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Bogart_1960: mine is better.
just saying
just saying
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Bogart_1960: ah, those poor bureaucrats.. they are blamed for everything..
lets go back to cult/religion.. I need help to clarify my "bad English"
Scientology - cult or religion?
Jones/ People’s Temple - cult or religion?
Mormonism- cult or religion ?
Christianity is a religion or spirituality?
I am trying to clean the house after a day of sunshine, gardening and baking so don't have much time for theological discussionlets go back to cult/religion.. I need help to clarify my "bad English"
Scientology - cult or religion?
Jones/ People’s Temple - cult or religion?
Mormonism- cult or religion ?
Christianity is a religion or spirituality?
Your English is absolutely fine
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Bogart_1960: ah, those poor bureaucrats.. they are blamed for everything..
Only the stuff we find out about, to be fair. They deserve a lot more blame than they get.Bogart_1960: lets go back to cult/religion.. I need help to clarify my "bad English"
Scientology - cult or religion?
Cult.Scientology - cult or religion?
Bogart_1960: Jones/ People’s Temple - cult or religion?
Cult.Bogart_1960: Mormonism- cult or religion ?
Cult.Bogart_1960: Christianity is a religion or spirituality?
Ah, if by Christianity you mean the actual teachings of the Christ, then Christianity is spiritual and there are several "religions" that are based on Christian spiritual principles.In my experience, there are two kinds of Christians: Those who aren't very good at it, and those who worry they are not good at it. It's the same with people: Two kinds--those of low character--and those who judge themSELVES harshly. (Your mileage may vary.)
The last decade has destroyed all of my "religious leanings". I have determined that religions are voodoo: They posit that people can be "saved" (from what is unspecified) by engaging in certain rituals. While rituals can be used to raise one's passion and chi resonance, (and that was their primitive purpose) in order to project coherently that energy towards manifesting an outcome, most folk end up relying on the ritual itself for salvation and do not understand, in the first place, what salvation is. Salvation is deliverance from suffering--and, of it, the dead have no need. Santé and Happy Saturday.
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mollybaby: I am trying to clean the house after a day of sunshine, gardening and baking so don't have much time for theological discussion
Your English is absolutely fine
snap Molly i am knackered now though but feel good factor. will do for another year now Your English is absolutely fine
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mollybaby: I am trying to clean the house after a day of sunshine, gardening and baking so don't have much time for theological discussion
Your English is absolutely fine
oh... my spirituality is in shock .I have to order cookies. Your English is absolutely fine
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Cult or sect is more accurate...
A cult is where the worshippers believe the guy giving the sermon or leader is the embodiement of power or mythical force.
A sect is where a group of people gather together to worship an absent mythical power or force, together.
So things like Jim Jones, are cults.
Protestants, catholics, Jews, evangelists etc. are sects.
It gets a bit weird with scientologists, mormons, Jehovas witness etc. because they kind of have elements of both.
A cult is where the worshippers believe the guy giving the sermon or leader is the embodiement of power or mythical force.
A sect is where a group of people gather together to worship an absent mythical power or force, together.
So things like Jim Jones, are cults.
Protestants, catholics, Jews, evangelists etc. are sects.
It gets a bit weird with scientologists, mormons, Jehovas witness etc. because they kind of have elements of both.
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CailinCallaghan: Only the stuff we find out about, to be fair. They deserve a lot more blame than they get.
Cult.
Cult.
Cult.
Ah, if by Christianity you mean the actual teachings of the Christ, then Christianity is spiritual and there are several "religions" that are based on Christian spiritual principles. -
In my experience, there are two kinds of Christians: Those who aren't very good at it, and those who worry they are not good at it. It's the same with people: Two kinds--those of low character--and those who judge themSELVES harshly. (Your mileage may vary.)
