bring them hibiscus leaves back to his house after pruning the trees to be made into tonic for his hair
I've planted a bunch of colors of hibiscus on my land. Most of the acre is covered with ohia trees, which I've added to... besides replenishing the forest, I plant Hawaiian foods in it. I also plant Hawaiian textiles, like hibiscus, lahala, and bamboo: so that it will always be a home for people who are connected to the land. What’s the colour of your hibiscus? Red hibiscus is our national flower.
I used to have a variety of colours of hibiscus in my garden. Some are even two-toned!
I like hibiscus tea and my gardener used to bring them hibiscus leaves back to his house after pruning the trees to be made into tonic for his hair
The endangered hibiscus tree I have, grows up to 30 feet tall, and has pleasantly scented white flowers, that turn pink in the afternoon.
Aloha aina. Malama aina.
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mykingdomforanam: Elephant tasks! I'm against them!
Elephants shouldn't be required to work for peanuts!
Elephants shouldn't be required to work for peanuts!
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daniela777: So am I !
I think many DO care but...what do they do about it?
good pointI think many DO care but...what do they do about it?
since its a multimillion worth business , no one dares to do something about it and replanting is simply out of the question ... dunno why
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MiMiArt: https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/columnists/palm-voices-jonathon-porritt/2018/12/03/sticking-to-the-facts-helps-more/
Daniela
Hola guapa Daniela
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mykingdomforanam: I bought an acre of rainforest; and haven't cut down any trees, except invasive species on my land.
I plant trees on my land, that naturally grow in our rainforest.
I have an endangered hibiscus tree, that I take cuttings from and once they're rooted, I give them away to my neighbors. There's only 12 of these trees left, in the wild.
Unfortunately, it's still legal to buy land in our rainforest, and bulldoze every tree into the ground!
Real estate speculators buy 3 or 4 lots, and kill every tree on them. There's places in the forest, where you can see the ocean 20 miles away!
There's people who think being able to see the ocean from the middle of a rainforest raises the value of their property! and I can hear someone starting with heavy equipment, this morning.
quite a problemI plant trees on my land, that naturally grow in our rainforest.
I have an endangered hibiscus tree, that I take cuttings from and once they're rooted, I give them away to my neighbors. There's only 12 of these trees left, in the wild.
Unfortunately, it's still legal to buy land in our rainforest, and bulldoze every tree into the ground!
Real estate speculators buy 3 or 4 lots, and kill every tree on them. There's places in the forest, where you can see the ocean 20 miles away!
There's people who think being able to see the ocean from the middle of a rainforest raises the value of their property! and I can hear someone starting with heavy equipment, this morning.
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Limun: good point
since its a multimillion worth business , no one dares to do something about it and replanting is simply out of the question ... dunno why
I don't really know either? since its a multimillion worth business , no one dares to do something about it and replanting is simply out of the question ... dunno why
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Limun: quite a problem
And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.Isaiah 10:19
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daniela777: hi Mike
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daniela777: Although it is not bad for the health, thousands of acres of rainforest (orangutans´ habitat) are destroyed yearly for the palm tree plantation.
Are you yourself aware of it?
Do you seek out palm oil free products?
Or... you don´t care?
Palm oil is only the tip of the iceberg Daniella and sorry but contrary to your statement that it's not bad for ones health , it actually is (bad for ones health). It's a nutritionally empty useless food and of zero value to the human body. But it's cheap, dirt cheap, and the USA love their "cheap". food, so the food producers have removed the (vaguely) decent (more expensive oils and butters) to replace it with palm oil...which keeps the food cheap... not that proper food has any palm oil in it by the way...(meat, veg, sald, fruit are real foods, just in case yoi're not sure) Are you yourself aware of it?
Do you seek out palm oil free products?
Or... you don´t care?
. Also, rain forest destruction started well before the advent of palm oil...thousands upon thousands of acres being cut down every year just to feed the rapacious greed for meat of just one country...can you guess which one? In other countries there are whole familes living for a week on just one days meat serving for one person from this country and they're perfectly healthy, if not far far healthier in fact.....
It's disgusting imo, that while vast swathes of people die of real genuine hunger and starvation, there is another cohort dying from the starvation of being seriously over-fed with fake processed cheap food but yet stil so under nourished with proper food that they need a massive healthcare system just to deal with the effects of their gluttony....not to mention the then blanket use of antibiotics in everyting and anything because everything they eat has to be practically sterile.......tis sickening to be honest.. palm oil is just one more insult to the planet and never mind the orangutans....it's our own children, the next generations, that are going to pay the true price for it....
