China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman. (21)

Mar 18, 2019 6:29 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
Will Beijing replace # 14 a.k.a. Jetsun Jamphel Ngawang Lobsang Yeshe Tenzin Gyatso?

or, will # 14 be the last?
Mar 18, 2019 6:35 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
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galrads: Will Beijing replace # 14 a.k.a. Jetsun Jamphel Ngawang Lobsang Yeshe Tenzin Gyatso?

or, will # 14 be the last?
There's a very good chance he will be the last.
His position has been controversial for many years, with at least one Buddhist traditional going out of their way to heckle and protest whenever he made an appearance outside of India.
Mar 18, 2019 6:36 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
galrads: Will Beijing replace # 14 a.k.a. Jetsun Jamphel Ngawang Lobsang Yeshe Tenzin Gyatso?

or, will # 14 be the last?
Are you serious? confused Beijing CAN NOT pick the Dalai Lama.

Dalai Lama is chosen (or makes himself known) by passing a series of tests.

Interesting stuff.
Mar 18, 2019 6:48 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
Exclusive: Dalai Lama contemplates Chinese gambit after his death


Not dead
Mar 18, 2019 6:49 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
CossackCat: Are you serious? Beijing CAN NOT pick the Dalai Lama.

Dalai Lama is chosen (or makes himself known) by passing a series of tests.

Interesting stuff.
the the US Senate has affirmed and is supporting the right of the Tibetan people to choose the next incarnation of the Dalai Lama for themselves.
Mar 18, 2019 6:57 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
CossackCat: Exclusive: Dalai Lama contemplates Chinese gambit after his death


Not dead
yes, # 14 is still alive and controversial. China investing billions in attempts to control and pick # 15. Sidhartha where are you? wave
Mar 18, 2019 6:59 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
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CossackCat: Exclusive: Dalai Lama contemplates Chinese gambit after his death


Not dead
From the article....

"China considers Dalai Lama's reincarnation as something very important. They have more concern about the next Dalai Lama than me," said the Dalai Lama, swathed in his traditional red robes and yellow scarf.
He said the role of the Dalai Lama after his death, including whether to keep it, could be discussed during a meeting of Tibetan Buddhists in India later this year.

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There is a strong belief in Tibet that he will indeed be the last Dali Lama, regardless of the Chinese government say.
Mar 18, 2019 7:19 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
(8:25) How the Dalai Lama is Chosen
He is found

Apparently he is THREATENING not to reincarnate. If he does, he may not come as human. And if he does it will be in a FREE country. So most likely in India, Nepal or Bhutan. With a similar culture.
(Not Tibet). And says he wants or has a council of Buddhist scholars to talk to before, before he make a decision (before) his death.
It can take 3-4 years to find the new Dalai Lama
Mar 18, 2019 7:23 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
CossackCat: Are you serious? Beijing CAN NOT pick the Dalai Lama.

Dalai Lama is chosen (or makes himself known) by passing a series of tests.

Interesting stuff.
HH Dalai Lama was first named Dalai Lama by the third Panchen Lama, "Ensapa Lobsang Döndrup" (1505–1568) a Tibetan Buddhist religious leader of that time. "Ensapa Lobsang Döndrup" was posthumously recognized as the third Panchen Lama.

The Chinese think they understand Buddhism, I understand chinese president is married to a tibetan born lady the Chinese don't even practice Mahayana Buddhism never lone understand it.
The Chinese murdered the 10th Panchen Lama and then they kidnapped his incarnation when he was aged six years old reincarnate Gedhun Choekyi, the 11th Panchen Lama they have disappeared Gedhun Choekyi and his Father and Mother / family to.


The totally crazy Chinese communist government has appointed a panchen lama of there choosing which is quite crazy stuff....very crazy...because...

