Prince Andrew demands (154)
tomcatty: She should not sully his name, he hasn't been convicted yet, except by like minded women.
She didn't .He's done that all on his own. Why do you think he has been disowned by the Royal Family.?Get a grip for goodness sake and stop putting all women in brackets.
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Tiger_Moth: No comparison for goodness sake
Monica Lewinsky was 22 and working at the White House when involved with Bill Clinton Probably used and abused though.
I think she was of the same ilk as that scaelett womanMonica Lewinsky was 22 and working at the White House when involved with Bill Clinton Probably used and abused though.
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tomcatty: I think she was of the same ilk as that scaelett woman
Your opinion naturally. Label her along with the young girls trafficked if that's what you think but Lewinsky made a mistake, the consensus came to be, but that was no excuse for the way the world humiliated her. People should be allowed to make mistakes when they’re 22 without becoming the object of vicious scorn the way she did.
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I would maybe be willing to forgive Tom if he had not denied all.
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Tiger_Moth: Your opinion naturally.
Label her along with the young girls trafficked if that's what you think but Lewinsky made a mistake, the consensus came to be, but that was no excuse for the way the world humiliated her. People should be allowed to make mistakes when they’re 22 without becoming the object of vicious scorn the way she did.
O so Lewinsky just made a mistake, or maybe she missed breafast Label her along with the young girls trafficked if that's what you think but Lewinsky made a mistake, the consensus came to be, but that was no excuse for the way the world humiliated her. People should be allowed to make mistakes when they’re 22 without becoming the object of vicious scorn the way she did.
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tomcatty: She should not sully his name, he hasn't been convicted yet, except by like minded women.
That's precisely exemplifies the point I made.Your objecton is based upon your perception of Guiffre's attack is on the fabric of society, epitomosed by challenging the behaviour of a British monarch.
If it helps, remember the Royal family have kicked Andrew out and no longer want him to represent them, or the establishment.
We can still be jolly decent Britsh citizens, if not more so, if our core principles are upheld. The Queen understands that, which is why she sent him packing. The monarchy is nothing if it doesn't uphold it's duty to serve it's citizenry and that's more important than any individual royal personage.
It was one of her bones of contention wth Diana. She strongly held the opinon that crowds cheered the instituton, not herself as an indvidual: she thought the personal fulfilment she perceived Diana reaping from her popularity as inappropriate.
Personally, I think Diana did rather well at representing the monarchy and herself as a human being, but Andrew appears to have done neither.
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jac_the_gripper: That's precisely exemplifies the point I made.
Your objecton is based upon your perception of Guiffre's attack is on the fabric of society, epitomosed by challenging the behaviour of a British monarch.
If it helps, remember the Royal family have kicked Andrew out and no longer want him to represent them, or the establishment.
We can still be jolly decent Britsh citizens, if not more so, if our core principles are upheld. The Queen understands that, which is why she sent him packing. The monarchy is nothing if it doesn't uphold it's duty to serve it's citizenry and that's more important than any individual royal personage.
It was one of her bones of contention wth Diana. She strongly held the opinon that crowds cheered the instituton, not herself as an indvidual: she thought the personal fulfilment she perceived Diana reaping from her popularity as inappropriate.
Personally, I think Diana did rather well at representing the monarchy and herself as a human being, but Andrew appears to have done neither.
Your objecton is based upon your perception of Guiffre's attack is on the fabric of society, epitomosed by challenging the behaviour of a British monarch.
If it helps, remember the Royal family have kicked Andrew out and no longer want him to represent them, or the establishment.
We can still be jolly decent Britsh citizens, if not more so, if our core principles are upheld. The Queen understands that, which is why she sent him packing. The monarchy is nothing if it doesn't uphold it's duty to serve it's citizenry and that's more important than any individual royal personage.
It was one of her bones of contention wth Diana. She strongly held the opinon that crowds cheered the instituton, not herself as an indvidual: she thought the personal fulfilment she perceived Diana reaping from her popularity as inappropriate.
Personally, I think Diana did rather well at representing the monarchy and herself as a human being, but Andrew appears to have done neither.
jac_the_gripper: That's precisely exemplifies the point I made.
Your objecton is based upon your perception of Guiffre's attack is on the fabric of society, epitomosed by challenging the behaviour of a British monarch.
If it helps, remember the Royal family have kicked Andrew out and no longer want him to represent them, or the establishment.
We can still be jolly decent Britsh citizens, if not more so, if our core principles are upheld. The Queen understands that, which is why she sent him packing. The monarchy is nothing if it doesn't uphold it's duty to serve it's citizenry and that's more important than any individual royal personage.
It was one of her bones of contention wth Diana. She strongly held the opinon that crowds cheered the instituton, not herself as an indvidual: she thought the personal fulfilment she perceived Diana reaping from her popularity as inappropriate.
Personally, I think Diana did rather well at representing the monarchy and herself as a human being, but Andrew appears to have done neither.
