Coronovirus 19 may never go away. ( Archived) (65)

Aug 25, 2020 6:35 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
The 33-year-old-man arrived by plane in Hong Kong on August 15. After disembarking, he headed to one of the airport’s covid-19 testing stations. Someone swabbed his throat, and then he waited for the results.

The man had come down with the coronavirus in March, suffered fever and headaches, and spent two weeks in a hospital. So he probably didn’t expect to test positive again just 142 days later.

But he did. Was it the original infection lingering in his body or had he caught the virus again, something no one had ever shown was possible?

Scientists at Hong Kong University say they have the answer. On the basis of a genomic analysis of the virus, they say the man got covid-19 a second time, and are calling his case “the first instance of human reinfection” with the novel coronavirus.

The discovery that immunity wears off, if confirmed, could change the math on the pandemic in profound ways. It would mean that surviving the virus is no guarantee of lifelong immunity, that people might have to get vaccinated every year, and that even survivors will still need to wear masks and follow rules on social distancing.

Most of all, it could mean the coronavirus might strike again and again, never really going away.

“Our findings suggest that SARS-CoV-2 may persist in the global human population as is the case for other common-cold-associated human coronaviruses,” Kwok-Yung Yuen, Kelvin Kai-Wang To, and Ivan Fan-Ngai Hung, all professors at Hong Kong University’s medical school, said in a signed statement obtained by the South China Morning Post.

Previously, some people in Japan and elsewhere had tested positive twice for the virus weeks apart, but doctors had concluded that those results were due to test errors or lingering infection.

Researchers in Hong Kong, however, believe that their gene analysis proves this man caught the virus a second time.

Because the virus has gradually mutated as it spreads around the globe, different strains have unique genetic fingerprints. When the Hong Kong researchers compared the genetic sequences of the virus that sickened him in March and the one he had in August, they found differences at 24 positions.

“The team showed that the genome sequence of the virus strain in the first episode of COVID-19 infection is clearly different from the genome sequence of the virus strain found during the second episode of infection,” according to the Hong Kong University statement.

It’s known that four common coronaviruses, which cause colds, frequently reinfect people, sometimes within months. That, along with data showing that antibodies to the new virus fade with time, had previously led some scientists to predict that immunity to SARS-CoV-2 would follow a similar pattern.

If true, it is unlikely that herd immunity can eliminate the virus entirely, according to a copy of the case report posted by Chinese media, since people will constantly be losing their immunity, perhaps after a few months.

That doesn’t mean the virus will remain the danger it is today. People who’ve been infected, or vaccinated, might have fewer symptoms the second or third time around. Some coronavirus experts have suggested that on reinfection the covid-19 germ will stay in the upper airway, causing sniffles, rather than penetrating the lungs to cause pneumonia.

At least in the case of the Hong Kong man, his second infection wasn’t nearly as bad as his first. Doctors say he didn’t show any symptoms of being sick at all.
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Aug 25, 2020 7:16 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
Second opinion please ...

Everyone can make up a 'scare story' to convince people to be vaccinated ...

Unless all the research in several different countries agree to one 'story' or another I shall observe quietly who might be manipulating whom and for what reason!

When not 2 countries agree and not 2 countries publish the same scientific info about a 'virus' it leaves only questions ... until they are answered no point in 3xchang8ng ifs and buts stories and predictions ...

Btw the inventor of the CPR test has said that his test only measures antibodies of a covid and flu' type and NOT whether someone has Covid 19....
So anyone testing positive might have Covid 19 and be contagious OR they might have had it and are now recovered and carrying the antibodies OR they had the flu' or they had one of the other covids and are now carrying the antibodies ...
So according to the above, if they used a CPR test, according to its inventor, in Hong Kong they've measured the guys antibodies and not his 'covid illness' ...

Coherence from the authorities worldwide is essential but doesn't seem to be forthcoming
sigh
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Aug 25, 2020 7:22 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
First time around could be worse than flu, the second time he didn't even notice. How badly you react the first time gives a rough idea of how susceptible you are to catching it again although it'll be less than a flu by then.
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Aug 25, 2020 7:31 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Selenite: Second opinion please ...

Everyone can make up a 'scare story' to convince people to be vaccinated ...

Unless all the research in several different countries agree to one 'story' or another I shall observe quietly who might be manipulating whom and for what reason!

When not 2 countries agree and not 2 countries publish the same scientific info about a 'virus' it leaves only questions ... until they are answered no point in 3xchang8ng ifs and buts stories and predictions ...

Btw the inventor of the CPR test has said that his test only measures antibodies of a covid and flu' type and NOT whether someone has Covid 19....
So anyone testing positive might have Covid 19 and be contagious OR they might have had it and are now recovered and carrying the antibodies OR they had the flu' or they had one of the other covids and are now carrying the antibodies ...
So according to the above, if they used a CPR test, according to its inventor, in Hong Kong they've measured the guys antibodies and not his 'covid illness' ...

Coherence from the authorities worldwide is essential but doesn't seem to be forthcoming
The authour

Articles by Antonio Regalado | MIT Technology Review
› author › antonio-regalado
Senior editor, biomedicine. I am the senior editor for biomedicine for MIT Technology Review. I look for stories about how technology is changing medicine and biomedical research.
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Aug 25, 2020 9:32 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
Thanks for sharing the reference...
it makes no difference what 'credentials' people have if the people with 'credentials' from several different countries don't agree on the scientific information that their credentials is supposed to support...
If their medical credentials are to be respected as meaning 'the truth' based on scientific evidence then surely the scientific evidence should demonstrate the same info to all the professionals with credentials and it follows they should be publishing the same information to the public...