The 14th Dalai Lama is / has the continuous mind-stream of first Dalai Lama. HH Dalai Lama who is head of the Tibetan Mahayana school of Buddhism that was first was taken to Tibet by Athisha see:
The Life of Atisha



Please feel free to explore:


I disagree Bodleing2 As the Dalai Lama is 14th incarnation protector of the four schools of the Mahayana Tibetan Tradition and one loose group outside the four schools disputes an point that the Dalai Lama disagrees with there interpretation, its quite simple they do not represent any of the four schools of Tibetan Buddhism full stop.
Mar 18, 2019 7:41 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
galrads: the the US Senate has affirmed and is supporting the right of the Tibetan people to choose the next incarnation of the Dalai Lama for themselves.
Think about that. How sad is that? How is it any of our buisness or any country's? Every damn thing is political. Every damn thing the entire planet thinks they have a say in.
Maybe we should ask North Korea who they thing the next pope will be or if this is the last one? < sarcasm frustrated
Mar 18, 2019 7:51 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
bodleing2: There's a very good chance he will be the last.
His position has been controversial for many years, with at least one Buddhist traditional going out of their way to heckle and protest whenever he made an appearance outside of India.
Could be the last one. If 75% of Buddhists think they don't need one.
Also this Dali Lahma, was not born in Tibet, he was born in India (so probable resentment or racism, nationalism, jealousy or political motives.. or all the above).
Also this Dali Lahma, is anti mass Imigration and said (paraphrasing), there could be peace on Earth if not for Islam.
He is also on a committee formed by the Pope of Rome to unite in a one world religion #OWR & #NWO. So he is controversial
Mar 18, 2019 7:52 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
robplum: HH Dalai Lama was first named Dalai Lama by the third Panchen Lama, "Ensapa Lobsang Döndrup" (1505–1568) a Tibetan Buddhist religious leader of that time. "Ensapa Lobsang Döndrup" was posthumously recognized as the third Panchen Lama.

The Chinese think they understand Buddhism, I understand chinese president is married to a tibetan born lady the Chinese don't even practice Mahayana Buddhism never lone understand it.
The Chinese murdered the 10th Panchen Lama and then they kidnapped his incarnation when he was aged six years old reincarnate Gedhun Choekyi, the 11th Panchen Lama they have disappeared Gedhun Choekyi and his Father and Mother / family to.


The totally crazy Chinese communist government has appointed a panchen lama of there choosing which is quite crazy stuff....very crazy...because...

The 14th Dalai Lama is / has the continuous mind-stream of first Dalai Lama. HH Dalai Lama who is head of the Tibetan Mahayana school of Buddhism that was first was taken to Tibet by Athisha see:
The Life of Atisha



Please feel free to explore:


I disagree Bodleing2 As the Dalai Lama is 14th incarnation protector of the four schools of the Mahayana Tibetan Tradition and one loose group outside the four schools disputes an point that the Dalai Lama disagrees with there interpretation, its quite simple they do not represent any of the four schools of Tibetan Buddhism full stop.
Thanks for the links thumbs up
Mar 18, 2019 7:54 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
galrads: Sidhartha where are you?
bouquet
Mar 18, 2019 7:59 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand2,298 Posts
CossackCat: Are you serious? Beijing CAN NOT pick the Dalai Lama.

Dalai Lama is chosen (or makes himself known) by passing a series of tests.
Beijing are already picking Catholic bishops. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they "endorse" a competing candidate for Dalai Lama, leading perhaps to having two competing claimants.
Mar 18, 2019 8:01 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
bodleing2online today!
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robplum: HH Dalai Lama was first named Dalai Lama by the third Panchen Lama, "Ensapa Lobsang Döndrup" (1505–1568) a Tibetan Buddhist religious leader of that time. "Ensapa Lobsang Döndrup" was posthumously recognized as the third Panchen Lama.

The Chinese think they understand Buddhism, I understand chinese president is married to a tibetan born lady the Chinese don't even practice Mahayana Buddhism never lone understand it.
The Chinese murdered the 10th Panchen Lama and then they kidnapped his incarnation when he was aged six years old reincarnate Gedhun Choekyi, the 11th Panchen Lama they have disappeared Gedhun Choekyi and his Father and Mother / family to.


The totally crazy Chinese communist government has appointed a panchen lama of there choosing which is quite crazy stuff....very crazy...because...

The 14th Dalai Lama is / has the continuous mind-stream of first Dalai Lama. HH Dalai Lama who is head of the Tibetan Mahayana school of Buddhism that was first was taken to Tibet by Athisha see:
The Life of Atisha



Please feel free to explore:


I disagree Bodleing2 As the Dalai Lama is 14th incarnation protector of the four schools of the Mahayana Tibetan Tradition and one loose group outside the four schools disputes an point that the Dalai Lama disagrees with there interpretation, its quite simple they do not represent any of the four schools of Tibetan Buddhism full stop.
It was the Dali Lama himself who said the Chinese were more concerned about the next Dali Lama than he was.