You seem to overlook the facts, that he served the country on the frontYour objecton is based upon your perception of Guiffre's attack is on the fabric of society, epitomosed by challenging the behaviour of a British monarch.
If it helps, remember the Royal family have kicked Andrew out and no longer want him to represent them, or the establishment.
We can still be jolly decent Britsh citizens, if not more so, if our core principles are upheld. The Queen understands that, which is why she sent him packing. The monarchy is nothing if it doesn't uphold it's duty to serve it's citizenry and that's more important than any individual royal personage.
It was one of her bones of contention wth Diana. She strongly held the opinon that crowds cheered the instituton, not herself as an indvidual: she thought the personal fulfilment she perceived Diana reaping from her popularity as inappropriate.
Personally, I think Diana did rather well at representing the monarchy and herself as a human being, but Andrew appears to have done neither.
line in battle. and supported the monarchy, when things went against them.
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tomcatty: You seem to overlook the facts, that he served the country on the front
line in battle. and supported the monarchy, when things went against them.
Yes, I had completely overlooked that.line in battle. and supported the monarchy, when things went against them.
Perhaps it might come up as part of a character reference if there's a criminal penalty situation in the future.
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tomcatty: You seem to overlook the facts, that he served the country on the front
line in battle. and supported the monarchy, when things went against them.
You seem to have overlooked the fact that it was a senior member of the Armed forces that told him to step down from his military duties.line in battle. and supported the monarchy, when things went against them.
Colonel Tim Collins, an Iraq War veteran, said the Duke of York should 'jump before he is pushed' out of the roles, potentially by The Queen.
He is believed to be the most senior military figure so far to urge Andrew to step down.
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Tiger_Moth: ...... urge Andrew to step down.
And why did thy want him out of there(?), for us who don't have a phd in the english royals.
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Tiger_Moth: You seem to have overlooked the fact that it was a senior member of the Armed forces that told him to step down from his military duties.
Colonel Tim Collins, an Iraq War veteran, said the Duke of York should 'jump before he is pushed' out of the roles, potentially by The Queen.
He is believed to be the most senior military figure so far to urge Andrew to step down.
You make a lot of noise for an empty red drumColonel Tim Collins, an Iraq War veteran, said the Duke of York should 'jump before he is pushed' out of the roles, potentially by The Queen.
He is believed to be the most senior military figure so far to urge Andrew to step down.
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tomcatty: You make a lot of noise for an empty red drum
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Tiger_Moth: No comparison for goodness sake
Monica Lewinsky was 22 and working at the White House when involved with Bill Clinton Probably used and abused though.
Monica Lewinsky flirted with several upper tier White House male staff— George Stephanopolis had one of his administrative assistants order her to stop pestering him. There are several photos of her deliberately cozying up to Clinton. She is/was NOT an innocent. If we’re going to discuss these kinds of things, let’s be completely fair and unbiased.Monica Lewinsky was 22 and working at the White House when involved with Bill Clinton Probably used and abused though.
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Why British are impregnating women in USA?
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Grandsiozzie: red rum....
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RED RUM...
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RED RUUMM!!
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Tiger_Moth: Your opinion naturally.
Label her along with the young girls trafficked if that's what you think but Lewinsky made a mistake, the consensus came to be, but that was no excuse for the way the world humiliated her. People should be allowed to make mistakes when they’re 22 without becoming the object of vicious scorn the way she did.
Sorry— doesn’t hold water. When one has a position of privilege and security passes, and civil responsibility, the atmosphere and geography regarding honesty, integrity, and decorum go UP. At 21 I had the keys to the highest level of locked controlled substances in Oregon. I was EXPECTED, and rightfully so, to be 100% trustworthy. A 22 year-old woman working for the Federal Government at The White House knows which way the wind blows.Label her along with the young girls trafficked if that's what you think but Lewinsky made a mistake, the consensus came to be, but that was no excuse for the way the world humiliated her. People should be allowed to make mistakes when they’re 22 without becoming the object of vicious scorn the way she did.
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rohaan: Monica Lewinsky flirted with several upper tier White House male staff— George Stephanopolis had one of his administrative assistants order her to stop pestering him. There are several photos of her deliberately cozying up to Clinton. She is/was NOT an innocent. If we’re going to discuss these kinds of things, let’s be completely fair and unbiased.
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rohaan: Do you think if he were not a member of the royals he would not be so vilified? Just asking…you know, I had always kind of liked him, but am reading about how unkind he was to staff and peers. A little disappointing. BTW, years ago a biographer for Lady Bird Johnson hinted that she was cruel to assistants, even slapping a housekeeper was rumored. This was panned, but leaked to a few free-lancers.
(Excuse me if I sound condescending in asking— do you know what I mean by “free-lance”?)
He was kind to all the servants, why else would they all want him back(Excuse me if I sound condescending in asking— do you know what I mean by “free-lance”?)
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tomcatty: He was kind to all the servants, why else would they all want him back
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Monica Lewinsky was 22 and working at the White House when involved with Bill Clinton Probably used and abused though.