The last decade has destroyed all of my "religious leanings". I have determined that religions are voodoo: They posit that people can be "saved" (from what is unspecified) by engaging in certain rituals. While rituals can be used to raise one's passion and chi resonance, (and that was their primitive purpose) in order to project coherently that energy towards manifesting an outcome, most folk end up relying on the ritual itself for salvation and do not understand, in the first place, what salvation is. Salvation is deliverance from suffering--and, of it, the dead have no need. Santé and Happy Saturday.
define cult /religion. and what makes them spiritual Cult.
Cult.
Cult.
Ah, if by Christianity you mean the actual teachings of the Christ, then Christianity is spiritual and there are several "religions" that are based on Christian spiritual principles. -
The last decade has destroyed all of my "religious leanings". I have determined that religions are voodoo: They posit that people can be "saved" (from what is unspecified) by engaging in certain rituals. While rituals can be used to raise one's passion and chi resonance, (and that was their primitive purpose) in order to project coherently that energy towards manifesting an outcome, most folk end up relying on the ritual itself for salvation and do not understand, in the first place, what salvation is. Salvation is deliverance from suffering--and, of it, the dead have no need. Santé and Happy Saturday.
also why only 2 types of Christians? those more or less fits where?
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my 2 cents: any group becomes dangerous when they take advantage of vulnerable people. there can be a lot of manipulation carried out under the guise of religion.
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donal63: started qite intelligent,then brought religion into it
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Palmfrond: my 2 cents: any group becomes dangerous when they take advantage of vulnerable people. there can be a lot of manipulation carried out under the guise of religion.
That's as good a description as any 
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EXRED: snap Molly i am knackered now though but feel good factor. will do for another year now
I have a load to do yet, before collecting groceries and delivering them to my dad.When the dun shines though, indoor activity gets overthrown by outdoor
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Bogart_1960: define cult /religion. and what makes them spiritual
Thank you for asking. Cult members display excessive/unhealthy devotion to a leader or object whom/which they believe can "save" them.Religious folks look to a hypothetical unseen omniscient being to save them (usually after death, from a possible encounter with/in a future hell). They often have priests who act as advanced guides or intermediaries between the unseen omniscient being and the aspirants.
Spirituality knows that the only salvation is the one that is present now. It is the only one that can end suffering now--and now is all there is--ever. Dead people aren't suffering. Only the people yet in world are suffering. Spirituality teaches how to escape that suffering in the NOW.
These are all just my opinions and my experience. I do not suffer, though I am in physical pain. I have not suffered since 2007--and it was a spiritual insight that freed me. Hence, my emphasis on the spiritual/real and present salvation correlation.
Religions and cults are externally directed. Spirituality is internal and is a coming into truthful and fearlessly candid inner dialogue with the higher self -- your/our constant companion and guide who always quietly encourages us to "Be courageous and do the right thing". Without this loving, trusting and honest relationship with the higher self, religion devolves into voodoo: a belief that rituals themselves can "save".
Bogart_1960: also why only 2 types of Christians? those more or less fits where?
The Christians who worry they are not very good at being Christian are in inner dialogue with the higher self. Which is why they worry. If you're honest with yourself, one has to admit where one is not doing their best and then address those failing in order to enjoy the inner peace that is the point of spiritual practice.) The ones who are not worried (and not very good at being Christian) are ignorantly practicing voodoo. Faith without deeds may seem empty, but deeds without the inner dialogue (with the higher self that prompts the deeds) are absolutely venal: Useless--like praying the rosary without paying any attention to the words you are uttering.
Again, all of this is just my opinion and everyone else opinion is as valid for them as mine is for me. So far as I can see, mine works better. I'm not suffering, and (mostly) they are.
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michaelright: there's a lot of priest's and saints about here...
i,know I'm one of them
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donal63: i,know I'm one of them
bless me father for I have never sinned...------ This thread is Archived ------
michaelright: bless me father for I have never sinned...
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donal63: me neither
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irish78eyes: Nor me
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I'm totally innocent,at least,that's what the judge and jury told me!!
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so many people comes with different teachings:what they have heared or learned about religion or something else.and so they think they speak good or teach right or speak right but are so wrong.
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