The biggest and most immedicate concern are the huge declines in bees and pollinators' numbers, they are dying out in vast vast vast numbers..In (I think it's) SW China there are zero bees to be found so they are having to pollinate by hand and that's proving a total disaster (if not abject failure)...And even though the honey bees get all the media attention, it's the hover flies and other pollinatores that are being wiped out by the prolific use of insecticides, weedkillers and monoculture farming so predominant in most western countries now... but especially the USA, the biggest culprit...
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Tuesday2018: Palm oil is only the tip of the iceberg Daniella and sorry but contrary to your statement that it's not bad for ones health , it actually is (bad for ones health). It's a nutritionally empty useless food and of zero value to the human body. But it's cheap, dirt cheap, and the USA love their "cheap". food, so the food producers have removed the (vaguely) decent (more expensive oils and butters) to replace it with palm oil...which keeps the food cheap... not that proper food has any palm oil in it by the way...(meat, veg, sald, fruit are real foods, just in case yoi're not sure)
. Also, rain forest destruction started well before the advent of palm oil...thousands upon thousands of acres being cut down every year just to feed the rapacious greed for meat of just one country...can you guess which one? In other countries there are whole familes living for a week on just one days meat serving for one person from this country and they're perfectly healthy, if not far far healthier in fact.....
It's disgusting imo, that while vast swathes of people die of real genuine hunger and starvation, there is another cohort dying from the starvation of being seriously over-fed with fake processed cheap food but yet stil so under nourished with proper food that they need a massive healthcare system just to deal with the effects of their gluttony....not to mention the then blanket use of antibiotics in everyting and anything because everything they eat has to be practically sterile.......tis sickening to be honest.. palm oil is just one more insult to the planet and never mind the orangutans....it's our own children, the next generations, that are going to pay the true price for it....
The biggest and most immedicate concern are the huge declines in bees and pollinators' numbers, they are dying out in vast vast vast numbers..In (I think it's) SW China there are zero bees to be found so they are having to pollinate by hand and that's proving a total disaster (if not abject failure)...And even though the honey bees get all the media attention, it's the hover flies and other pollinatores that are being wiped out by the prolific use of insecticides, weedkillers and monoculture farming so predominant in most western countries now... but especially the USA, the biggest culprit...
A perfect reply... . Also, rain forest destruction started well before the advent of palm oil...thousands upon thousands of acres being cut down every year just to feed the rapacious greed for meat of just one country...can you guess which one? In other countries there are whole familes living for a week on just one days meat serving for one person from this country and they're perfectly healthy, if not far far healthier in fact.....
It's disgusting imo, that while vast swathes of people die of real genuine hunger and starvation, there is another cohort dying from the starvation of being seriously over-fed with fake processed cheap food but yet stil so under nourished with proper food that they need a massive healthcare system just to deal with the effects of their gluttony....not to mention the then blanket use of antibiotics in everyting and anything because everything they eat has to be practically sterile.......tis sickening to be honest.. palm oil is just one more insult to the planet and never mind the orangutans....it's our own children, the next generations, that are going to pay the true price for it....
The biggest and most immedicate concern are the huge declines in bees and pollinators' numbers, they are dying out in vast vast vast numbers..In (I think it's) SW China there are zero bees to be found so they are having to pollinate by hand and that's proving a total disaster (if not abject failure)...And even though the honey bees get all the media attention, it's the hover flies and other pollinatores that are being wiped out by the prolific use of insecticides, weedkillers and monoculture farming so predominant in most western countries now... but especially the USA, the biggest culprit...
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The notion that there's not enough "planet" to sustain the current population is rubbish. The planet is big enough to support everyone and keep everyone well fed..but look at all the wars being started by the USA and how that's impacting whole countries' ability to feed itself as it had done for generations. And look at all the massive global food producer's foods that are lining the supermarkets....99% of what's in a supermarket isn't food,it's "profit" and mostly inedible imo..but yet so many people will go and buy this junk and worse...feed it to their kids..and then wonder why the same children are suffereing from dreadful illnesses...
if every single person was to eat proper food, in the proper quantities (meat, fish, fruit, veg, salad) and no more..and get a bit of exercise, love a bit more liberally and accept the love of others... .then you'd see a huge decline in fake food induced disease. Most of the modern day diseases are being caused simply by what we're putting in our mouths...Pre WW2 very few doctors knew how to diagnose heart disease...and antibotics weren't even a "thing" pre WW2 , they were only really introduced during WW2 and only in life and death scenarios...now they're even on your chopping boards, in your washing up liquid....even your food...sure it's no wonder everyone's sick these days...