Interestingly enough, all these medical professionals with credentials don't agree with one another. The question is who's influencing their 'research' and or opinion and to what end?
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Aug 25, 2020 9:40 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Selenite: Second opinion please ...

Everyone can make up a 'scare story' to convince people to be vaccinated ...

perhaps you could explain tp me how people would be persuaded to take s vaccine if the virus keeps coming back, i don't see your logic, if any that, a constantly recurring virus, that comes back and can't be put to sleep, will not stop for a vaccine, in this case it wouldn.t work. hence the virus will never go away.

Or didn't you thin that far.
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Aug 25, 2020 9:40 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
Dedovix
DedovixDedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia12 Threads 1 Polls 5,492 Posts
So...
cremation or coffin ,
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Aug 25, 2020 9:42 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Dedovix: So...
cremation or coffin ,
Bottle of whisky and g/flaugh
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Aug 25, 2020 9:48 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
tomcatty: perhaps you could explain tp me how people would be persuaded to take s vaccine if the virus keeps coming back, i don't see your logic, if any that, a constantly recurring virus, that comes back and can't be put to sleep, will not stop for a vaccine, in this case it wouldn.t work. hence the virus will never go away.

Or didn't you thin that far.
My logic worked along different lines to yours...
If humans can't develop 'heard immunity' by the antibodies protecting 'forever' that's when people will feel the fear of becoming ill with it or 'catching it again' and that's when people can easily be convinced to be vaccinated ...

The logic has always been
Step 1 'get population to feel fear'
Step 2 'make them 'beg' for something that is total loss of freedom but their fear makes them see it as protection, like cameras everywhere, a vaccin that's hardly been tested etc ...
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Aug 25, 2020 10:13 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Selenite: My logic worked along different lines to yours...
If humans can't develop 'heard immunity' by the antibodies protecting 'forever' that's when people will feel the fear of becoming ill with it or 'catching it again' and that's when people can easily be convinced to be vaccinated ...

The logic has always been
Step 1 'get population to feel fear'
Step 2 'make them 'beg' for something that is total loss of freedom but their fear makes them see it as protection, like cameras everywhere, a vaccin that's hardly been tested etc ...
never argue with a womans logic, you'fr wrong even when you're right, what have you got against vaccines, thay have worked well for many ilnesses, crradicating many illnessesdunno
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Aug 25, 2020 10:49 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
someone stands to make a Heap Of Moolah,even if the Vaccine is only partial successful!uh oh
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Aug 25, 2020 10:51 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
LeeCharming
LeeCharmingLeeCharmingCardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK537 Threads 273 Polls 6,941 Posts
Selenite: Apart from the fact I don't use terms like fascism I agree with most of what you say Lee ...
Did you always think this way...since the lockdown...or did something change your mindconfused
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Aug 25, 2020 10:52 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
AI_1984
AI_1984AI_1984Pueblo del Mar, Murcia Spain12 Threads 769 Posts
Selenite: My logic worked along different lines to yours...
If humans can't develop 'heard immunity' by the antibodies protecting 'forever' that's when people will feel the fear of becoming ill with it or 'catching it again' and that's when people can easily be convinced to be vaccinated ...

The logic has always been
Step 1 'get population to feel fear'
Step 2 'make them 'beg' for something that is total loss of freedom but their fear makes them see it as protection, like cameras everywhere, a vaccin that's hardly been tested etc ...
Exactly!! De acuerdo! thumbs up
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Aug 25, 2020 10:53 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
tomcatty: Iagree but if a vaccine becomes viable and proved to be effective, you have a choice, take the vaccine or die, any back sliders should be given a choice, the vaccine or permanent personal lockdown. No excuses .
Again my logic differs from yours ...

If vaccins are sooopo effective then why should vaccinated people be so afraid of those who aren't?
Surely if the virus is so deadly and vaccins are so brilliant then vaccinated people will lead a joyous healthy life and the unvaccinated ones will pass on the deadly virus to one another and die off little by little

Surely it should be those who are in fear who should lock themselves down... so no need to lock them up else they won't be able to contaminate one another and live forever unvaccinated! Perish the thought! laugh
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Aug 25, 2020 10:54 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
LeeCharming
LeeCharmingLeeCharmingCardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK537 Threads 273 Polls 6,941 Posts
Conrad73: someone stands to make a Heap Of Moolah,even if the Vaccine is only partial successful!
What does bill gates put in his deadly vaccineswow
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Aug 25, 2020 10:55 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
Conrad73: someone stands to make a Heap Of Moolah,even if the Vaccine is only partial successful!
Yep!
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Aug 25, 2020 10:55 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
LeeCharming
LeeCharmingLeeCharmingCardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK537 Threads 273 Polls 6,941 Posts
AI_1984: Exactly!! De acuerdo!
She really surprised me to be honestshock wink
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Aug 25, 2020 10:58 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
LeeCharming: Did you always think this way...since the lockdown...or did something change your mind
I was talking about that particular post about the virus and the general manipulation of humans, not in general...
As you know we don't agree on gender roles, values and the definition of respect ..
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Aug 25, 2020 10:58 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
AI_1984
AI_1984AI_1984Pueblo del Mar, Murcia Spain12 Threads 769 Posts
tomcatty: Iagree but if a vaccine becomes viable and proved to be effective, you have a choice, take the vaccine or die, any back sliders should be given a choice, the vaccine or permanent personal lockdown. No excuses .
And how long will it take to find out if it IS effective?

And how long will it take to find out if it has caused some permanent damage and for the side effects to show up????uh oh
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Aug 25, 2020 11:01 AM CST Coronovirus 19 may never go away.
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
LeeCharming: Did you always think this way...since the lockdown...or did something change your mind
I have thought this way about the manipulation of humans by the powers that be since the Twin Towers 'went down' followed by the 'Iraq so called war'
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