I, from what I've read consider Atisha to be the real saviour of Buddhism.

Of course the loose group you speak of, the NKT, are very much outcasts from the other traditions. But what confuses me is. didnt Lama Yeshe, the original inspiration and guide of the FPMT rely on Protector Dorje Shugden his whole life?
There's no doubt the NKT are by far the fastest growing tradition, certainly in the west, I have stayed at there centres a few time, but I keep getting drawn back to my local Tibetan centre, Kagyu Ling, where I originally took refuge.
Mar 18, 2019 8:24 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
charles_nz: Beijing are already picking Catholic bishops. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they "endorse" a competing candidate for Dalai Lama, leading perhaps to having two competing claimants.
Aaacch!! help Scary
I don't like the idea of one culture interfering with another, it is too risky that one will be lost or replaced. (Despite the fact that it happens all the time).

In there does end up being two. uh oh Then only obedient Chinese citizens will acknowledge the usurper. But the Buddists will stick together, with traditional tests or vote of the other high Lamas. IMO
Mar 18, 2019 8:48 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
bodleing2: It was the Dali Lama himself who said the Chinese were more concerned about the next Dali Lama than he was.

I, from what I've read consider Atisha to be the real saviour of Buddhism.

Of course the loose group you speak of, the NKT, are very much outcasts from the other traditions. But what confuses me is. didnt Lama Yeshe, the original inspiration and guide of the FPMT rely on Protector Dorje Shugden his whole life?
There's no doubt the NKT are by far the fastest growing tradition, certainly in the west, I have stayed at there centres a few time, but I keep getting drawn back to my local Tibetan centre, Kagyu Ling, where I originally took refuge.
Kamapa Lama will be standing in for HHDL while he passes through the Bardo or whatever he chooses to do,


As you are likely aware HH Karmapa Lama's linage precedes HHDL linage,
HH Karmapa linage goes all the way back to the time the third Buddha appeared on earth Shakyamuni Buddha.
A brief look at the background of who the Shakyamuni Buddha was, the major events of his life, and the incredible legacy that he left behind for the world with the creation of Buddhism.







I dunno its to complicated
Today’s Controversy
in part
Today’s controversy surrounding the deity refers to a particular brand of Gelugpa exclusivism that emerged in Central and Eastern Tibet during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, where the deity was considered to demarcate the boundaries of Gelugpa religious practice, especially in opposition to the growing of Rimé, literally “non-sectarian”. Many Gelugpas, as well as many Kagyupas, Sakyapas and Nyingmapas, began to follow the ideas of the Rimé movement, but conservative Gelugpas, especially Pabongkha Rinpoche, became concerned over the “purity” of the Gelug school and opposed the ideas of Rimé. Pabongkha Rinpoche established instead a special Gelug exclusivism. Different sources state that disciples of Pabongkha Rinpoche destroyed Nyingma monasteries or converted them to Gelug monasteries and destroyed statues of Padmasambhava.
Mar 18, 2019 9:04 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand2,298 Posts
CossackCat: Aaacch!! Scary
I don't like the idea of one culture interfering with another, it is too risky that one will be lost or replaced. (Despite the fact that it happens all the time).

In there does end up being two. Then only obedient Chinese citizens will acknowledge the usurper. But the Buddists will stick together, with traditional tests or vote of the other high Lamas. IMO
The government in Beijing have no business interfering in the selection of the Dalai Lama.

Actually, they have no business being in Tibet at all.

But since when did that ever stop them?
Mar 19, 2019 2:31 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
bodleing2online today!
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bodleing2: from what I've read consider Atisha to be the real saviour of Buddhism..
I meant to mention, I did a four day residential course on Atisha, mainly studying Lam Rim.
That was when I began to think, maybe Buddism wouldn't have had the same influence without Atisha's work around the end of the first century.
Mar 19, 2019 4:58 PM CST China Investing. Who will replace the Dali Lahma 14. # 15 reincarnation possibly a woman.
Atisha complicated his studies in Sumatra in Indonesia before returning to India the taught in Tibet.

TsongKhapa understood Atisha's teaching and TsongKhapa activities led to the formation of the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism.
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