At the current rate of growth (which is exponential btw) we probably are going to get to a point where the population is too much for the planet to sustain. But we'll know when we've hit that point...there'll be no mistaking it..
if every single person was to eat proper food, in the proper quantities (meat, fish, fruit, veg, salad) and no more..and get a bit of exercise, love a bit more liberally and accept the love of others... .then you'd see a huge decline in fake food induced disease. Most of the modern day diseases are being caused simply by what we're putting in our mouths...Pre WW2 very few doctors knew how to diagnose heart disease...and antibotics weren't even a "thing" pre WW2 , they were only really introduced during WW2 and only in life and death scenarios...now they're even on your chopping boards, in your washing up liquid....even your food...sure it's no wonder everyone's sick these days...
At the current rate of growth (which is exponential btw) we probably are going to get to a point where the population is too much for the planet to sustain. But we'll know when we've hit that point...there'll be no mistaking it..
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Tuesday2018: The notion that there's not enough "planet" to sustain the current population is rubbish. The planet is big enough to support everyone and keep everyone well fed..but look at all the wars being started by the USA and how that's impacting whole countries' ability to feed itself as it had done for generations. And look at all the massive global food producer's foods that are lining the supermarkets....99% of what's in a supermarket isn't food,it's "profit" and mostly inedible imo..but yet so many people will go and buy this junk and worse...feed it to their kids..and then wonder why the same children are suffereing from dreadful illnesses...
if every single person was to eat proper food, in the proper quantities (meat, fish, fruit, veg, salad) and no more..and get a bit of exercise, love a bit more liberally and accept the love of others... .then you'd see a huge decline in fake food induced disease. Most of the modern day diseases are being caused simply by what we're putting in our mouths...Pre WW2 very few doctors knew how to diagnose heart disease...and antibotics weren't even a "thing" pre WW2 , they were only really introduced during WW2 and only in life and death scenarios...now they're even on your chopping boards, in your washing up liquid....even your food...sure it's no wonder everyone's sick these days...
At the current rate of growth (which is exponential btw) we probably are going to get to a point where the population is too much for the planet to sustain. But we'll know when we've hit that point...there'll be no mistaking it..
Food security is one of the most important issues on this planet.if every single person was to eat proper food, in the proper quantities (meat, fish, fruit, veg, salad) and no more..and get a bit of exercise, love a bit more liberally and accept the love of others... .then you'd see a huge decline in fake food induced disease. Most of the modern day diseases are being caused simply by what we're putting in our mouths...Pre WW2 very few doctors knew how to diagnose heart disease...and antibotics weren't even a "thing" pre WW2 , they were only really introduced during WW2 and only in life and death scenarios...now they're even on your chopping boards, in your washing up liquid....even your food...sure it's no wonder everyone's sick these days...
At the current rate of growth (which is exponential btw) we probably are going to get to a point where the population is too much for the planet to sustain. But we'll know when we've hit that point...there'll be no mistaking it..
Access to nutritious food is an issue all over the world, not just in countries where there's a perceived shortage.
For as long as we allow corporations to decide what we eat, this will continue.
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Ok I'll be a devils advocate
Firstly for those with big ego please skip this post, for those seeking understanding of an alternative view please read on.
An explanation of our digestive system :
2016 i was medevac out of the mountains with an abdominal aorta aneurysm, a 32 strong surgical team done their thing, three stents were deployed however first attempt one leaked so they went in a second time, i lost lot of blood.
For two week i received intravenous antibiotic's. However the antibiotic's completely stuffed my digestive system.
Over time by trial and error i formulated a diet that didn't just run down my legs over night, an inconvenient disruption to my usual lifestyle...
During the process of working out what i could or could night eat in the main i cooked mutton stew that had lots of silver-beet and other greens in it. In checking issues with completely wrecked digestive system i found understand that gut-leak could kill you.
I researched online
6 Ways to Heal Gut Flora After Antibiotics
6 Ways to Heal Your Gut Flora After Antibiotics.
Clean Up Your Diet. ...
Strengthen the Intestinal Barrier with Collagen. ...
Resistant Starch + Probiotics. ...
Support Your Liver. ...
Hydrate. ...
Take it Easy.
