CirclipOPNottingham, Nottinghamshire, England UK826 posts
rohaan: I smarted off to you, the other day, and tried to be coy about it with the smiley icons, a bit disingenuous of me, my apologies…
The worst sin in that is disingenuity, and the only person you need apologise for it to is yourself. But you can be honest about it now, which says something. And let me say that I am quite often guilty of it myself, and it makes me feel bad about myself when I am. As for "smarting off", well I'm the last person to be able to criticize you for that. Whether you find the forum of value in helping to highlight the things about your character that you aren't happy with, I don't know, but I think it's better to discover these things about yourself here than out in the real world. I mean some people complain about the hostility and intolerance that manifests itself on this forum, but what I am saying is that there is something positive to be taken from it.
And thanks for the apology, btw, but it isn't necessary.
Circlip: I'm afraid I gave in to my triggers and said something to you the other day that I shouldn't have, Sel, and I hope I have learnt something by it.
You did?
I can't really remember ... I vaguely remember choosing to "walk away" from a post you wrote but I can't remember what it was about... I didn't feel didn't triggered by it whatever it was ...
Thanks for mentioning it ... I accept your unvoiced, implied apology ...
Circlip: I'm afraid I gave in to my triggers and said something to you the other day that I shouldn't have, Sel, and I hope I have learnt something by it.
I remember now ... It was about my premonitory dream and your suggestion that I may have caused the death of my good friend's bother through my dream which made me feel indignant and I swore in my reply. You still could not let it go and claimed it was very suspicious!
After replying to you I forgot all about it
There are many studies on the nature and the power of your dreams. I don't think murder is listed as one of the powers
Now I'm curious as to what is was that my talking about a premonitory dream actually triggered in you for it to have such an impact and what you learned from it ...
CirclipOPNottingham, Nottinghamshire, England UK826 posts
Selenite: Now I'm curious as to what is was that my talking about a premonitory dream actually triggered in you for it to have such an impact and what you learned from it ...
I was just throwing a little tantrum, and it wasn't what you said about your dream that "triggered" it, I just used that as an opportunity to get my own back for something else. It was unforgivably childish of me, and left me feeling very disappointed in myself.
The fact that it doesn't seem to have bothered you isn't the point, it's the possibility that it might have done that matters.
Circlip: What about how your actions might have had an impact on other people? Not your actions specifically, but our actions as people. And even if we can forgive ourself for some wrong we have done to someone, that doesn't necessarily relieve us of the responsibility of having done it. Isn't our first obligation to try and put right any harm we might have done to someone before we start working on finding ways to make ourself feel better about it? And isn't that, in fact, the most effective way of making ourself feel better about it? But maybe I misunderstood you, perhaps you were talking about healing the wounds of others.
I'm not saying that is how I live my life, just how I probably should live it.
Isaac Newton springs to mind :" For every action there is a reaction."
Circlip: What about how your actions might have had an impact on other people? Not your actions specifically, but our actions as people. And even if we can forgive ourself for some wrong we have done to someone, that doesn't necessarily relieve us of the responsibility of having done it. Isn't our first obligation to try and put right any harm we might have done to someone before we start working on finding ways to make ourself feel better about it? And isn't that, in fact, the most effective way of making ourself feel better about it? But maybe I misunderstood you, perhaps you were talking about healing the wounds of others.
I'm not saying that is how I live my life, just how I probably should live it.
I was talking about the step beyond making amends if at all possible. Guilt is a very corrosive 'trip'... The following step after 'making amends' and/or becoming aware, is to look inside ourself and heal what prompted our action/reaction so we don't do it again to somebody else which also means we'd be doing it to ourself...
You're obviously still angry with me about something
CirclipOPNottingham, Nottinghamshire, England UK826 posts
Selenite: I was talking about the step beyond making amends if at all possible. Guilt is a very corrosive 'trip'... The following step after 'making amends' and/or becoming aware, is to look inside ourself and heal what prompted our action/reaction so we don't do it again to somebody else which also means we'd be doing it to ourself...
Yes, guilt is awful, and we sometimes take on more than our fair share of it, but it also plays a significant part in forcing us to question the worst of our character. I agree that guilt serves no positive purpose when you are unable to change anything about the circumstances that gave rise to it, but if you are guilty of something you can't put right, I'm not sure there is much you can do about it. Or should I say, that is what I have found in my life; I can't speak for anyone else's.
Selenite: You're obviously still angry with me about something
Of course I'm not, there's nothing to angry about.
Circlip: Yes, guilt is awful, and we sometimes take on more than our fair share of it, but it also plays a significant part in forcing us to question the worst of our character. I agree that guilt serves no positive purpose when you are unable to change anything about the circumstances that gave rise to it, but if you are guilty of something you can't put right, I'm not sure there is much you can do about it. Or should I say, that is what I have found in my life; I can't speak for anyone else's.
Of course I'm not, there's nothing to angry about.
The only thing we can do about feeling guilty about something that can't be put right is to forgive ourself and be vigilant so it doesn't happen again if we can help it ...
Ok. My mistake. Thought your tone of writing sounded angry. Glad it's not so
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