ETC ETC research included advice that food can go through your stomach wall but when big lumps did then you suffered gut Leak. Advice i read included include Palm Oil in your food intake as it protected your stomach wall.
Firstly for those with big ego please skip this post, for those seeking understanding of an alternative view please read on.
An explanation of our digestive system :
2016 i was medevac out of the mountains with an abdominal aorta aneurysm, a 32 strong surgical team done their thing, three stents were deployed however first attempt one leaked so they went in a second time, i lost lot of blood.
For two week i received intravenous antibiotic's. However the antibiotic's completely stuffed my digestive system.
Over time by trial and error i formulated a diet that didn't just run down my legs over night, an inconvenient disruption to my usual lifestyle...
During the process of working out what i could or could night eat in the main i cooked mutton stew that had lots of silver-beet and other greens in it. In checking issues with completely wrecked digestive system i found understand that gut-leak could kill you.
I researched online
6 Ways to Heal Gut Flora After Antibiotics
6 Ways to Heal Your Gut Flora After Antibiotics.
Clean Up Your Diet. ...
Strengthen the Intestinal Barrier with Collagen. ...
Resistant Starch + Probiotics. ...
Support Your Liver. ...
Hydrate. ...
Take it Easy.
ETC ETC research included advice that food can go through your stomach wall but when big lumps did then you suffered gut Leak. Advice i read included include Palm Oil in your food intake as it protected your stomach wall.
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robplum: Ok I'll be a devils advocate
Firstly for those with big ego please skip this post, for those seeking understanding of an alternative view please read on.
An explanation of our digestive system :
2016 i was medevac out of the mountains with an abdominal aorta aneurysm, a 32 strong surgical team done their thing, three stents were deployed however first attempt one leaked so they went in a second time, i lost lot of blood.
For two week i received intravenous antibiotic's. However the antibiotic's completely stuffed my digestive system.
Over time by trial and error i formulated a diet that didn't just run down my legs over night, an inconvenient disruption to my usual lifestyle...
During the process of working out what i could or could night eat in the main i cooked mutton stew that had lots of silver-beet and other greens in it. In checking issues with completely wrecked digestive system i found understand that gut-leak could kill you.
I researched online
6 Ways to Heal Gut Flora After Antibiotics
6 Ways to Heal Your Gut Flora After Antibiotics.
Clean Up Your Diet. ...
Strengthen the Intestinal Barrier with Collagen. ...
Resistant Starch + Probiotics. ...
Support Your Liver. ...
Hydrate. ...
Take it Easy.
ETC ETC research included advice that food can go through your stomach wall but when big lumps did then you suffered gut Leak. Advice i read included include Palm Oil in your food intake as it protected your stomach wall.
Just one dose of antibiotics can upset the gut flora in some people. Firstly for those with big ego please skip this post, for those seeking understanding of an alternative view please read on.
An explanation of our digestive system :
2016 i was medevac out of the mountains with an abdominal aorta aneurysm, a 32 strong surgical team done their thing, three stents were deployed however first attempt one leaked so they went in a second time, i lost lot of blood.
For two week i received intravenous antibiotic's. However the antibiotic's completely stuffed my digestive system.
Over time by trial and error i formulated a diet that didn't just run down my legs over night, an inconvenient disruption to my usual lifestyle...
During the process of working out what i could or could night eat in the main i cooked mutton stew that had lots of silver-beet and other greens in it. In checking issues with completely wrecked digestive system i found understand that gut-leak could kill you.
I researched online
6 Ways to Heal Gut Flora After Antibiotics
6 Ways to Heal Your Gut Flora After Antibiotics.
Clean Up Your Diet. ...
Strengthen the Intestinal Barrier with Collagen. ...
Resistant Starch + Probiotics. ...
Support Your Liver. ...
Hydrate. ...
Take it Easy.
ETC ETC research included advice that food can go through your stomach wall but when big lumps did then you suffered gut Leak. Advice i read included include Palm Oil in your food intake as it protected your stomach wall.
A varied diet of good, preferably raw, fruit and veg amongst other things can help restore it within a short time.
I'm fully convinced that most modern day maladies, both mental and physical, are caused by unhealthy microbiomes
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I realise that the problem is GREED! Same as killing mother orangutans so they can sell the babies as pets (an average of 10 for one baby!).
Elephant tasks... how many elephants have to be killed in order to satisfy some rich man having ivory for decoration in their living room?
I am sure that many people are aware Ooby, but... they prefer to continue wearing blinkers as it is not directly affecting them.
Elephants shouldn't be required to work for peanuts!